TERE BIN - Yumna Zaidi-Wahaj Ali DT #144 - Page 93

Originally posted by: hypnotoad

Until yesterday I thought MR was a hook to create MR/no MR suspense which they will reveal in the final episode through a FB or conversation.

But watching the episode today, esp. Merub and MK actions/reactions - I found myself getting confused. On one hand, it seemed possible that MR actually happened but there are also counter-arguments.

I would like to hear if others have any thoughts or became confused like I did.

Merub's action/reaction

Merub showed no guilt, remorse, shame for having disappeared for 2 years and hiding the baby from her birth father. She made no apologies nor was she asked to make any apologies. Her attitude towards MK - the stony expression when he asks her to sit next to him. Her laying down conditions for staying with MK.

For MR: It all seemed like someone who had a reason to be angry and who feel justified in their stand-offish attitude.

Against MR: Merub was always the type who did not admit her mistakes - nor was she shown to be particularly repentant about not informing friends and family for 2 years about her well-being at least. Also, if it was MR, why name your daughter Meesam? What of those spoken dialogs (not voice overs) in previous episodes about inflicting this saza on herself or her praise for MK or her longing? Merub was also shown as someone who never really forgave Wakas and Anila for that one time they did not open their door, despite their repeated attempts at reconciliation or their support for her later. Then how can she forgive MK?

Murtasim's action/reaction

MK cried and knelt on his knees for `maafi'. It wasn't once. He said it multiple times that he is sorry and to forgive him. He was begging Merub to sit next to him to talk. He said he has changed - he does not get angry nor does he have the `zid' and `akad' anymore, and that he is willing to do anything Merub wants him to if only she does not leave him.

For MR: These are the kind of things one would say or do if they have guilt, shame, if they feel they have committed a serious offense. For Merub ran off after consensual sex, for what mistake he wants forgiveness. What sin is he atoning for?

Against MR:

Either MK is so broken - like children in dysfunctional homes who feel that if they are on their best behavior, their parents will not divorce - that he would do anything for her not to leave him. Or they are insinuating he has reached the seventh stage of ishk where he has completely annihilated his self, his ego and only being Merub matters. This seventh stage of ishk is also called maut (Death). In the final stage of love, the self identity is completely lost. Here the existence of lover depends on the existence of beloved. There is no turnaround. The final end of a love story either from both the lover or the boy as he believe he can’t exist without her.

no time or mind frame for a serious discussion today.

Thodi si baimani hi tau ki thi

H

TB belonged more to H than to MK and MB.. right from frame 1 we knew she wanted MK and she did not falter and saw no lines which others saw clearly.. you could say she was delusional she was not.. hers according to her was pure love which will not only destroy others but also self in pursuit of that love … was it love for power, belonging to a home, belonging to a person.. an orphan who was given shelter at a very young age..yearns deeply but for what??

the last lines uttered were very powerful.. yeh mera ghar hai .. main is ghar ki malkin hoon… a deep desire to belong to someone and call some abode their home from where she can go back and never leave.. a deeply flawed individual but craving for a simple thing of belonging.. belonging to MK meant she not only has a home but also finally could have someone of her own.. self respect was not one of her concern and therefore she crosses every line in that pursuit… does she take moment to think …. No… she is a few steps ahead each time.. the line where she says I wish ME had come after nikaah was very telling of that sentiment…

When your own self respec is of no meaning then others certainly holds no value.. respect for yam/ her safety/ child safety/ nothing stands her way…her deep desire is above every thing . She never had anyone and she does not have anyone to fight her wars .. she is going to all the battles alone and she was a worthy oponent as no one knew how far she could go or how low…

it was a very meaty role and someone who had years of experience would have been able to show all the vulnerabilities and nuances … SF has just started and she was opposite two amazing souls who don’t even need words to get their words across…

the heartache was genuine but could not be felt .. mohabbat baimani se Nahi milti… dekh le phir se tera haath khali hai .. tere aasoon koi Nahi pauchega …

Akhir woh hi tau rahi Teri bin ( MK ke bina)

Seriously! I can’t take any more of that dumb foolery. Also, look at what Tere Bin has done to me… making me use words like “dumb foolery” in the first place. Tch tch.

Originally posted by: ddppkkrr

How much more dumb can MK and MB get if they continue to believe Haya in S2

Originally posted by: hypnotoad

Until yesterday I thought MR was a hook to create MR/no MR suspense which they will reveal in the final episode through a FB or conversation.

But watching the episode today, esp. Merub and MK actions/reactions - I found myself getting confused. On one hand, it seemed possible that MR actually happened but there are also counter-arguments.

