General discussion thread #8 - Page 138

Originally posted by: BeingBlunt

Rofl. What a coincidence that we are talking about in an ITV forum that tried to do the same.

MB references ke bina bhi Vanshaj ban sakta tha.

MB refrences to sirf marketing ke liye rakhte hai..real me kuch nai hota. Ab vanshaj ke pandavo koi hi dekh lo...kisime koi skill hi nai hai

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Ok so my final verdict on the movie Kalli , not

VFX is very petty. Doesn't feel real at places

Story first half is very slow and actually unorganised you don't even understand what is happening and why. Deepika for example I wasn't even able to understand what is happening to her and what is she doing.

Second half story gets clear and you might understand

They only tried to garner public sentiment by bringing Puranas and Mahabharata reference. Uske bina bhi story ban sakti thi. They are repeatedly bringing that this time is Godless and believing in God is banned (then how some of them have God's chain)

Mahabharata references seem funny . Not just about the Karna glorification (which I have already explained), even otherwise they took what's app forward of Karna pushing back Arjun's rath by 3 steps while Arjun displacing Karna's by 10 and then Krishna actually explains who this enemy is, like Arjun never knew who Karna was. And they made an animated Amitabh (won't call it VFX Amitabh) for Ashwatthama war scenes. Like why?? Usse achha un scenes k liye Abhishek Bachchan ko le lete. Ashwatthama called Karna as Mitra(ab ye kab ho gaya). Also the face of Karna was same as that of Bhairava, so why did Ashwatthama need him to actually fight for Deepika to recognise? Shouldn't he actually feel resemble is face even when he saw his "Mitra's" doppelganger for first time. Also he says Vijaya Dhanush is more powerful than Gandeev. What the hell. Now Gandeev is with the villian and Vijaya will probably be used by the positive side, as I said indirectly villian being helped by Arjun.

Out of nowhere a girl gets Ashwatthama's mani and she lands onto Ashwatthama's place(heights of co incidence)

And why was the need to say there is only one God? All religions are waiting for it(resurrection, second coming, Kalki etc) I mean yes you want to have global appeal but that seemed out of place especially when this Avtar is of Vishnu and Shiva himself is a different deity. We might say they are one but obviously when it comes to avtaarvaad they have different presence.

They nicely created the mythical city of Shambhala. The only Hindus element I liked in the movie. However the chief of Shambhala was named Mariyam. Was it a reference to mother of Jesus?? Can't be sure, and Shambhala had people of all ethnicities. Many Buddhist monks, many Roman pagans, and all form their army as per their traditional warfare in modern setup.

The guest appearances were nice especially that of Rajamouli was surprising. Prabhas says that ye pakad lenge to 5 saal nhi chhodenge (reference to Bahubali series which took 5 years of Prabhas). But at the same time with so many actors they had to spend time for giving each some importance which dragged the movie...

Overall an okayish movie if you remove Mahabharata angle. Their distortion of Mahabharata made it very annoying and non linked to the epic.

Let's see how second part will be since right now Kalki isn't even born. Will they have a third movie too, or will the second movie have him grown up, but if that then how will they take it? Prabhas won't be the main lead or Kalki would be a secondary character to Bhairav/Karna?

Kamal Hasan had only two scenes as the ruler of this dystopian future, maybe second part will explore him more.

P.S. now that they have brought this Mahabharata angle, they should make Kamal Hasan's character the reincarnation of Duryodhan (quite possible since Duryodhan was the incarnation of Kali demon, who is the governor of Kaliyuga) so they can easily make the dystopian future chief as a Kali demon's another incarnation. That will have Ashwatthama and Karna fighting against a Duryodhan with Gandeev

Meri ab kalki dekhne ki iccha mar gayi hai. Ab kalki dekhna cancel.

Hotstar pe munjya aai hai vo dekhungi. Vaise bhi main maddok productions ki fan hoti Jaa Rai hu.😁

I still think that Bhairava (Prabhas) being a reincarnation of Karna was a later addition.

Because since start they were equating him with Kal Bhairava. An old man says Kashi k Bhagwan aa gaye, when Bhairav protects everyone from a falling wheel. And then the scene cuts to show Deepika's womb. Yes maybe Bhagwan hain, but the old man didn't know that, he only saw Bhairav protecting them all and called God. Kashi k Bhagwan is Shivji or Bhairav. Even Ashwatthama was shown being worshipping Shivaling throughout(if Shivji has nothing to do here, and also in Mahabharata, why did they bother bringing Ashwatthama worshipping him angle.

Isiliye I think they were comparing it there to Shivji and would have planned to bring some Ram Hanuman type connection between Bhairav Kalki, last moment par socha ki jab Mahabharata se Ashwatthama ko laaye hi Hain to kisi aur text me kyu jaayein, chalo wahin se Karna ka reincarnation le aate hain.

