Jhanak Written Update And Episode Discussion thread No 85. - Page 67

Originally posted by: AreYaar

If this is the logic you are giving, then even his convo with Arshi this week is totally justified...she EXPECTS him to share a room with her, live with her even after he confessed love for someone else....so even now so he gave her that only...simple. It's all part of his flawed character only, so phir toh kisi ko bhi koi problem nahin honi chahiye, simple

Just because someone EXPECTS something from you, you will go overboard giving empty platitudes and you yourself don't consider your words to have any value but then expect that Jhanak should believe your earnest confessions? When you render your own existence fundamentally insincere, you can't expect anything from anyone then.

You are painting a picture of Ani as a person with no fundamental integrity since day one so we shouldn't expect any now also. That's surely a different way of looking at it and I guess for me that is more fundamentally detaching. It kills all the layers and internal struggle they showed in his character all along if as per you you are saying he himself considers all his words meaningless, period

Frankly speaking, Anirudh is no more a complex, grey character atp...he was so till Kashmir track...after that he has lost most of his OG traits.. Currently he seems just a weak human being, nothing else.

Originally posted by: sowmya2407

Actually I clearly stated that the reason he gave those empty platiudes is because he wanted to manage Arshi AND he wanted to try to believe them himself....

Why?

BECAUSE HE'S IN SUCH CONFUSED AND HURT STATE, WHERE HE WAS STILL QUESTIONING HIS FEELINGS AT THAT POINT DUR TO THE FACT THAT HE WAS BRUTALLY TOLD HE WAS WRONG TO EVEN HAVE THOSE FEELINGS BY THE SAME PERSON WHOM HE HAD FEELINGS ON AND OPENED UP TO!

He didn't know to what EXTENT he can go for his love for Jhanak, especially after such a brutal setback at that point.... You can call it a form of self preservation, if you will.... Or another way to put it is taking the the most peaceful and simple way out... Or Like he accepted DEFEAT...

But now, he CAME OUT OF HIS SELF PRESERVATION MODE, after he got HA AND almost died himself ...

He completely put his heart out in the open for everyone to see... Including Arshi... And he decided to FIGHT! And he DID FIGHT very hard too....

How will they justify his dialogus now? How will they justify his DEFEAT now?

They ABSOLUTELY CANT!

In a way, you are answering your own question ....If Ani is TOLD something by others, he will fall line sooner or later to go along with it....based on your description, that is his basic characterization. So in that sense, he can become "confused" and regress at any point even if he briefly comes out of self-preservation mode as he did recently to confess his feelings for Jhanak openly to everyone.

We were wrong to presume that he is capable of sticking to the decision to fight....cuz after reading your description of his intent from the aag track, I'm getting even more clarity about why he regressed again...he cannot stick to his stance cuz he is constantly discouraged by everyone around him and as you said, he needs moral support to see his decisions through and woh toh kabhi milne nahin wala given the people he is surrounded by so he will always revert to backtracking on his words and returning to Arshi because that is what he is being TOLD to do by everyone including Jhanak....so he admitted defeat and accepted that he becomes kamzor in front of Arshi

Originally posted by: Dibya_C

I didn't watch Rab rakha...I only can tell that it is based on ichhe nodi...in eechhe nodi the ML was quite strict and never entertained the PL....but yes...Adrija character was verbally abusive there also...but physical abuse I do not remember clearly though..

Oh interesting....so Leena didn't show Adrija as physically abusive in IN? Well she is full on promoting physical abuse and violence in her two new shows for sure....Rab Rakha mein that Adrija is constantly slapping and hitting Meghla while that Meghla just makes zombie dukhiyari faces aage se chanting Didibhai Didibhai....very pathetic and dumb female with no existence other than Didi jaap.

In Durga, Leena is showing hardcore domestic violence with graphic scenes of the FL being beaten up by her abusive husband...they are showing her whole body bruised and bleeding.

Either censor board is asleep for Leena's shows or this is the new normal on ITV across the board.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

In a way, you are answering your own question ....If Ani is TOLD something by others, he will fall line sooner or later to go along with it....based on your description, that is his basic characterization. So in that sense, he can become "confused" and regress at any point even if he briefly comes out of self-preservation mode as he did recently to confess his feelings for Jhanak openly to everyone.

