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Originally posted by: Blueeeee

That is retcon. Anuj was intially introduced as an orphan who was adopted and then raised by GK alone after the death of the Kapadias. But that is besides the point. Pakhi is Anuj's wife's blood relation; Dimpy is his wife's own DIL. Thank you for proving my point that the wife is expected to prioritise her husband's relations but if the husband extends the same courtesy to his wife's literal children then it is seen as a con. If Anupamaa does something for Romil, Ankush, Barkha out of her own money, is it seen as leeching? Nah, that's her duty lol.

If anupama worked in X Y Z company and got that money its her money and she can give to shahs or anyone

If its from kapadiya empire its not really her money as shes not at all qualified or educated to work there

Shes crores of salary for being anuj wife only

If anupama was BE/MBA etc i do not mind her earning crores and giving to anyone on merit

She and pakhi got job in kapadiya empire because they are shahs related to anuj

Will anuj give job to 10th pass who do not know English or 12th pass as company owner if not wife and wife daughter? Will anuj give his cousin whose 10th pass no english job in kapadiya empire as full incharge like anupama?

Has NRN given job to his BE wife in infosys or Azim Premji to his wife? Are they not highly educated on own merits

In todays time no one gives family job in own company actually mostly they never work in hubby or father company at all

Why is anupama getting big big positions as owner and signining authority? Is some joke going on? How share holders allowing pakhi 12th pass to be marketing head? Is it some kitty party incharge job? Total mockery going on

Marketing is getting business and clients for company that requires lot of exp and ability. full company earnings are based on that job. Is 12th pass pakhi qualified or fit for that. You should be expert in company roducts and given presentations and resolving client query and issues etc and handle huge team of sales guys across continents(if company is in USA). Is Pakhi fit for such a job? I guess juniors will do job she will take credit(just like her mum)

Originally posted by: Blueeeee

There is not one dialogue in the show that says she explicitly or implicitly accused Anuj of killing Samar. She did say that she found it hard to face him because Samar died in an unfortunate series of events that involved him— wrong or right— I do find it hilarious how it is expected of her to prioritise Anuj's feelings while she has just lost her literal child— all the while her basic economic rights as his wife are being invalidated lol.

She said she cant stand his sight since it reminds her of the painful murder of her son. She refused to share the same space with him.

When he was publicly humiliated and thrown out of Shah House, she did Not even defend him.

She told him that it was her and Mishter Shah ki Ladaai, aap isme nahin aate.

Need one say more.

Ironically, when Kavya testified and Vanraj himself expressed possibility of him being the cause of Anuj's cliffhanger accident, was in the hospital battling, later in coma she had this unwavering trust in Mishter Shah that he wouldn't ever commit a crime. Strange.

Kavya testified against Vanraj: Episode 654, Vanraj confessed to the crime: Episode 657.

I did not like how she disrespected Anuj's affection for Samar at the Shahs. But the woman was literally expected to not mourn her child and make Anuj feel better lol.

None, just None has ever denied her grief or belittled it. None ever can, None ever will.

She is a terrible person but criticism towards her character are so misdirected lol

The character has been poorly written and the criticism is directed towards just that.

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Originally posted by: Blueeeee

My point was women are expected to leave all their baggage, individuality, and personal bonds for their marital families while über rich men spending money on his step kids with his full consent has so many moral qualifications lol.

Do we think Barkha and Adhik are correct?

Barkha is Ankush's wife who is a partner in Kapadia Industries and Adhik was raised with their daughter Saara.

So now, if Adhik or Barkha have financial needs and Ankush takes money from Kapadia Industries, there is nothing wrong, isn't it?

Furthermore, why did we NOT find it grossly wrong on Anupama to have demanded a prejentashun for a funding from Kapadia Industries which she eventually rejected on baseless grounds? I say baseless because, she found faults in an estimate and rejected the proposal.

How can biased behaviour be acceptable?

