Yogi Adityanath praised the Israeli attacks on Gaza - Page 3

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India has given aid to Palestine

We can't do more than that nor are doing more than that.

We all know when Pakistan attacks us, it will be Israel standing with us and just like what Turkey did, Palestine will backstab us and support Pakistan.

Palestine has earlier too supported Pakistan and knowing them they will still support them, even if we do anything for them.

But we still provided them aid.

Idk what more people want Indian Govt to do.

thanks for the thoughtful and detailed response.

i appreciate the fact that there is a certain historical context to the Quran and that a lot of it was put together during times of war. But we cant keep falling back on that fact unless we think it is infallible and should never evolve to modern times. Other religions, many derived from the same Abrahamic traditions as Islam, have had various stages of reforms. We have also had reformers in Hinduism. Mostly, they have gotten to a point where their wars are no longer driven by religion. Some of the soldiers who have won India's highest gallantry awards in wars against Pak were Muslim...

We cant afford to have people rightly or wrongly interpret Islam, or any religion for that matter, if that leads them to kill others. If even some people interpret it in a problematical way, then shouldn't there be people who come around to reform it?

also, given the overlap with the other Abrahamic religions, why is Islam so much more violent than those religions today?

Originally posted by: BirdieNumNum

thanks for the thoughtful and detailed response.

i appreciate the fact that there is a certain historical context to the Quran and that a lot of it was put together during times of war. But we cant keep falling back on that fact unless we think it is infallible and should never evolve to modern times. Other religions, many derived from the same Abrahamic traditions as Islam, have had various stages of reforms. We have also had reformers in Hinduism. Mostly, they have gotten to a point where their wars are no longer driven by religion. Some of the soldiers who have won India's highest gallantry awards in wars against Pak were Muslim...

We cant afford to have people rightly or wrongly interpret Islam, or any religion for that matter, if that leads them to kill others. If even some people interpret it in a problematical way, then shouldn't there be people who come around to reform it?

also, given the overlap with the other Abrahamic religions, why is Islam so much more violent than those religions today?

I get where you are coming from.

Muslims spread Islam. Hindus did too, so did the others.

Back to the references in Quran on the battles. These battles were not an attack on people to convert them to Islam, Infact Islam states that God gave Mankind to make the choice and accept the belief for themselves. A belief is norn within and its not obtained by someone forcing you into it. Then it no longer represents a religious belief. The battles were because, communities from other religious groups didn't want them spreading the awareness of Islam. The wars they participated in were in self defense. That's the thing people need to understand.

Verse 5 does not say find Kaafirs and slay them. They were told, expect to be ambushed. Rake them down as captive, beseige them. It never said kill them. It also stated about letting them go.

Also one of the other versus talks about do not do anything to those of different faith who have not done anything to you or taken your rights.

It's important to understand Islam itself never promoted violence nor did it ever gave permission to attack first. What these black flag bearers are doing is not permissible in Islam.

If Pakistani Muslims come and kill you for being a Hindu, then they are sinners in the eyes of Islam too.

What is written in the Quran cannot be changed. And if you read the whole thing with full interpretation you will see that no where does it say to hurt mankind. It was a book to help people stay in harmony. The verses I wrote to you were given as guidance to protect the non Muslims, even in war.

But Politics, the Propoganda, the games and the hate is taking things from it and twisting it.

Thank you for taking the time to read.

Our objective is the same. We all want peace.

Every human has a right to live in peace.

Originally posted by: Palak2812

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India has given aid to Palestine

We can't do more than that nor are doing more than that.

We all know when Pakistan attacks us, it will be Israel standing with us and just like what Turkey did, Palestine will backstab us and support Pakistan.

Palestine has earlier too supported Pakistan and knowing them they will still support them, even if we do anything for them.

But we still provided them aid.

Idk what more people want Indian Govt to do.

I cannot expect much aid from India. India also has it's own struggles. What I can expect is just that they protest for peace. End of the day humanity means we try to save everyone and not encourage countries to think it's okay to kill innocent people.

Killing is wrong. If we can all accept that and promote peace rather than, hey that country deserves it.. then everyone will end up dying.

Originally posted by: carisma2

I get where you are coming from.

Muslims spread Islam. Hindus did too, so did the others.

Back to the references in Quran on the battles. These battles were not an attack on people to convert them to Islam, Infact Islam states that God gave Mankind to make the choice and accept the belief for themselves. A belief is norn within and its not obtained by someone forcing you into it. Then it no longer represents a religious belief. The battles were because, communities from other religious groups didn't want them spreading the awareness of Islam. The wars they participated in were in self defense. That's the thing people need to understand.

Verse 5 does not say find Kaafirs and slay them. They were told, expect to be ambushed. Rake them down as captive, beseige them. It never said kill them. It also stated about letting them go.

Also one of the other versus talks about do not do anything to those of different faith who have not done anything to you or taken your rights.

It's important to understand Islam itself never promoted violence nor did it ever gave permission to attack first. What these black flag bearers are doing is not permissible in Islam.

If Pakistani Muslims come and kill you for being a Hindu, then they are sinners in the eyes of Islam too.

What is written in the Quran cannot be changed. And if you read the whole thing with full interpretation you will see that no where does it say to hurt mankind. It was a book to help people stay in harmony. The verses I wrote to you were given as guidance to protect the non Muslims, even in war.

But Politics, the Propoganda, the games and the hate is taking things from it and twisting it.

Thank you for taking the time to read.

Our objective is the same. We all want peace.

Every human has a right to live in peace.

even if we go with your interpretation that the Quran means well, the fact remains that many Muslims themselves go off the deep end when they read it. The obvious solution to that in my mind would be to do a rewrite and expunge texts that might be leading people astray, and to tone it down. But then we have people including yourself saying it cannot be changed. What is the solution then? Why should people from other religion suffer at the hands of Islamists whether or not they have a faulty understanding of the book? See without change, there can be no evolution and advancement/ enlightenment. That imo is the fundamental tension between Islam and others, one mired in medieval era, other in more progressive ideas.

Originally posted by: BirdieNumNum

even if we go with your interpretation that the Quran means well, the fact remains that many Muslims themselves go off the deep end when they read it. The obvious solution to that in my mind would be to do a rewrite and expunge texts that might be leading people astray, and to tone it down. But then we have people including yourself saying it cannot be changed. What is the solution then? Why should people from other religion suffer at the hands of Islamists whether or not they have a faulty understanding of the book? See without change, there can be no evolution and advancement/ enlightenment. That imo is the fundamental tension between Islam and others, one mired in medieval era, other in more progressive ideas.

Birdie I agree, that people need to be educated. That's what the scholars are there for.

However an entire English full interpretation one has been done and were distributed infact free.

This is how I'm able to get more deeper knowledge to understand and share.

The last ai checked, not sure of there is an online copy.