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Am watching Kalki right now(shayad pirated hai) on YouTube.

Boring lag raha hai

Tje first half is super draggy so I'm not surprised that you found it boring

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

The reason what made me mad was that he was being compared to Kal Bhairava the protector of Kashi

Agar Karna ka hi incarnation dikhana tha to Kal Bhairava se kyu compare Kiya

Sometimes I think Muslims are doing right by not allowing any depiction of their religious figures. At least unka is tarah mazzak to nhi banta

Even i was confused with the Kal bhairava comparison but it must've been a red herring

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Ok so my final verdict on the movie Kalli , not

VFX is very petty. Doesn't feel real at places

Story first half is very slow and actually unorganised you don't even understand what is happening and why. Deepika for example I wasn't even able to understand what is happening to her and what is she doing.

Second half story gets clear and you might understand

They only tried to garner public sentiment by bringing Puranas and Mahabharata reference. Uske bina bhi story ban sakti thi. They are repeatedly bringing that this time is Godless and believing in God is banned (then how some of them have God's chain)

Mahabharata references seem funny . Not just about the Karna glorification (which I have already explained), even otherwise they took what's app forward of Karna pushing back Arjun's rath by 3 steps while Arjun displacing Karna's by 10 and then Krishna actually explains who this enemy is, like Arjun never knew who Karna was. And they made an animated Amitabh (won't call it VFX Amitabh) for Ashwatthama war scenes. Like why?? Usse achha un scenes k liye Abhishek Bachchan ko le lete. Ashwatthama called Karna as Mitra(ab ye kab ho gaya). Also the face of Karna was same as that of Bhairava, so why did Ashwatthama need him to actually fight for Deepika to recognise? Shouldn't he actually feel resemble is face even when he saw his "Mitra's" doppelganger for first time. Also he says Vijaya Dhanush is more powerful than Gandeev. What the hell. Now Gandeev is with the villian and Vijaya will probably be used by the positive side, as I said indirectly villian being helped by Arjun.

Out of nowhere a girl gets Ashwatthama's mani and she lands onto Ashwatthama's place(heights of co incidence)

And why was the need to say there is only one God? All religions are waiting for it(resurrection, second coming, Kalki etc) I mean yes you want to have global appeal but that seemed out of place especially when this Avtar is of Vishnu and Shiva himself is a different deity. We might say they are one but obviously when it comes to avtaarvaad they have different presence.

They nicely created the mythical city of Shambhala. The only Hindus element I liked in the movie. However the chief of Shambhala was named Mariyam. Was it a reference to mother of Jesus?? Can't be sure, and Shambhala had people of all ethnicities. Many Buddhist monks, many Roman pagans, and all form their army as per their traditional warfare in modern setup.

The guest appearances were nice especially that of Rajamouli was surprising. Prabhas says that ye pakad lenge to 5 saal nhi chhodenge (reference to Bahubali series which took 5 years of Prabhas). But at the same time with so many actors they had to spend time for giving each some importance which dragged the movie...

Overall an okayish movie if you remove Mahabharata angle. Their distortion of Mahabharata made it very annoying and non linked to the epic.

Let's see how second part will be since right now Kalki isn't even born. Will they have a third movie too, or will the second movie have him grown up, but if that then how will they take it? Prabhas won't be the main lead or Kalki would be a secondary character to Bhairav/Karna?

Kamal Hasan had only two scenes as the ruler of this dystopian future, maybe second part will explore him more.

P.S. now that they have brought this Mahabharata angle, they should make Kamal Hasan's character the reincarnation of Duryodhan (quite possible since Duryodhan was the incarnation of Kali demon, who is the governor of Kaliyuga) so they can easily make the dystopian future chief as a Kali demon's another incarnation. That will have Ashwatthama and Karna fighting against a Duryodhan with Gandeev

I agree with everything except recognising Bhairav part , it has been thousands of years since MB ended and Aswathama is old he needed that jolt to recognise who Bhairav was

Yes even i hope Kali is the reincarnation of Duryodhan

I was actually expecting Bhairav to be Duryodhan and knew that everyone over here are going to hate the Karn glorification when i watched the last scene in theatre

Yeah i hope that this story ends by part 2

Originally posted by: rbpll

Meri ab kalki dekhne ki iccha mar gayi hai. Ab kalki dekhna cancel.

Hotstar pe munjya aai hai vo dekhungi. Vaise bhi main maddok productions ki fan hoti Jaa Rai hu.😁

Karna Glorification Sunte hi Mood Off ho gaya man. Can't handle another one. Already bahut hai.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C-1v4aFSluO/?igsh=MW91cG1kdG5kdmQ2NQ==

Watch this one by Maddock next. Blockbuster level. MODI Govt era (For the lack of a better world of this Time frame.) Superstar Vicky Kaushal.