Talking of moral compass, how is absolute disregard and insult of husband's family by pseudo Maayka acceptable?

Nobody finds it an issue that a random cousin and his family shows up at the Kapadias because they are related to Anuj.

You mean the random cousin who Anuj mentioned as Maa Samaan Bhabhi who he grew up with? The Tauji (Ankush's father) who helped his adopted father set-up the business? Sure. And that should be a problem because?

Even Malti Devi is mercenary but she is hailed because she is Anuj's long lost mother who literally abandoned him.

Malti Devi did not enter into their house and life by herself did she? Also, agree that she has to first build a bond with Anuj. But that does NOT mean she should stay silent and blind to misplaced priorities and unacceptable behaviour.

She hasn't said anything that is wrong, has she?

But Dimpy aur Pakhi reh jaaye toh Anuj ke paise khatam ho jaate hain lol.

Jiss hisaab se entitled individuals "Add-on credit card" se paise uda rahi hain, woh bhi door nahin.

The problem is generalizing a specific case.

I can't stress enough, these are specifically for the character of Anupama.

There is no issue for Anupama to support whoever she wants, family, relation or otherwise, but how can it be acceptable that it comes at the cost of gross negligence of her husband and 7-year old daughter?

Ok, what is her contribution to the marriage?

Would we say the same if the roles were reversed that a rich Anupama marries a much married and divorced Anuj with children who keeps returning to his ex-wife and grown up children? Would we not have branded him with names?

Did we not call him names for supporting Maaya who was the mother of his adopted child?

Originally posted by: myviewprem

If anupama worked in X Y Z company and got that money its her money and she can give to shahs or anyone

If its from kapadiya empire its not really her money as shes not at all qualified or educated to work there

Shes crores of salary for being anuj wife only

If anupama was BE/MBA etc i do not mind her earning crores and giving to anyone on merit

She and pakhi got job in kapadiya empire because they are shahs related to anuj

Will anuj give job to 10th pass who do not know English or 12th pass as company owner if not wife and wife daughter? Will anuj give his cousin whose 10th pass no english job in kapadiya empire as full incharge like anupama?

Has NRN given job to his BE wife in infosys or Azim Premji to his wife? Are they not highly educated on own merits

In todays time no one gives family job in own company actually mostly they never work in hubby or father company at all

Why is anupama getting big big positions as owner and signining authority? Is some joke going on? How share holders allowing pakhi 12th pass to be marketing head? Is it some kitty party incharge job? Total mockery going on

Marketing is getting business and clients for company that requires lot of exp and ability. full company earnings are based on that job. Is 12th pass pakhi qualified or fit for that. You should be expert in company roducts and given presentations and resolving client query and issues etc and handle huge team of sales guys across continents(if company is in USA). Is Pakhi fit for such a job? I guess juniors will do job she will take credit(just like her mum)

Sorry to do this but cannot believe such sexism and misformation regarding this and over such pathetic characters, no less.

Women are entitled to husband's property that implies that Anupamaa has the moral and legal right to spend his money in fair transcations even if she does not generate individual income.

She might be the worst wife but it's not like Anuj renumerates her for whatever more or little labour she does in his house. Even if she cooks ten meals a month at the Kapadias, who will be willing to do that for free? So, yes, the Kapadias' money is hers as well; not only because Anuj gave her the rights but because Indian law itself entitles her to a share.

Whether Anuj did a wise thing in giving her executive powers in his business dealings or not is another thing but his money is absolutely her money.

Even government emplpyees have to update their marital statuses in official documents because the spouse— whether educated or uneducated— is entitled to their income, renumerations, pensions etc.

