Katha Ankahee -- #daily episode discussion thread - Page 91

Originally posted by: naq5

the FL has a majboori to do it for her sick son. the ML has no compulsion to do it if he is not feeling ok. 1 cr to kho hi raha hai. ab apni izzat bhi kho de & do forced sex when he dosent want to? he can just give her the 1cr n walk away

there is no such thing as a free lunch -- that was his mad point when he flippantly made the offer.

Originally posted by: mango.falooda

well he does not have the information does he? it is not like katha told him why she needs the money and what is her need? so how can he possibly distinguish her as different from any other woman who hit on him or was trying to climb up the ladder? if he knew and he took advantage, then yes, she is a victim.

but in this case, it falls into the grey because she is choosing to spend the night. a man might hit on a woman and she can say 'no' or 'yes'. here she said 'yes' and we know why but he doesn't. as far as he knows, this is consensual.

so it is a grey story because it is essentially a man and woman choosing to spend the night together for cconnocojdthe usual reasons. they are coming into it owith different motivations and that is what we were discussing as kshitu noted. this is not going to be black and white story with clear answers. so we will be looking at motivations and world views to understand why these characters are making thethchoices they are and then form our own e reactions.

She is the victim of his judgement not lust

And think of it in this way had she asked Ehsaan for loan he would not have asked such thing right

So the fact that she was hiding the truth does not matter here.

Whatever be the case she had to sleep with him bcoz he kept that condition and did not back out

It's not the case that i m saying that I would not want them to end up together if he is in deep guilt later

But at this moment I don't like the fact that he is portrayed as victim more(in the precap i meant ).

I can understand that this is done to show him in good light but jyada katha ka pain h ye dikhana chahiye

Also abhi itna sad feel krte Vian ko dikhayenge to baad me kya dikhayenge jab actually he will learn the truth

Wow the lyrics actually match their situation! And that tango is woww!!

Originally posted by: Ssp123

Sorry but i disagree

Katha and only Katha is victim ,Vian had the option of backing out Katha did not have that option

Plz stop portraying Vian as victim kisi ne gunpoint pe nhi bola usko ONS krne

Vian ko victimize Krna band kro plz.

You know what option did he have in this circumstance Katha k mooh pe paise maar k insult krne ka that ye lo gold digger i m not interested in touching you.

That would also have been a test right

This whole thing of he is not ons type guy can not dhulify his act with washing powder nirma .

Without guilt and redemption he doesnt deserve katha

Oh hell No! No one I think is victimizing him, except maybe he himself is trying to gaslight himself at worst or is going through his own confusion at best. The discussions here are around his confusion, in fact from the beginning we have said he is an immoral MCP.
Him not having committed an ONS before does not redeem him, no way, it only adds a layer to his confusion.

He makes an interesting character, but definitely not a desirable one. The path from confusion to redemption is not a straight line at all. He is an arsehole, the question remains when things come to light, which they always will, no matter how much he has gaslit himself into thinking he is in darkness, will he be able to accept it or not? Will he then break his ego and seek forgiveness for his actions.

I think most of us are feeling that way. Absolutely some of us can take a stance, he should be never forgiven even when things come to light, for we must expect better from our heroes. And there is nothing wrong with that thought either. But that is the culmination of it all, the journey is what is making it interesting. After all, a hero can be an arse with his actions but confused in his thoughts. Just like a heroine can be desperate in her actions but strong willed in her thoughts.

Originally posted by: mango.falooda

well he does not have the information does he? it is not like katha told him why she needs the money and what is her need? so how can he possibly distinguish her as different from any other woman who hit on him or was trying to climb up the ladder? if he knew and he took advantage, then yes, she is a victim.

but in this case, it falls into the grey because she is choosing to spend the night. a man might hit on a woman and she can say 'no' or 'yes'. here she said 'yes' and we know why but he doesn't. as far as he knows, this is consensual.

so it is a grey story because it is essentially a man and woman choosing to spend the night together for not the usual reasons. they are coming into it with different motivations and that is what we were discussing as kshitu noted. this is not going to be black and white story with clear answers. so we will be looking at motivations and world views to understand why these characters are making the choices they are and then form our own reactions.

Very well put M... You have put out everything I was not able to put in words... This is a grey story of two persons blinded by their own mindset and their life struggles... Ml is not right and so is katha by hiding her son's illness.. Ml more at fault though.His thought process is wrong. He generalize every women in same category and judge them... So his redemption is what we are waiting for.... Now he is not the hero.. But can he be a hero later by changing him is what time will tell.

