Hum dekhenge song in The Kashmir Files. - Page 7

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

So you are omniscient?

The Quran literally demonizes idolators. So yeah, forgive me if I think a Muslim speaking of idol destruction and imposing Allah's rule isn't exactly speaking of harmony and tolerance.

What exactly do you think is meant by 'All idols will be gone, and only Allah's name will remain'? Please enlighten.

Originally posted by: catchmeifucan

Our Sanathan Dharma gives us the freedom to worship God in any which way we please including worshiping ones own soul- because God is shapeless and formless. But the ultimate aim is to reach to a place where you destroy every form, every shape and identify yourself as one with your own Aatma/Soul and see it in every thing around you.

A lot of what Qoran says has been lost in the translation, perhaps. It’s not the book that is the problem, it’s the interpreters and recipients who consume it without questioning that are the problem.

No, Quran clearly says idol worship is haram. It's a well-known fact that it's considered shirk in Islam. Ask any Muslim who is even a bit religious.

Originally posted by: Kangubai

Self obsessed much?

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Originally posted by: Mahisa_22

The Quran literally demonizes idolators. So yeah, forgive me if I think a Muslim speaking of idol destruction and imposing Allah's rule isn't exactly speaking of harmony and tolerance.

What exactly do you think is meant by 'All idols will be gone, and only Allah's name will remain'? Please enlighten.

The Quran was originally written in 610 CE. I don't think anyone today can claim with absolute irrefutable certainty that they know exactly what the original text said and meant. It has been over 14 centuries since it was first published. Since then there have been multiple translations, interpretations, and schisms over interpretations.

Yes, there are some Muslim clerics and their followers who interpret it as a literal and violent imposition of Islam on others and destruction of other religious icons in the process.

Many people however interpret "idol destruction" as symbolic and metaphorical. It could mean that people stop following harmful idols and messages. It could mean destroying their presence in one's mind and heart. Even idols can mean anything from an image of God that is worshipped to people who are admired and loved.

Imposing Allah's rule or only Allah's name remaining can be interpreted as preaching in the name of Allah to others or that personal piety and worship will naturally lead to peace and order being restored. Allah itself can be interpreted as a God separate and superior to other Gods or as just another name for a universal God.

And it is possible to look down on other people as infidels who will never attain heaven without resorting to violence against them or wishing them ill.

Dogma is created and passed on by humans. Every human creates and passes on their beliefs based on their life experiences. It is rare to find any two people who 100% agree with each other's interpretation of an entire body of scripture.

Originally posted by: Mahisa_22

No, Quran clearly says idol worship is haram. It's a well-known fact that it's considered shirk in Islam. Ask any Muslim who is even a bit religious.

Idol worshipping is considered as the least kind of worshipping in Hinduism also. Read up Isha Upanishad which talks about it extensively. Idol worshipping is done to help one to be able to concentrate on meditating upon that particular form/aspect of the God.

I found this link which covered a few aspects of it.

https://hinduism.stackexchange.com/questions/2123/do-the-vedas-prohibit-idol-worship

BTW, the so called idol worshipping haters hold Mecca and Medina , the Kaaba so dear to them- isn't it one form of idol worshipping?

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

there are some Muslim clerics and their followers who interpret it as a literal and violent imposition of Islam on others and destruction of other religious icons in the process.

Many people however interpret "idol destruction" as symbolic and metaphorical.

Any stats to back this up, RTH, or we just take your word for it?

The question is important because everything hinges on stats here. For instance, 82% of Pakistan, 72% of Jordan and 60% of Egypt, would want to strictly follow the Quran as shown here:

How do you qualify your "some" and "many" among those who want to strictly follow Quran?

^^ the link highlights a different aspect of the survey but within the article, you would find the stats I quoted.

Originally posted by: Kangubai

Allah mean which god?

And why would a pakistani muslim would mean any other god when he talks of allah? If he did, it would be considered blasphemy ?

Faiz's poem is very much popular among muslims of india and pak. Proves allah in the poem cannot be any other god.

It's actually funny to see people trying to secularise a poem talking about the promised judgement day in the book of denstiny, removing the idols and establishing the rule of allah.

How do you interpret it in any other way?

I find it hilarious that people who find bharat mata ki jai n jai shree ram communal and scary in india are secularising this bigotry filled poem which basically endorses the idea of islamic caliphate

According to Islam there are not multiple Gods. There is only one, and the poem talks about him. How is it anti-Hindu?

Originally posted by: AwaamKiJaan

According to Islam there are not multiple Gods. There is only one, and the poem talks about him. How is it anti-Hindu?

If you are quoting it to hindus who believe in multiple Gods then you are directly contradicting their beliefs. More than that you are saying that only the name of your god should eventually remain which is obviously offensive. It shouldn't be difficult to understand that? It is basically saying you want to wipe out hinduism.

This kind of poem should never be used as anthem for secularity in a multi-faith country. Even besides hindus it is also discriminatory towards atheists as why would they want to live in a world that only the name of 1 god exists? If you want a system of plurality or secularity then you have to promote that in an inclusive way.

Originally posted by: AwaamKiJaan

I don't know why your post is not getting quoted.

Anyways..

For you it may be just a interpretation but what interpretation the extremists choose is what really counts.

For ex. When extremists say - kashmir me agar rehna hai to Allah hu Akbar kehna hai, it leaves no scope for survival of those who won't say Allah hu Akbar. Then only the name of Allah will remain there (bas naam rahega Allah ka) as disbelievers will be made to raliv galiv or chaliv. There is your connection between the lines.

And since Rama and Shiva would not mean God for muslims. Therefore 'bas naam rahega Allah ka' does not leave a scope for Gods and beliefs of other religions.

As far as Hindus are concerned they believe in sarva dharm sarvbhav and vasudhaiv kutumbakam and uptil now most even belived in Gandhi's distortion of Raghupati Raghav Raja Ram .... ishwar Allah tero naam. But acceptance has to be both ways. Secularism is not a one way street which only Hs have to walk.