And nepotism is very much a part of corporate sphere, even today? How else would Anuj, (Ankush), and Malavika be billionaires at such a young age? Is every MBA from America a billionaire? It is a horrid thing but lets keep the same yardstick for everyone. You would say Anuj, (Ankush), and Malavika rightly had shares in the Kapadias' business because they were their children. If they had a fine arts degree, would their claim in their family's property have been nullified? No. Well, so does a wife have rights in her husband's property. *coughs* Neeta Ambani *coughs* owns Mumbai Indians *coughs* through Mukesh's money

https://www.thehindu.com/podcast/a-discussion-on-madras-hc-judgment-wife-can-claim-a-share-in-husbands-property-data-point-podcast/article67284100.ece

Originally posted by: Bodhianveshika

The problem is generalizing a specific case.

I can't stress enough, these are specifically for the character of Anupama.

There is no issue for Anupama to support whoever she wants, family, relation or otherwise, but how can it be acceptable that it comes at the cost of gross negligence of her husband and 7-year old daughter?

Ok, what is her contribution to the marriage?

Would we say the same if the roles were reversed that a rich Anupama marries a much married and divorced Anuj with children who keeps returning to his ex-wife and grown up children? Would we not have branded him with names?

Did we not call him names for supporting Maaya who was the mother of his adopted child?

See bruh,you generalised a case where even maa saman bhabhi was said to be a third party so lol. Yes if the role were reversed, Anupamaa spending money on her step kids would be gloried as modern yashoda. I can name five itv soaps which applauds step-mothers but only two that celebrated step fatherhood, and they are exactly a decade apart.

Generalisation is extending Anupamaa's personal flaws to her financial rights as a wife lol.

Originally posted by: Blueeeee

That is retcon. Anuj was intially introduced as an orphan who was adopted and then raised by GK alone after the death of the Kapadias. But that is besides the point. Pakhi is Anuj's wife's blood relation; Dimpy is his wife's own DIL. Thank you for proving my point that the wife is expected to prioritise her husband's relations but if the husband extends the same courtesy to his wife's literal children then it is seen as a con. If Anupamaa does something for Romil, Ankush, Barkha out of her own money, is it seen as leeching? Nah, that's her duty lol.

Anupama’s children would be Anuj responsibility if they came with Anupama at marriage time. If they considered kapadiya’s house as their own. Here Pakhi is married to adhik and lives in KM as adhik’s wife who lives there as Barkha’s brother so howcome Pakhi have right on anuj money. For Anupama’s kids anuj is just ATM. They comes to him when they need money if not they insult him. Shouts on him.

Originally posted by: Blueeeee

See bruh,you generalised a case where even maa saman bhabhi was said to be a third party so lol.

Yes and the reason has been her fraudulent activities.

It was unfair bias to ask and/or reject Barkha's funding request.

Had Anuj funded the project and Barkha would still have indulged in fraudulent activities, it would have met the same consequences.

Yes if the role were reversed, Anupamaa spending money on her step kids would be gloried as modern yashoda.

If money is the only criteria for their relationship, then, it is a relation of convenience for Anupama and her "kids" and cannot be encouraged.

There has to be respect and contribution to any relation blood related or otherwise,

I can name five itv soaps which applauds step-mothers but only two that celebrated step fatherhood, and they are exactly a decade apart.

Generalisation is extending Anupamaa's personal flaws to her financial rights as a wife lol.

Again, NONE of her rights have been restricted, only regulated and there is a reason for the regulation. Her personal flaws are impacting Financials of the company inturn impacting the employees. Her personal flaws are impacting their relations.

The actions mentioned are a consequence of their actions over a period of time.

If there are rights, there are duties too to be fulfilled and one has to bear the consequences of misuse of rights.

What's even funnier is that it is ALL rounding up to Kapadia's wealth and Anupama's or Barkha's "Rights" on it. I mean they are bad and with ALL the vices but they have property rights and can misuse it in anyway.

Let us answer the below questions:

How is she "helping" her overgrown, married kids with the wealth that she has "rights" on?