Originally posted by: columbia

Oh hell No! No one I think is victimizing him, except maybe he himself is trying to gaslight himself at worst or is going through his own confusion at best. The discussions here are around his confusion, in fact from the beginning we have said he is an immoral MCP.
Him not having committed an ONS before does not redeem him, no way, it only adds a layer to his confusion.

He makes an interesting character, but definitely not a desirable one. The path from confusion to redemption is not a straight line at all. He is an arsehole, the question remains when things come to light, which they always will, no matter how much he has gaslit himself into thinking he is in darkness, will he be able to accept it or not? Will he then break his ego and seek forgiveness for his actions.

I think most of us are feeling that way. Absolutely some of us can take a stance, he should be never forgiven even when things come to light, for we must expect better from our heroes. And there is nothing wrong with that thought either. But that is the culmination of it all, the journey is what is making it interesting. After all, a hero can be an arse with his actions but confused in his thoughts. Just like a heroine can be desperate in her actions but strong willed in her thoughts.

Honestly I think he should be forgiven but for that only more importance should be given to his guilt later .

I m disappointed with the precap which is shown keeping in mind the Indian audience bcoz abhi wo itni jldi itna guilt dikhayega without actual reason jaane to dimaag me aayega hi na ki he had the option of backing out why regretting afterwards

Isse better to isko angry hi rkhte for few days

Originally posted by: Ssp123

She is the victim of his judgement not lust

And think of it in this way had she asked Ehsaan for loan he would not have asked such thing right

So the fact that she was hiding the truth does not matter here.

Whatever be the case she had to sleep with him bcoz he kept that condition and did not back out

It's not the case that i m saying that I would not want them to end up together if he is in deep guilt later

But at this moment I don't like the fact that he is portrayed as victim more(in the precap i meant ).

I can understand that this is done to show him in good light but jyada katha ka pain h ye dikhana chahiye

Also abhi itna sad feel krte Vian ko dikhayenge to baad me kya dikhayenge jab actually he will learn the truth

I agree that he is mad for making such an offer. it is indecent but what sets this story apart is that it is her choice. she is not a victim. she makes the choice not to tell him what is behind her request. she told the bank her sob story, she told the NGO and even strangers on the internet. but she refrains from telling him and lets him come at a bad conclusion about her. she was spitting mad when he made the offer and then comes back and jsut says 'yes' -- what is he supposed to think? if she had come in and explained, the dynamics would have changed.

while certainly unpleasant, she makes this choice for herself and her family. she chooses not to tell him what is driving her and so she also puts him in a corner in a way. because of his bias, he is even more terrible at reading a woman.

I have watched the original and she struggles with guilt because she owns the choice she made. so she does not blame him but feels bad that she made the choice herself as an independent woman. not all choice we make is pleasant or fun.

also, we have no idea what is driving his flawed judgement and why he is reacting the way he is. he will not be randomly redeemed because he feels like an a**hole. no, it has to be more than that. he has to change his world view. here, viaan is a wounded animal roaring back. there are lots of nuances that point to it (especially as it is based on 1001 nights) and so we will certainly have mixed feelings while watching. like I said before, this drama is not a black and white neatly packaged love story. it is a grey story. there won't be any right or wrong answers in a typical way.

I don’t think the precap is showing him as a victim, it is a window into his confusion, his expectations vs his actions; his choices vs the consequences

As for her, Katha is not his victim, she is a victim of circumstances. And eventually she has made the choice because she is in a desperate state. But she has remained strong willed and clear about her expectations, actions, and consequences.

That is the difffenece between the two of them. He is no “bechara” in his confusion, if anything it is post ONS, that he will become an emotional fool. She is a “bechari” of circumstances and if anything post ONS, she will have come stronger emotionally.

Waise not sure if I should post it here but whoever watched the original do u think they will keep Ehsan wala track here as well

Originally posted by: Ssp123

Honestly I think he should be forgiven but for that only more importance should be given to his guilt later .

I m disappointed with the precap which is shown keeping in mind the Indian audience bcoz abhi wo itni jldi itna guilt dikhayega without actual reason jaane to dimaag me aayega hi na ki he had the option of backing out why regretting afterwards

Isse better to isko angry hi rkhte for few days

OK I may actually be in minority, but I am not very sure if he should be forgiven, unless he is driven on burning coals too. In the sense, we must recollect the emotional state and the helplessness Katha was in before ONS, unless and until he goes through that same desperation, that same emotional state, it will never be enough for me, personally.

While your point about indian audience is well taken, I do think we should applaud Sony for being presumptuous about the intelligence of our audience. Yes, we may not get TRPs but you know what, if they do continue to go down and build nuance complex characters, who knows they will slowly find their niche audience. After all, while we may have an audience who only watches 2 women fighting over one man, we have an audience or build an audience to think beyond those stories.