I would like to hear if others have any thoughts or became confused like I did.

Merub's action/reaction

Merub showed no guilt, remorse, shame for having disappeared for 2 years and hiding the baby from her birth father. She made no apologies nor was she asked to make any apologies. Her attitude towards MK - the stony expression when he asks her to sit next to him. Her laying down conditions for staying with MK.

For MR: It all seemed like someone who had a reason to be angry and who feel justified in their stand-offish attitude.

Against MR: Merub was always the type who did not admit her mistakes - nor was she shown to be particularly repentant about not informing friends and family for 2 years about her well-being at least. Also, if it was MR, why name your daughter Meesam? What of those spoken dialogs (not voice overs) in previous episodes about inflicting this saza on herself or her praise for MK or her longing? Merub was also shown as someone who never really forgave Wakas and Anila for that one time they did not open their door, despite their repeated attempts at reconciliation or their support for her later. Then how can she forgive MK?

Murtasim's action/reaction

MK cried and knelt on his knees for `maafi'. It wasn't once. He said it multiple times that he is sorry and to forgive him. He was begging Merub to sit next to him to talk. He said he has changed - he does not get angry nor does he have the `zid' and `akad' anymore, and that he is willing to do anything Merub wants him to if only she does not leave him.

For MR: These are the kind of things one would say or do if they have guilt, shame, if they feel they have committed a serious offense. For Merub ran off after consensual sex, for what mistake he wants forgiveness. What sin is he atoning for?

Against MR:

Either MK is so broken - like children in dysfunctional homes who feel that if they are on their best behavior, their parents will not divorce - that he would do anything for her not to leave him. Or they are insinuating he has reached the seventh stage of ishk where he has completely annihilated his self, his ego and only being Merub matters. This seventh stage of ishk is also called maut (Death). In the final stage of love, the self identity is completely lost. Here the existence of lover depends on the existence of beloved. There is no turnaround. The final end of a love story either from both the lover or the boy as he believe he can’t exist without her.

Murtasim’s maafi/begging today with folded hands, him begging Meerab to sit next to him and not initiating much physical contact, in ep 47 walking out of room with shawl lowered, breaking the mirror, dialogue to Bakhtu about apne aap ko lootna and then asking him to keep these secrets to himself, telling Haya he knows why Meerab left, Meerab distraught and holding her belly walking in the streets, Murtasim’s last dialogues about andar ka janwar, qayamat, mujhse daro which foreshadowed his future hateful act all support MR

I, too, thought it was a hook but now I know it wasn’t

Meerab naming kid Meesam or saying nice things about Murtasim doesn’t negate MR. Remember she is a chauvinist writer’s weak female lead. Nooran said one forgives all in love. Meerab already loved Murtasim when he raped her. Kamzor Meerab was sad enough to leave but could never get angry enough to hate him for rape because she was in love.

Originally posted by: Rumi23

Thodi si baimani hi tau ki thi

H

TB belonged more to H than to MK and MB.. right from frame 1 we knew she wanted MK and she did not falter and saw no lines which others saw clearly.. you could say she was delusional she was not.. hers according to her was pure love which will not only destroy others but also self in pursuit of that love … was it love for power, belonging to a home, belonging to a person.. an orphan who was given shelter at a very young age..yearns deeply but for what??

the last lines uttered were very powerful.. yeh mera ghar hai .. main is ghar ki malkin hoon… a deep desire to belong to someone and call some abode their home from where she can go back and never leave.. a deeply flawed individual but craving for a simple thing of belonging.. belonging to MK meant she not only has a home but also finally could have someone of her own.. self respect was not one of her concern and therefore she crosses every line in that pursuit… does she take moment to think …. No… she is a few steps ahead each time.. the line where she says I wish ME had come after nikaah was very telling of that sentiment…

When your own self respec is of no meaning then others certainly holds no value.. respect for yam/ her safety/ child safety/ nothing stands her way…her deep desire is above every thing . She never had anyone and she does not have anyone to fight her wars .. she is going to all the battles alone and she was a worthy oponent as no one knew how far she could go or how low…

it was a very meaty role and someone who had years of experience would have been able to show all the vulnerabilities and nuances … SF has just started and she was opposite two amazing souls who don’t even need words to get their words across…

the heartache was genuine but could not be felt .. mohabbat baimani se Nahi milti… dekh le phir se tera haath khali hai .. tere aasoon koi Nahi pauchega …

Akhir woh hi tau rahi Teri bin ( MK ke bina)

Originally posted by: Kiwicy

They haven't lost their plot. This was their plot.

