Regressive films - Page 4

I quoted wrongly..my bad

Simmba and all similar masala films, where rape of a sister character leads to the hero's transformation. Simmba happily harasses all townsfolk, going as far as kidnapping a teenage school girl. But as soon as the villain rapes Simmba's sister, Simmba sees the error of his ways. Funnily enough, the villain deserves punishment but our hero's penance is one slap by the teenage girl 's father.

While the actual female character's entire role is delivering tiffin boxes and passive aggressive flirting with the lead. 😆

Originally posted by: pathaka

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And I’ll even mention kal hi na ho here …it’s not as problematic but why does aman HAVE to find Naina someone else to love in his absence? Why does he have to play good in their lives and manufacture their relationship ? Can’t he just let things be and rohit and naina will eventually maybe get together once naina is over him?
no….he has to get her married asap like it’s a national crisis while she’s bawling her eyes out coz her first love is dying ..,,

Let . Women . Breathe …

Why the urgent shaadis when they are not in the mood?

When Aman entered Naina's life there still was hope that he would get a new heart but then he quickly learned that he may die sooner than later. Yet, both had already fallen in love to each other. So, Aman knew that Naina would be a widow rather soon. I think, he thought it would be selfish to give way to his love for Naina by admitting it openly. He knew that Rohit (Saif's role) loved Naina, too. It was just a matter of making him serious in persuing this love (Rohit still was rather immature, still a boy-man). I think, Aman just wanted Naina to be safe and respected. I did not find this thinking regressive...and as an "angel" this time, he had to be selfless this time (but he "claimed" Naina for himself in all future lives...).

I assume that the mindset that goes with patriarchy doesn't want to give autonomy to women (it's a threat to men's power), therefore an abundance of regressiveness in Indian movies.

Originally posted by: Clochette

When Aman entered Naina's life there still was hope that he would get a new heart but then he quickly learned that he may die sooner than later. Yet, both had already fallen in love to each other. So, Aman knew that Naina would be a widow rather soon. I think, he thought it would be selfish to give way to his love for Naina by admitting it openly. He knew that Rohit (Saif's role) loved Naina, too. It was just a matter of making him serious in persuing this love (Rohit still was rather immature, still a boy-man). I think, Aman just wanted Naina to be safe and respected. I did not find this thinking regressive...and as an "angel" this time, he had to be selfless this time (but he "claimed" Naina for himself in all future lives...).

I assume that the mindset that goes with patriarchy doesn't want to give autonomy to women (it's a threat to men's power), therefore an abundance of regressiveness in Indian movies.

the idea should have been aman teaches her to stay positive in life …or inspires her to get out of her negative self pity chain of thought …rather than give her a relationship …

I’m not saying naina shouldn’t have gotten married to rohit …they probably would have in a few years anyway

I just don’t understand the need to marry rohit when she’s so emotionally volatile and clearly not over aman yet and is crying like a baby during her entire wedding …..let her spend the last few days with him , process his death , heal and then perhaps look at starting a new relationship and marriage

Aman almost designs her courtship and proposal from rohit, knowing very well that she’s dealing with a heartbreak …and even when she knows abt the truth, any normal girl would at the very least postpone her wedding to stabilise herself and deal with the news

This urgent need to show aman that she is in “safe hands” is unnecessary and a regressive thought …if she believed in Amans words she would have imbibed his positive outlook and that should have given him enough confidence
To know that she will be ok and take care of herself

…he dosent need to see her hand in rohits especially when she’s clearly not ready / emotionally stable post the heartbreak yet

Naina did NOT cry "during her entire wedding" and Aman did not confess his love to her...so he could assume the task he was given at the beginning of the movie.

I wonder how you imagine that a dying man (a stranger to Naina) could give a positive approach to a future life without his comforting love to a girl grown up like Naina...in some weeks. Maybe, he would have been forced to try it but there was Rohit with enough positive approach to a life with Naina...with even an honest wish...although I think, the more volatile was him in the relation ... he was already imagined as future husband before Aman came... fortunately not in a way of an arranged or forced marriage.

Eventually Naina just wanted Aman but obviously not enough to fight off ALL changes of mind...

- movies that glorify forced marriage

- movies that portray stalking/persistence as romance

- movies that put virginal, submissive, and pious women on a pedestal as the ideal woman

- movies that shame women for being sexually active, career-oriented, drink, or wear revealing outfits

- movies that create false dichotomies like Madonna/Wh0re, rural vs urban, east vs west

- movies where women are reduced to flower pots

- movies that are rape revenge dramas that fridge women and justify extrajudicial activity

99% of the movies favoured by the launde lapate crowd and they get mad at any movies that aren’t catered towards them or centering their interests .