No one comes close.

https://x.com/TheCineprism/status/1825890803044020619?t=ef3udN0pNk6M2i6Bm1lF7Q&s=19

Bhai behen ka interview aa gaya

https://youtu.be/CxRG4PuDMZQ?si=svzBeIdeXAGnARxk

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

I still think that Bhairava (Prabhas) being a reincarnation of Karna was a later addition.

Because since start they were equating him with Kal Bhairava. An old man says Kashi k Bhagwan aa gaye, when Bhairav protects everyone from a falling wheel. And then the scene cuts to show Deepika's womb. Yes maybe Bhagwan hain, but the old man didn't know that, he only saw Bhairav protecting them all and called God. Kashi k Bhagwan is Shivji or Bhairav. Even Ashwatthama was shown being worshipping Shivaling throughout(if Shivji has nothing to do here, and also in Mahabharata, why did they bother bringing Ashwatthama worshipping him angle.

Isiliye I think they were comparing it there to Shivji and would have planned to bring some Ram Hanuman type connection between Bhairav Kalki, last moment par socha ki jab Mahabharata se Ashwatthama ko laaye hi Hain to kisi aur text me kyu jaayein, chalo wahin se Karna ka reincarnation le aate hain.

Aap itna mat socho , Bhairav red herring was done intentionally

In that tarot card scene a sun appeared in his card (foreshadowing that he is Karna) the Kal bhairav scene comes after that to distract the audience until the end

Originally posted by: CID-fan-394

I agree with everything except recognising Bhairav part , it has been thousands of years since MB ended and Aswathama is old he needed that jolt to recognise who Bhairav was

Yes even i hope Kali is the reincarnation of Duryodhan

I was actually expecting Bhairav to be Duryodhan and knew that everyone over here are going to hate the Karn glorification when i watched the last scene in theatre

Yeah i hope that this story ends by part 2

See Karna's glorification actually humko utna bura nhi laga, as I said till the time Ashwatthama was saying it. People generally tend to feel that their side person was better. Like even if Neeraj Chopra lost we will say that it was a bad day, Nadeem ka luck tha etc. and that Neeraj is better. But why will Krishna introduce Karna to Arjun?? Yaar Karna was known to Arjun for decades (even if we go by TV versions where he wasn't trained by Drona) and as someone mahaan. Plus why would He do that? Even if Krishna was mesmerized by Karna, wouldn't be actually wait till the time Karna is killed so that Arjun doesn't get demotivated/over pressurized while fighting him (wasn't this very act by Shalya shown as key reason for Karna's defeat? Why would Krishna do the same?)

Yes I can understand 6000 years had passed. But post Mahabharata, Ashwatthama was staying in confinement, didn't see anyone at all, so I thought he should have remembered the face of his "Friend" (which in reality Karna was never of Ashwatthama. Both were close friends of Duryodhan, Karna maybe closer to him among the two but with each other they were loggerheads, fought multiple times when Duryodhan had to mediate telling them that both are very dear to him and that they shouldn't make him take sides here also if they fight each other that would mean that Duryodhan will lose.) Or at least feel like I have seen him somewhere, but maybe 6000 years is a huge time, we will never know how much people will remember post that.

@green, you really thought Bhairava to be Duryodhana?? That would have been a huge twist. Kali demon realising that he has made people so corrupt that even he can't handle his era. So he himself comes to repent by helping Vishnu avtaar with Ashwatthama.

Waise I still hope that they should get Kamal Hasan as Duryodhan.

Second part maybe tricky as they can't have Prabhas as second lead nor can they show Kalki as a second lead,.so really want to see how they will take it, I think either Kalki will remain a child and Bhairav+Ashwatthama his arms with he only killing the final Kamal Hasan or else something twisted can happen.

Maybe just like Ashwatthama killed Parikshit in Uttara's womb for him to be resurrected by Krishna, probably Kalki will be killed by Kamal Hasan in Sumati's womb,(Kalki can come onto earth only in a specific Nakshatra, if there is a delay then He will need to wait for 6000 more years) and Ashwatthama will then somehow resurrect the child using the body of Bhairava,(Bhairav might sacrifice himself for him when getting a chance either fight for Kalki or enter the complex thereby taking the side of Dharma unlike Karna) so Kalki would then use Bhairav's body. In that way we can have both Kalki and Karna by Prabhas, else it will look very poor.

BTW Nag Ashwin said that although he hadn't thought initially but seeing the public response he might consider bringing Dulqar Salman back as Parashuram. What was your opinion about his camero? Why do you think he betrayed Bhairav