If wishes were horses.......... - Page 4

Originally posted by: Blueeeee

Wasting money is bad and being unethically selfish is bad. If Pakhi were wasting Vanraj's money on online shopping, that would have been equally bad. And, knowing Pakhi, she doesn't spend Anuj's money because he is her step-father and she wants to save her bio father's money. She does it because she is selfish.

In vanraj house pakhi was in her limits as she knew her dad is not so rich. If you remember she had a boy friend who was rich in school

Here pakhi is taking advantage bec she knows anuj is a fool and she sees her mom and family taking advantage hence she does too

Imagine ankush was her step dad she may be scared to do that as hes a strict guy. He would object to her spening like this his money. People observe can you be taken advantage off and than they take advantage. If you are mature no ononense no daughter or step daughter will take advantage

Pakhi knows anuj is scared of her mom leaving him so will never object to her or toshu anything. Shes not innocent as you say. Even in school, she was quiet cunning and knew that being close to dad and kavya would get her benefits. I think you hv not seen initial epi to know pakhi and toshu

Anuj is an über rich man who is choosing to spend money on his wife's (and by marriage, his) kids. He is well within his rights to do it. He can choose to castigate Pakhi, too. It's a false equivalency that these kids only stay around Anuj for money. They don't have that much depth or cunning. They are selfish and they care about only themselves. They couldn't stand up for their murdered brother either lol.

They are only there for money name and property of anuj kapadiya. Imagine anuj is low class or poor will pakhi come and stay at his bunaglow. She would tell adhik lets buy own house or stay with my dad.

Pakhi is not cunning you said - she wanted to have relation with adhik only because he was living with kapadiya and wanted the luxury of anuj kapadiya wealth. Or she had another boy friend before. Adhik too married her bec shes anupama daughter only so he gets share in kapadiya wealth

Pakhi and Toshu never loved Samar as sibling or family ever they ill treated him mostly in initial episodes

Samar, being an adult married son of upmaa, took a bullet for Anuj so yeah.

You are extending personal flaws to find mercenary ulterior motives when they are just massive personal flaws.

And bad wives or good wives, women are entitled to shares in their husbands' property. One cannot deny that without incurring a domestic violence case.

And, by definition of "rights", if a spouse has rights to money, they can choose to spend the money as far as it's transparent and taxed for. That is what property rights entail in any case.

I know husbands who have left wife out of will and not given her anything for whatever personal reasons

Its not a must that wife gets property pension and bank account share of hubby

A hubby can exclude wife and kids from everything that they own in will

Originally posted by: InsaneDivine

Hi,

Mujhe mein bade bade discussions karne ka patience toh nahi but just want to say one thing about the bold part since it has been an irritant for me as well in the show..

I don't think her inheritance rights on Anuj's property are being questioned. But as per the show she has been shown to be a partner, a decision-maker, and a salaried person. The problem is that they have not justified it in action. Anupama had a huge gap and thus to cover it, she needs a lot to catch up and learn. That requires time and humungous effort. That effort is lacking. A lot of time goes go in catering to Shahs for necessary and unnecessary reasons..

I think any woman would be a mother first. A few days back I heard an interview from a journalist who said she ended up crying at her workplace as her son had an ear infection and she wanted to be with him. I think that's fine. It happens once in a while. It can happen to Anupama too.. But here track after track has been written to justify her role as a mother. Not just that she has been overburdened to play the role of a mother to Kinjal and Dimpy too, which was unnecessary. Their maternal families were again made to be worthless so as to justify Anupama's role as a mother. In all this, her personal and professional journey was completely neglected. I understand the frustration as a viewer wanting to witness her rise and rightfully make a position of her own and not artificially be asked to accept her capabilities and her position.... Had the writers given what they promised, which was "her journey", I don't people would have been asking these things... Although I also get that things will never get better ... So it was just an empty opinion as such..

See, that's a perfectly good assessment and I have no issues with it. I do not like any of the characters on the show sans Rakhi and pre-baby Kavya. But, indeed, all the criticism towards either Anuj or Anupamaa involve him being allegedly henpecked despite being so much richer and hotter than her and her allegedly cheating on him by prioritising her children/Shahs and neglecting her husband. Firstly, how are those even comparable on emotional scale lol? 'Why is she spending Kapadia money on Vanraj Shah's DNA?' 'She is the third-party in Kapadia empire'. Bhai, is she not his wife? Are her own flesh and blood not his family too if he cares for her?