Some interesting discussion about Kal Ho Na Ho.

I don't find it regressive or problematic. I may be biased here because I love that movie.

Aman's behavior is quite normal for people with a terminal or potentially terminal illness. Many people who are dying can develop an overzealous zest for life where they are hyper and positive about everything. They're racing against time and trying to make the most of it.

Similarly, they also have a need to see their loved ones happy and taken care of when they are gone. Dying people will encourage their partners to date and find someone to be with. They may plead for siblings, and children, to get married sooner than later so they may see them married because they pass on. I do think this behavior is problematic because it ignores the free will of other people and emotionally blackmails them. That is why it is recommended to seek end-of-life grief counseling so that people can navigate their need to see everyone settled in a healthy manner.

I don't think Naina loses her free will in any way though. And this is what I like about Kal Ho Na Ho - love comes in different forms and isn't always a sweeping romance.

Naina and Rohit were clearly attracted to each other. There was light flirting and Naina was clearly jealous of him giving attention to other women. Had Aman not shown up, the friendship may have naturally blossomed into romance. Their dynamic was very Monica and Chandler esque.

Aman and Naina are the kind of romance people often desire - meeting a stranger who can sweep you off your feet. Naina falls for Aman because for the first time he brings some harmony to her family. Aman falls for Naina because she's the girl next door and gives him a sense of purpose in hs dying days.

Ultimately, Aman is just a catalyst to Rohit and Naina's relationship. He merely nurtures the existing sparks to grow into something more. Rohit and Naina are seemingly genuinely happy together. Their engagement takes place organically too.

When they find out Naina is upset because Aman denied her the choice, Rohit too is upset because he feels that he didn't genuinely win her over. They don't go on with the wedding to appease a dying Aman. They go on with it because they did enter into a happy fulfilling relationship. They're just mad that their relationship wasn't as organic as they thought it was and obviously upset about losing a dear friend.

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

Some interesting discussion about Kal Ho Na Ho.

I don't find it regressive or problematic. I may be biased here because I love that movie.

Aman's behavior is quite normal for people with a terminal or potentially terminal illness. Many people who are dying can develop an overzealous zest for life where they are hyper and positive about everything. They're racing against time and trying to make the most of it.

Similarly, they also have a need to see their loved ones happy and taken care of when they are gone. Dying people will encourage their partners to date and find someone to be with. They may plead for siblings, and children, to get married sooner than later so they may see them married because they pass on. I do think this behavior is problematic because it ignores the free will of other people and emotionally blackmails them. That is why it is recommended to seek end-of-life grief counseling so that people can navigate their need to see everyone settled in a healthy manner.

I don't think Naina loses her free will in any way though. And this is what I like about Kal Ho Na Ho - love comes in different forms and isn't always a sweeping romance.

Naina and Rohit were clearly attracted to each other. There was light flirting and Naina was clearly jealous of him giving attention to other women. Had Aman not shown up, the friendship may have naturally blossomed into romance. Their dynamic was very Monica and Chandler esque.

Aman and Naina are the kind of romance people often desire - meeting a stranger who can sweep you off your feet. Naina falls for Aman because for the first time he brings some harmony to her family. Aman falls for Naina because she's the girl next door and gives him a sense of purpose in hs dying days.

Ultimately, Aman is just a catalyst to Rohit and Naina's relationship. He merely nurtures the existing sparks to grow into something more. Rohit and Naina are seemingly genuinely happy together. Their engagement takes place organically too.

When they find out Naina is upset because Aman denied her the choice, Rohit too is upset because he feels that he didn't genuinely win her over. They don't go on with the wedding to appease a dying Aman. They go on with it because they did enter into a happy fulfilling relationship. They're just mad that their relationship wasn't as organic as they thought it was and obviously upset about losing a dear friend.

Originally posted by: FingerFetish

Raja Ki Aayegi Baarat

This film from start to finish was all kinds of WTF. The grinch-looking-hero rapes the heroine in public and instead of sentencing his di*ck to be skinned with a vegetable peeler and chopped off to be fed to his equally regressive family, the judge instead orders him to marry his victim. He punches her around, cheats on her, and devises a plan to kill her off. What does she do? Saves his life, puts her own life in danger by sucking the poison out of his hairy ankle, teaches him sindoor ki taqqat, and makes the grinch realise that patni-ki-pyar-ki-taqqat can overcome everything, even rape. At the end, she forgives everyone despite being bottled in the head by her father in law. ❤️ Why, you may ask? Well

This was the mother of all regressive movies....🤢.I still get angry when I think of this movie😡