We were wrong to presume that he is capable of sticking to the decision to fight....cuz after reading your description of his intent from the aag track, I'm getting even more clarity about why he regressed again...he cannot stick to his stance cuz he is constantly discouraged by everyone around him and as you said, he needs moral support to see his decisions through and woh toh kabhi milne nahin wala given the people he is surrounded by so he will always revert to backtracking on his words and returning to Arshi because that is what he is being TOLD to do everyone including Jhanak....so he admitted defeat and accepted that he becomes kamzor in front of Arshi

After that kamzori dialogue, I am again and again recalling his talks with Arshi after AK shoot fiasco...Arshi main kahi bhi jau, wapas hamesha tumhare paas hi aunga🤧🤧🤧 uugggghh!!! I desperately want justification of his recent convo with Arshi!!🥴🥴

Originally posted by: AreYaar

Oh interesting....so Leena didn't show Adrija as physically abusive in IN? Well she is full on promoting physical abuse and violence in her two new shows for sure....Rab Rakha mein that Adrija is constantly slapping and hitting Meghla while that Meghla just makes zombie dukhiyari faces aage se chanting Didibhai Didibhai....very pathetic and dumb female with no existence other than Didi jaap.

In Durga, Leena is showing hardcore domestic violence with graphic scenes of the FL being beaten up by her abusive husband...they are showing her whole body bruised and bleeding.

Either censor board is asleep for Leena's shows or this is the new normal on ITV across the board.

I cannot say anything about Durga coz I didn't see it and I don't know whether it has been copied from any of her regional show..

...Regarding Ichhe Nodi, the FL's father was a strong man with very strict morale...so even if the PL tried to pull the FL down, but was being discouraged mostly by the father and in afew cases by the ML...Mother was always in favour of PL..

Originally posted by: AreYaar

In a way, you are answering your own question ....If Ani is TOLD something by others, he will fall line sooner or later to go along with it....based on your description, that is his basic characterization. So in that sense, he can become "confused" and regress at any point even if he briefly comes out of self-preservation mode as he did recently to confess his feelings for Jhanak openly to everyone.

We were wrong to presume that he is capable of sticking to the decision to fight....cuz after reading your description of his intent from the aag track, I'm getting even more clarity about why he regressed again...he cannot stick to his stance cuz he is constantly discouraged by everyone around him and as you said, he needs moral support to see his decisions through and woh toh kabhi milne nahin wala given the people he is surrounded by so he will always revert to backtracking on his words and returning to Arshi because that is what he is being TOLD to do everyone including Jhanak....so he admitted defeat and accepted that he becomes kamzor in front of Arshi

No offence yaar, but I feel like you're deliberately misunderstanding what I'm trying to say...

I'm talking about his character growth till now and how they can't just simply revert back to who he was before at the point they're in....

Especially after all they made him do since HA...And when he went to Mumbai during tumor track.

I am taking all of it as the journey to his character growth...

Now whatever they try to explain, this flip doesn't justify his journey till now ...

If they wanted to revert him back why show his character journey at all? They could've stuck to where he was before? They have been running the show like that only for the past 300+ epis....

Rest, we can agree to disagree...

Originally posted by: Dibya_C

I cannot say anything about Durga coz I didn't see it and I don't know whether it has been copied from any of her regional show..

...Regarding Ichhe Nodi, the FL's father was a strong man with very strict morale...so even if the PL tried to pull the FL down, but was being discouraged mostly by the father and in afew cases by the ML...Mother was always in favour of PL..

I found the father weak in Rab Rakha....he just gives token rebukes to Adrija but doesn't really manage to do anything much to protect Meghla from Adrija's abuse....and the mom is another dumbo....lol school teacher hoke bhi aisi bimbo hai justifying her dumb daughter's abusive harkatein blindly.

Originally posted by: sowmya2407

No offence yaar, but I feel like you're deliberately misunderstanding what I'm trying to say...

I'm talking about his character growth till now and how they can't just simply revert back to who he was before at the point they're in....

Especially after all they made him do since HA...And when he went to Mumbai during tumor track.

I am taking all of it as the journey to his character growth...

Now whatever they try to explain, this flip doesn't justify his journey till now ...

If they wanted to revert him back why show his character journey at all? They could've stuck to where he was before? They have been running the show like that only for the past 300+ epis....

Rest, we can agree to disagree...

I'm not deliberately misunderstanding....I've said before also that we both look at this track differently. You are determined to justify it but your explanations have not convinced me based on how I've viewed Ani in the time I've watched the show. That's all I tried to state.

Rest, no one here can claim to have full understanding of where Leena wants to take this. We can only give our takes based on our understanding of the characters.