NM wrote what she wanted..siraj removed what he couldn't understand. Yumhaj understood their characters according to them. And they aced those scenes. When it came to collective thinking it was nowhere to be seen.

Producer wanted money. So he dragged episodes by making editors do their job. So according to them everything is happy and they fulfilled everything.

It was their Masterpiece you know. 🤷🤷They found a new meaning to that word.

I’ve stopped expecting logic and sense - perhaps too many itv shows. I only watched for the leads and they were fire 🔥- hated Haya and she got way too much story but that’s why we can skip entire episodes 😊

Originally posted by: hypnotoad

Until yesterday I thought MR was a hook to create MR/no MR suspense which they will reveal in the final episode through a FB or conversation.

But watching the episode today, esp. Merub and MK actions/reactions - I found myself getting confused. On one hand, it seemed possible that MR actually happened but there are also counter-arguments.

I would like to hear if others have any thoughts or became confused like I did.

Merub's action/reaction

Merub showed no guilt, remorse, shame for having disappeared for 2 years and hiding the baby from her birth father. She made no apologies nor was she asked to make any apologies. Her attitude towards MK - the stony expression when he asks her to sit next to him. Her laying down conditions for staying with MK.

For MR: It all seemed like someone who had a reason to be angry and who feel justified in their stand-offish attitude.

Against MR: Merub was always the type who did not admit her mistakes - nor was she shown to be particularly repentant about not informing friends and family for 2 years about her well-being at least. Also, if it was MR, why name your daughter Meesam? What of those spoken dialogs (not voice overs) in previous episodes about inflicting this saza on herself or her praise for MK or her longing? Merub was also shown as someone who never really forgave Wakas and Anila for that one time they did not open their door, despite their repeated attempts at reconciliation or their support for her later. Then how can she forgive MK?

Murtasim's action/reaction

MK cried and knelt on his knees for `maafi'. It wasn't once. He said it multiple times that he is sorry and to forgive him. He was begging Merub to sit next to him to talk. He said he has changed - he does not get angry nor does he have the `zid' and `akad' anymore, and that he is willing to do anything Merub wants him to if only she does not leave him.

For MR: These are the kind of things one would say or do if they have guilt, shame, if they feel they have committed a serious offense. For Merub ran off after consensual sex, for what mistake he wants forgiveness. What sin is he atoning for?

Against MR:

Either MK is so broken - like children in dysfunctional homes who feel that if they are on their best behavior, their parents will not divorce - that he would do anything for Merub not to leave him. Or they are insinuating he has reached the seventh stage of ishk where he has completely annihilated his self, his ego and only being with Merub matters. This seventh stage of ishk is also called maut (Death). In the final stage of love, the self identity is completely lost. Here the existence of lover depends on the existence of beloved. There is no turnaround. The final end of a love story either from both the lover or the boy as he believe he can’t exist without her.

I don’t want to get into the MR or no MR as we don’t have full clarity on it and that was not shown.

I initially thought he was apologizing for thinking that she ran off with Rohail and not waiting for her and agreeing to marry Haya after all the ishq dialogues. With TB we get so many disjointed scenes that we don’t know some of the conversations that happened. They showed the ishq fb so I connected with that. Meerab never apologizes for her wrongs.

But this is NM and Siraj so who knows, unless someone gives us a clear explanation we won’t know.

Murtasim is creating a nursery for Meesam within hours of knowing her and seeing her for the first time?

Hahahahaha

1 year old Meesam who knows nothing other than her mom and now is in a strange place in a strange home will sleep in this nursery?

No you dumb ass. This is not how this works. Keep sleeping on that damned sofa.

Originally posted by: WanderingWonder

Seriously! I can’t take any more of that dumb foolery. Also, look at what Tere Bin has done to me… making me use words like “dumb foolery” in the first place. Tch tch.

Yeah, it doesn’t help we also don’t get any continuity or closure. From Meerub willingly hugging Anwar and crying we have to assume she knows Waqas is dead.

Last epi was dedicated to Murtasim and his daughter.

He's been mute since Meerab left - accepting all of behata's lies and MB's blatant manipulation...therefore he just continued with what he did best..stayed mute.. 🤣

It would've been a bit awkward being lovey dovey with someone who's been away for 2years...nck eit h a surprise and that too in the midst of a nikah...

If they're heading for Sn 2 then the ending was fine I think.

Wahaj emoting with his eyes is the best... he doesn't have good dialogues anyway when behaya is in the same frame...😆

MB shouldn't be forgiven.