Pakhi's shopping, Shah House livelihood and Shah House Phunctions, repaying Dence Ecedemy losses (which by the by, Anupama, the Phinance Literacy expert, couldn't even find or chose to ignore), repaying breach of contract/trust of Malati Devi (now Nakul's Dence Ecedemy)?

How is 2 Godbharai of Kavya at Shah House by Anuj even justified? Anupama Giving her gold to Leela (the woman who abused her ALL her life and continues to abuse her) as a gift for Kavya's Godbharai.

Beats common sense.

So, if Anuj or Ankush had been not so well off, would Anupama still justify these acts?

If yes, then there is a fundamental problem. She does Not bother about the conditions of her new house or is unwilling to connect with them.

If no, that means she can spoil her kids rotten (more than they already are) and she will do nothing to set them right. Strange.

When will her overgrown, adult, married kids learn to earn on their own merit? When will they learn to take ownership of their actions? When will they learn to face consequences of their actions?

In short there is no justification of her actions in the garb of property rights.

Originally posted by: Bodhianveshika

The actions mentioned are a consequence of their actions over a period of time.

If there are rights, there are duties too to be fulfilled and one has to bear the consequences of misuse of rights.

What's even funnier is that it is ALL rounding up to Kapadia's wealth and Anupama's or Barkha's "Rights" on it. I mean they are bad and with ALL the vices but they have property rights and can misuse it in anyway.

Let us answer the below questions:

How is she "helping" her overgrown, married kids with the wealth that she has "rights" on?

Pakhi's shopping, Shah House livelihood and Shah House Phunctions, repaying Dence Ecedemy losses (which by the by, Anupama, the Phinance Literacy expert, couldn't even find or chose to ignore), repaying breach of contract/trust of Malati Devi (now Nakul's Dence Ecedemy)?

How is 2 Godbharai of Kavya at Shah House by Anuj even justified? Anupama Giving her gold to Leela (the woman who abused her ALL her life and continues to abuse her) as a gift for Kavya's Godbharai.

Beats common sense.

So, if Anuj or Ankush had been not so well off, would Anupama still justify these acts?

If yes, then there is a fundamental problem. She does Not bother about the conditions of her new house or is unwilling to connect with them.

If no, that means she can spoil her kids rotten (more than they already are) and she will do nothing to set them right. Strange.

When will her overgrown, adult, married kids learn to earn on their own merit? When will they learn to take ownership of their actions? When will they learn to face consequences of their actions?

In short there is no justification of her actions in the garb of property rights.

Wasting money is bad and being unethically selfish is bad. If Pakhi were wasting Vanraj's money on online shopping, that would have been equally bad. And, knowing Pakhi, she doesn't spend Anuj's money because he is her step-father and she wants to save her bio father's money. She does it because she is selfish.

Anuj is an über rich man who is choosing to spend money on his wife's (and by marriage, his) kids. He is well within his rights to do it. He can choose to castigate Pakhi, too. It's a false equivalency that these kids only stay around Anuj for money. They don't have that much depth or cunning. They are selfish and they care about only themselves. They couldn't stand up for their murdered brother either lol.

Samar, being an adult married son of upmaa, took a bullet for Anuj so yeah.

You are extending personal flaws to find mercenary ulterior motives when they are just massive personal flaws.

And bad wives or good wives, women are entitled to shares in their husbands' property. One cannot deny that without incurring a domestic violence case.

And, by definition of "rights", if a spouse has rights to money, they can choose to spend the money as far as it's transparent and taxed for. That is what property rights entail in any case.

Originally posted by: Blueeeee

Wasting money is bad and being unethically selfish is bad. If Pakhi were wasting Vanraj's money on online shopping, that would have been equally bad. And, knowing Pakhi, she doesn't spend Anuj's money because he is her step-father and she wants to save her bio father's money. She does because she is selfish.