If the kids were Anuj's own biological kids, would she always be crucified for fussing over them? Nah. If the roles were reversed, would she be called a puppy for letting her stepkids spending money or letting her widowed step-DIL to stay with them? No, she won't.

I do detest Upmaa/the writing for being absolutely self-obsessed, an abuser, and an enabler. I do not even like how she reduces womanhood to motherhood, but she spends her husband's money on her children is not it lol

Originally posted by: Blueeeee

See, that's a perfectly good assessment and I have no issues with it. I do not like any of the characters on the show sans Rakhi and pre-baby Kavya. But, indeed, all the criticism towards either Anuj or Anupamaa involve him being allegedly henpecked despite being so much richer and hotter than her and her allegedly cheating on him by prioritising her children/Shahs and neglecting her husband. Firstly, how are those even comparable on emotional scale lol? 'Why is she spending Kapadia money on Vanraj Shah's DNA?' 'She is the third-party in Kapadia empire'. Bhai, is she not his wife? Are her own flesh and blood not his family too if he cares for her?

If the kids were Anuj's own biological kids, would she always be crucified for fussing over them? Nah. If the roles were reversed, would she be called a puppy for letting her stepkids spending money or letting her widowed step-DIL to stay with them? No, she won't.

I do detest Upmaa/the writing for being absolutely self-obsessed, an abuser, and an enabler. I do not even like how she reduces womanhood to motherhood, but she spends her husband's money on her children is not it lol

OK here is facts as per law

In 2004 supreme court said wife cannot give ancestral property or Hindu family buisness business share of step father(means anuj) to kids from other hubby (means vanraj)

If anuj wants to give property or business kids must be adopted as per law by anuj legally(which he cannot do for pakhi and toshu as they are adults)

You must understand law is different emotion are different

Kapadiya empire is anuj father established not anuj kapadiyas so he cannot give it to shahs

Kapadiya bungalow is again anuj father built cannot give to anupama or shahs

Yes ancestral house cannot go to wife only kids and grand kids (like my father cannot get my mothers parents house in his name, neither can it be transferred to my grand mom name as its ancestrol after my grandpa death. It comes straight to my mom and her siblings than will come to her and her sibling kids all property, house , business etc ). Only money can go to my grand mom

What you are saying is that after anuj death both business and property go to shahs through anupama (as you say anupama has rights)

No sorry its ancestrol property and HUF business so it goes to only anuj and malvika than their blood and adopted kids only

It will not go to anupama too (but 50% of anuj shares can be given to anupama as shes wife)

Till she is alive she can use dividend and salary thats all

But business shall not go to her as it Hindu undivided business

Dirubhai ambani companies went to mukesh and anil ambani

Mukesh ambani shares will go to his 3 kids not to nita ambani

She can as an individual use money and buy crores of reliance shares thats her wish (which most business guys wifes do to get a percentage in their hubby company) and get 50% o her hubby shares

Why Narayan Murthy and Nandan Nilkeni wife have shares in infosys is at time of founding company they have given money to company so they are shareholders from beginning they got shares ok

But anupama did not give money to start anuj kapadiya business to him or his father so she have no rights on kapadiya shares actually(except 50% of anuj shares)

Father is owner so ambani and murthy kids will get shares after their dad - its called inheritance law

If no will anuj 50% shares will go to anupama(25%) and 50% to CA(25%) and Malvika will get another 50% shares (even after NOC)

Here very wrong thing shown that anuj transferred 100% of kapadiya share to anupama after marraige

Only kids and grand kids transfer can happen as its ancestrol business and property

That is why mess created

Its not anuj own house built or anuj own company created than he can do anything he wants

Grandparent company cannot go to any sons wife it can only go to grand kids

What you say if that happens than in mughals jehangir will not become next emperor after akbar his wife will become next emperor or his daughter hubby will become next emperor is that possible?

