Why Tere Naam was not labeled as toxic and problematic? - Page 12

Originally posted by: Romanoger

What is this argument is about if it's one? I never mentioned karma you are reading too much between the lines.

We both agree that both tere naam and animal are toxic garbage.

To each their own I am not as forgiving as you, I believe people (rowdy) who engage in unnecessary violence, harass others, do reckless driving and endanger others, deserves what's coming for them and that's not god's act but the result of their own action (quite literally). I do feel bad for their family who have suffer unnecessarily.

I clearly said I am not reading too much into it, I know you did not intend to be ableist. It is nonetheless ableist to say that he ended up in a mental asylum so that is not glorification of his bad deeds. Anyone can end in mental asylum. A good person might end up in a hospital due to street fighting/accident/not their own fault. Disabilty is not a punishment. I am not excusing violence either. So I dunno how him ending up in an asylum is a right deterrant for the audience than him rightly ending up in jail/rehabilaton

He harrassed a woman and she ended up loving him, breaking off her marriage and ultimately committing suicide for him. In that sense, the movie offers no deterrant for sexual harrassment/stalking. Rather it glorifies it as a tragic love story.

We agree on both the films are toxic. Him ending up disabled has nothing much to do with it. Anyone can end up disabled. Mental disability is also a tragic motif in Salman's filmography. Case in point : Kyonki...

It has nothing to do with Radhe being a hooligan.

Originally posted by: Blueeeee

Have to politely disagree here. The film did portray Radhe as a bad but empathy-inducing human being. You would not find Alpha male, Omicron male, Theta male subcultures applied to him. He was human unlike Testesterone Testesterone Testesterone virility virlity virility Kabir Singhs and Ranvijays. He met a bad fate i.e. ended up disabled is not karmic retribution for the stalking and sexual harrassment of Nirjara. He/logically anyone could have ended up in the same situation by getting hit by a vehicle.

Contrary, she ends up falling for him and their ends are portrayed as a tragic love story.

So while one might take away that street fighting is horrid and can only end badly; one can also take aways that forcing unwanted romantic attention on a person is okay because they will eventually see the goodness of your feelings and "love" you back.

I'm not judging the morality of the character, rather the portrayal. If we were to judge morality, then nothing would be good enough. For starters, Radhe is painted as an insecure and desperate for love alpha child (not even man).They establish that he is a jobless rowdy who is violent from the beginning only. Bhumika's character is scared of him and in fact we see resistance to his actions from her side, like she tells him she does not love him and calls him a goon and refuses to engage with him further in one scene (unlike Preeti in Kabir Singh who believes in staying mute). Also, Bhumika does not fall in love with him because he pursues her endlessly.

There is a lot of other crap that goes on with Bhumika's elder sister. Radhe saves her sister from prostitution and roughs up the husband who tortures her sister (all while not knowing she is Bhumika's sister; Bhumika gets to know this from her fiance), that makes her see him in a new light. There is a head and body to the plot that Vanga's movies lack. Bhumika, unlike Vanga's heroines, is not impressed by Radhe's machismo but his selfless nature and subsequently him saving her sister that makes her fall in love with him. Radhe also attempts to change by quitting gundagardi for Bhumika. The movie also genuinely tried to avoid glorification and showed that women aren't impressed by ultra machismo.

Of course, there are some problematic scenes like Radhe abducting Bhumika to express his feelings. But then again, this came out in early 2000s and was a product of its time. Times have changed, so has there has been greater insight into not glorifying problematic characters. But some people refuse to see.

I quite liked the movie and the songs. I also felt that the lead character gets the correct outcome in the end.

Yes I know Nirjara did not fall in love for hus machismo but for his good deeds. But the fact remains, the movie did end making it seem that his good deeds cancel out his sexual harrassment. See, he's not bad insude. Just misguided fellow who ended up in an asylum due to his past follies. One can absolutely take away that harrassing someone is okay because deep down your intentions are good, and the other person will eventually recognise your goodness.

It still is ableist. More than that, Bhoi had a phase post-Aish where he was obsessed with tragic love stories. Kyon ki... also had this motif of mental disabilty and death as the tragic end of a two love stories in fact. Jaaneman was also about a broken marriage with Bhoy being the good-at-heart-husband.

Ending up disabled is not an accurate or sensible portrayal of a problematic characters.

Originally posted by: RaniPreityAish

I like Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikandar a lot. Dil Hai Ke Manta Nahi I've actually never heard of. I'll have to check that one out now after all your high praise for it. The Aamir movie I really want to see is Raakh because I've heard that was a very experimental film, especially for the era it came out in, and as Aamir's next film after QSQT.

It's funny how many films we the public perceive to be bigger hits than they actually are. Some of these films take a life of their own after their theatrical period and develop greater followings then. Like I said, I'd never even heard of DHKMN so I wouldn't have guessed that people thought it was a blockbuster. When it comes to 90s movies, most of the films featuring the three Khans that I've seen featured one of the top heroines of the time. Their less popular movies with some of the B-List heroines I'm usually not as familiar with or in this case, haven't even heard of.

Rangeela was very revolutionary in the industry, especially with establishing Manish Malhotra. If anything hurt it, it was being overshadowed by DDLJ. I imagine DDLJ also being perceived as more family friendly was also a factor. And I know some Rangeela detractors who feel there isn't actually much of a romance between Urmila and Aamir, at least from her side.

Each song is a classic though and I agree with you that Mangta Hai Kya especially stands out from the cinematography.

Don't tell me you have not watched Dil hai ke manta nahi 😳😳😳

I mean really?

This is like one of the best romcom I have ever seen from Bollywood.. so very fresh, cute and with utmost repeat value... all of the songs are wonderful as well

Please do watch it at your earliest, available on youtube...

You will love every bit of it... guarantted

Aliaa Bhatt sister Pooja Bhatt is opposite Aamir, and this is her career's best performance.. she just aced the role of a cute spoiled brat and looks too electrifying with her screen presence.

For me Dhkmn is among Aamir's. top 3 movies.

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Originally posted by: TheJourney

Bhai ne movie release ke kuchh waqt pehle hi car thok di thi!

Karun risk leta?

Originally posted by: Deadinside

Car thoki nahi thi woh toh divider khud chal ke beech main aagya tha. Bhoi nirdosh hai. I stand with bhoi.

Divider the ex member? 🤔

and why people call bhai as bhOi here in this thread ?

what does bhOi means?

Originally posted by: sharaban

Divider the ex member? 🤔

and why people call bhai as bhOi here in this thread ?

what does bhOi means?

It's so complicated question. Answer is simple though. Bhoi sounds more appropriate and respectful for him. Bhai sounds way too abusive and disrespectful. Figure that out!

Originally posted by: Deadinside

Divider - footpath.

It's so complicated question. Answer is simple though. Bhoi sounds more appropriate and respectful for him. Bhai sounds way too abusive and disrespectful. Figure that out!

I can't figure it out

what is bhoi?

and why bhai is abusive for him

plz help me out... u made me even more confused now dead bhoi 😂

Originally posted by: sharaban

I can't figure it out

what is bhoi?

and why bhai is abusive for him

plz help me out... u made me even more confused now dead bhoi 😂