Maybe you will get the answers you are looking for but I'm not expecting any such explanations for Ani's dialogues based on past track record. They will just forge ahead to the anniversary party track, otherwise Ani doesn't have much relevance in this track.

Originally posted by: sowmya2407

Thank you for clarifying....

And one thing I want to say is I'm not justifying ANI's actions by any means but trying to tell that all his behaviour during that track was completely in sync with what his character was shown to be from the beginning....

I know they're his own decisions and actions but from the start he was shown doing many mistakes because of Jhanak's behaviour and repenting later and adapting himself to the scenario too and that's what he did this time too... But this time there was a whole lot of decisions he needed to take that too unwillingly, by being duty bound in the middle of tragic circumstances....

In my pov, He simply couldn't hold the fort down at that point and I might also say he didn't have enough motivation to do so too. He simply let go and accepted the circumstances served to him BECAUSE he didn't know to what EXTENT he should go on his feelings for Jhanak...

But RIGHT NOW that's not the case... Not at all...

And If this behaviour of his was character degradation they've been continuously degrading his character, since the day he learnt about Rahul and Jhanak's relationship ... We saw how brutal he was since then on various occasions...

Or I might say his character itself was written that way... Grey, flawed, complex with severe mood swings BUT with a few core character traits intact... He can lie to others, manipulate others about anything and say anything when the situation demands it... Even ILU to Arshi, because THATS WHAT SHE EXPECTS FROM THEIR RELATIONSHIP AND HIM...

But he couldn't lie to himself and his actions always align with his truth at that particular time... And to prove to himself and everyone he's telling the truth he'll go to extreme lengths also because he HIMSELF KNOWS HIS WORDS HAVE NO VALUE...

Thats what I understood about him till now...

And in all this noone thought he is getting character degraded from the beginning of the show and actually came to love him so much, then why question him during Aag track? When he was hurt the most and his feelings were brutally thrown back on his face, won't he react? He is a grey, flawed person, after all...

Sowmya…

Absolutely get you… it’s just that within the way we read the characters and analyse them, our sensibilities creep in and we put forth our perspectives. It’s like this… you may think a certain behaviour justified and someone may not consider it as much of a mitigating circumstance…

Personally, I am also drawn to Ani’s character for practically the same reasons but when I analyse, I want to be able to also see his actions for what they were…I won’t justify the actions only because I empathise with the character. It’s like this… I understand Ani took certain measures to keep Jhanak safe but he certainly did crossed some thresholds… I am not shy of discussing that… it doesn’t matter if we are justifying it for whatever backstory, trait etc but the point is it is out there..

bold - tbh I don’t know what is it that we are discussing here? Are you asking me why I have an issue with Ani’s portrayal during the aag track? And your point being why am I having an issue if Ani’s character has been clear from the start?

I feel I have explained myself clearly. And frankly, Ani’s actions post aag vindicated my understanding of Ani. The very fact that he course corrected meant he rued his actions so what’s the anomaly ? The narrative seemed to indicate that he had some doubt but wasn’t sure so he became a bit distant from her. If you feel that his actions were justified… well I can’t counter that.. to me, the narrative became a bit loose there… coz the moment she was proved right and she left the home, they showed him regretting… My issue was that Ani even in his worst phase always looked out for Jhanak so the only reason he couldn’t have was his preoccupation with Arshi… it wasn’t necessary to show him distant or antagonistic to that extent.

It’s a difference in how we perceive the character. I am not going to argue on this further. I respect your views… but I don’t feel the need to justify beyond what I have written above. 😊

Originally posted by: AreYaar

I'm not deliberately misunderstanding....I've said before also that we both look at this track differently. You are determined to justify it but your explanations have not convinced me based on how I've viewed Ani in the time I've watched the show. That's all I tried to state.

Rest, no one here can claim to have full understanding of where Leena wants to take this. We can only give our takes based on our understanding of the characters.

Maybe you will get the answers you are looking for but I'm not expecting any such explanations for Ani's dialogues based on past track record. They will just forge ahead to the anniversary party track, otherwise Ani doesn't have much relevance in this track.

Difference in opinion for the Aag track, I can completely understand. But using that to justify the nonsense they're showing now is what I'm trying to say doesn't make sense to me...

Comparing this behaviour of his to his behaviour during Aag track.... I feel they're completely different scenarios and no ounce of his original character is left right now if they don't show a valid explanation...

Rest as we already agreed, we can agree to disagree...

I hope there's no hard feelings....❤️