Originally posted by: myviewprem

OK here is facts as per law

In 2004 supreme court said wife cannot give ancestral property or Hindu family buisness business share of step father(means anuj) to kids from other hubby (means vanraj)

If anuj wants to give property or business kids must be adopted as per law by anuj legally(which he cannot do for pakhi and toshu as they are adults)

You must understand law is different emotion are different

Kapadiya empire is anuj father established not anuj kapadiyas so he cannot give it to shahs

Kapadiya bungalow is again anuj father built cannot give to anupama or shahs

Yes ancestral house cannot go to wife only kids and grand kids (like my father cannot get my mothers parents house in his name, neither can it be transferred to my grand mom name as its ancestrol after my grandpa death. It comes straight to my mom and her siblings than will come to her and her sibling kids all property, house , business etc ). Only money can go to my grand mom

What you are saying is that after anuj death both business and property go to shahs through anupama (as you say anupama has rights)

No sorry its ancestrol property and HUF business so it goes to only anuj and malvika than their blood and adopted kids only

It will not go to anupama too (but 50% of anuj shares can be given to anupama as shes wife)

Till she is alive she can use dividend and salary thats all

But business shall not go to her as it Hindu undivided business

Dirubhai ambani companies went to mukesh and anil ambani

Mukesh ambani shares will go to his 3 kids not to nita ambani

She can as an individual use money and buy crores of reliance shares thats her wish (which most business guys wifes do to get a percentage in their hubby company) and get 50% o her hubby shares

Why Narayan Murthy and Nandan Nilkeni wife have shares in infosys is at time of founding company they have given money to company so they are shareholders from beginning they got shares ok

But anupama did not give money to start anuj kapadiya business to him or his father so she have no rights on kapadiya shares actually(except 50% of anuj shares)

Father is owner so ambani and murthy kids will get shares after their dad - its called inheritance law

If no will anuj 50% shares will go to anupama(25%) and 50% to CA(25%) and Malvika will get another 50% shares (even after NOC)

Here very wrong thing shown that anuj transferred 100% of kapadiya share to anupama after marraige

Only kids and grand kids transfer can happen as its ancestrol business and property

That is why mess created

Its not anuj own house built or anuj own company created than he can do anything he wants

Grandparent company cannot go to any sons wife it can only go to grand kids

What you say if that happens than in mughals jehangir will not become next emperor after akbar his wife will become next emperor or his daughter hubby will become next emperor is that possible?

Lmaaaaaaooooooooooooooooo there was this beautiful thing in 2005 called the Hindu Succesion (Amendment) Act. Whatever share a wife has, as her own property, she is free to give it anyone she likes lol if she doesn't have any legal heirs of her own. Like you said Anupamaa is entitled to 50% of Anuj's property. She owns that 50 % of property.

Given Anupamaa's kids (including Anu) are her legal heirs, they do have a right on her property irrespective of whether they have Vanraj Shah's DNA or not— as far as Anupamaa legally is their mother. Had she not adopted Anu, her 50% would have gone to Toushu, Samar, Pakhi anyway. X has a share in her husband's property, X's children have a share in her property. LOL.

In grandfather's property, grandma has a share as do his children. In grandma's property ( whether its her ancestral, earned, and/or marital property), her children have a share. When the children get married and have children of their own, their spouses and children have a claim in their share. Grandchildren are not grandparents' direct legal heirs. That is the law.

I know mothers (and fathers) who buy land in their minor son's name and act as nominee so that their daughters do not get a claim in the family property after marriage lol. Because by law, only children and spouses have inheritence rights. Siblings, cousins, grandchildren, xyz don't. Wives are not 'third parties'; rest of the world is.

Anuj can only transfer his shares of Kapadia empire to his spouse unless Malavika gave him an NOC upon reaching adulthood and made him the sole inheritor. If she made him the sole inheritor, then he owned the entire thing and gave it to his wife. Many married women do that in India for their brothers. They absolutely shouldn't. Even then, it doesn't change the fact that Anupamaa has legal claims in to Anuj's money lol. She can happily spend that money as far as it's taxed.

It's not like Anupamaa funnels Anuj's money into an offshore account to spend on her kids behind his back. Anuj, an über rich man, with his own consent, chooses to spend money on his wife's kids because his wife's family = his family. As women are taught that husband's family is their family.

Mughals did not have primonigeture, and any given prince had many half-siblings, step-siblings to compete for the throne. Jahangir was rebelling against Akbar before his death, married his commander's widow, gave her de facto powers so much so that she had coins struck in her name, adopted her daughter from her first marriage and made her the princess of the Mughal empire. She was even married to one of his sons from another wife lol. Google Nur Jahan and Ladli Begum. To use your words, Mughal Emperor Jahangir was henpecked.

Anuj is not an emperor, we do not live in history where people fight and scheme for the throne. We live in a democratic country in a modern world. Anuj and his family are fictional characters who are citizens of a modern democratic country and have inheritence laws that apply to them lol.

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