Anuj is an über rich man who is choosing to spend on money on his wife's (and by marriage, his) kids. He is well within his rights to do it. He can choose to castigate Pakhi, too. It's a false equivalency that these kids only stay around Anuj for money. They don't have that much depth or cunning. They are selfish and they care about only themselves. They couldn't stand up for their murdered brother either lol.

Samar, being an adult married son of upmaa, took a bullet for Anuj so yeah.

You are extending personal flaws to find mercenary ulterior motives when they are just massive personal flaws.

And bad wives or good wives, women are entitled to shares in their husbands' property. One cannot deny that without incurring a domestic violence case.

Hi,

Mujhe mein bade bade discussions karne ka patience toh nahi but just want to say one thing about the bold part since it has been an irritant for me as well in the show..

I don't think her inheritance rights on Anuj's property are being questioned. But as per the show she has been shown to be a partner, a decision-maker, and a salaried person. The problem is that they have not justified it in action. Anupama had a huge gap and thus to cover it, she needs a lot to catch up and learn. That requires time and humungous effort. That effort is lacking. A lot of time goes go in catering to Shahs for necessary and unnecessary reasons..

I think any woman would be a mother first. A few days back I heard an interview from a journalist who said she ended up crying at her workplace as her son had an ear infection and she wanted to be with him. I think that's fine. It happens once in a while. It can happen to Anupama too.. But here track after track has been written to justify her role as a mother. Not just that she has been overburdened to play the role of a mother to Kinjal and Dimpy too, which was unnecessary. Their maternal families were again made to be worthless so as to justify Anupama's role as a mother. In all this, her personal and professional journey was completely neglected. I understand the frustration as a viewer wanting to witness her rise and rightfully make a position of her own and not artificially be asked to accept her capabilities and her position.... Had the writers given what they promised, which was "her journey", I don't people would have been asking these things... Although I also get that things will never get better ... So it was just an empty opinion as such..

Originally posted by: Blueeeee

Wasting money is bad and being unethically selfish is bad. If Pakhi were wasting Vanraj's money on online shopping, that would have been equally bad. And, knowing Pakhi, she doesn't spend Anuj's money because he is her step-father and she wants to save her bio father's money. She does it because she is selfish.

So, you agree that Pakhi's spending habits need to be controlled. What is Anupama doing to curb it? By giving 500 pages bhashan?

Anuj is an über rich man who is choosing to spend money on his wife's (and by marriage, his) kids. He is well within his rights to do it. He can choose to castigate Pakhi, too.

And since the other parent is Not doing anything about it, him regulating this is a way to do it. Isn't it?

It's a false equivalency that these kids only stay around Anuj for money. They don't have that much depth or cunning. They are selfish and they care about only themselves. They couldn't stand up for their murdered brother either lol.

And what else are they here for?

They used his name and influence for their business, a secret loan for their Dence Ecedemy and for their endless shopping expeditions.

Have they treated him with respect? He is Not even allowed to correct their mistakes or guide them per Vanraj, Anupama themselves and by the same children.

That's not just selfishness, that is Cunning.

Samar, being an adult married son of upmaa, took a bullet for Anuj so yeah.

Isnt this a false equivalence?

Make No mistake his ultimate sacrifice deserves the respect.

You are extending personal flaws to find mercenary ulterior motives when they are just massive personal flaws.

The personal flaws being greed and misbehaviour, sure

And bad wives or good wives, women are entitled to shares in their husbands' property. One cannot deny that without incurring a domestic violence case.

And, by definition of "rights", if a spouse has rights to money, they can choose to spend the money as far as it's transparent and taxed for. That is what property rights entail in any case.

Again, we are no legal experts, atleast i am Not. But i have read up on successful cases of husbands who have wanted to regulate wife's spending. So, if we want to get technical, by ALL means, provided we get the correct guidance.

The show does enough damage to physics, biology, mathematics, law. I am sure we do not want to add to that list.

Furthermore, within my limited understanding of law, every right is governed by reasonable restrictions and finds protection against misuse.

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