Anti India movies in Bollywood? - Page 4

Originally posted by: jeetuji

But what about India's enemies using these facts against India? to humiliate India and Indians?

I live in the west and some people from India's neighboring on purpose use these sort of movies to show the westerners how bad India is and humiliate Indians.

I am not against solving problems of India, of course they should be solved, but showing things in movies will hardly change ground realities.

How do you propose that these issues should be solved if they aren’t brought into the light? Until the day that these issues become a part of the national and international conversation there will be no incentive for the government and other authorities to address them. After all, politicians aren’t in the business of doing things to benefit those in lower socioeconomic classes, be it in India or anywhere else in the world. And honestly, the entertainment industry in India could be doing a lot more and has only improved more in recent years. I see very few stars in India with guts and determination like Jon Stewart (who used his platform to support 9/11 first responders), Michael Moore (who advocated for gun control and got stores like KMart to stop selling ammunition after Columbine, and took on industries like health insurance with his documentaries). And I’ve definitely not seen anyone who literally lost their career for years the way Colin Kapernick did by protesting for BLM in the NFL.

For a start, they REALLY need to stop glorifying stalking, because that shit is not romantic in the slightest. Like the bigger stars just need to refuse movies if those elements are included in a script.

Also, where do you live that you found people from the neighboring country that are actively disparaging India? I grew up with so many friends with that background and all we were was “brown” or “desi” as a big community, unless there was a cricket match. And actually, have you seen their dramas? So many deal with rape and abuse and violence in such detail, if someone showed a foreigner those they’d be even more terrified. It’s really gutsy honestly, like some of it would surprise me on American shows.

Let's face it, India has really gone down the drain. So what's wrong in showing the truth

Originally posted by: jeetuji

But what about India's enemies using these facts against India? to humiliate India and Indians?

I live in the west and some people from India's neighboring on purpose use these sort of movies to show the westerners how bad India is and humiliate Indians.

I am not against solving problems of India, of course they should be solved, but showing things in movies will hardly change ground realities.

Originally posted by: jeetuji

But what about India's enemies using these facts against India? to humiliate India and Indians?

I live in the west and some people from India's neighboring on purpose use these sort of movies to show the westerners how bad India is and humiliate Indians.

I am not against solving problems of India, of course they should be solved, but showing things in movies will hardly change ground realities.

Might I ask where in the west are you?

I have been living in the west for twenty years and have not seen what you describe. All my friends from the subcontinent have similar complaints about their own countries and desire similar reforms. We all seem to be on the same page about desiring more respect and freedom for women, better access to education, better hygiene, less corruption, and less fanaticism in our home countries.

In my experience, the problems that are true of India are assumed to be true for the entire subcontinent. But no one is humiliating us about our problems. The more aware people in the west know that all countries have their own positive and negative aspects. The only ones who humiliate Indians are the racist, white power, neo-nazi type ones - and I am yet to see a neo-nazi who sided with India's neighbors to humiliate India. I'll for real send you a hundred bucks if you can show me one neo-nazi who actually knows the geography of the subcontinent and prefers other nations over India.

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

Might I ask where in the west are you?

I have been living in the west for twenty years and have not seen what you describe. All my friends from the subcontinent have similar complaints about their own countries and desire similar reforms. We all seem to be on the same page about desiring more respect and freedom for women, better access to education, better hygiene, less corruption, and less fanaticism in our home countries.

In my experience, the problems that are true of India are assumed to be true for the entire subcontinent. But no one is humiliating us about our problems. The more aware people in the west know that all countries have their own positive and negative aspects. The only ones who humiliate Indians are the racist, white power, neo-nazi type ones - and I am yet to see a neo-nazi who sided with India's neighbors to humiliate India. I'll for real send you a hundred bucks if you can show me one neo-nazi who actually knows the geography of the subcontinent and prefers other nations over India.

Maybe what you are saying was true long ago, but not any more. I live here in Canada, there is a big divide now here between Indians and Pakistanis. They openly fight using their own medias here, even hindu/muslim issues have flared up here in the last few years.

Originally posted by: jeetuji

Maybe what you are saying was true long ago, but not any more. I live here in Canada, there is a big divide now here between Indians and Pakistanis. They openly fight using their own medias here, even hindu/muslim issues have flared up here in the last few years.

So the Indians and Pakistanis fighting - they do that back home too. What's new?

Why should movies not depict the ground reality in India? I mean if there is shit in your yard and your neighbor whom you hate points out there is shit in your yard - nothing will change the fact that there is shit in your yard. You could scream back that there's shit in their yard too, but your yard is shitty. You could lie and say your yard is a bed of roses, but everyone can see your yard is shitty. You could even fling the shit across the fence but that just makes you a shitty person. The best thing to do is to accept that there is shit and start cleaning it up.

Originally posted by: MrsLima

get over yourself and try to assess why your society is so toxic then. have you spent this much energy to solve misoginy and sexism in India? Instead of trying to censor rightful criticism?

The problem comes where countries like (Pakistan) actually have a way worst rape rate than India, yet the whole world calls India the rape capital. My point is these movies are not helping this false notion.

Yes India has a huge problem with all these issues, yet is it actually the worst in the world as people are claiming? Our neighbouring country is flaunting all across social media, how India is the worst country on earth and lots of people are believing them

I don't think making movies about what's wrong in or society (sexism, casteism, communal tensions, environmental issues, poverty, crime), is anti-India, anti-Hindu or anti-anyone/anything else...

Imo it only becomes legitimately offensive when it the entire script seems to be tailored just to mock or humiliate one country/community/religion and it's members rather than focusing on the issue at hand...

Like I feel movies like Dil Se that justify terrorism are definitely anti-national, but movies like Article 15 that are actually true stories which simply highlight some of the negative things in India (without trying to make anti-national activities and terror look like the positive alternative) are not.

Originally posted by: jeetuji

The problem comes where countries like (Pakistan) actually have a way worst rape rate than India, yet the whole world calls India the rape capital. My point is these movies are not helping this false notion.

Yes India has a huge problem with all these issues, yet is it actually the worst in the world as people are claiming? Our neighbouring country is flaunting all across social media, how India is the worst country on earth and lots of people are believing them

I totally see your point, but I think we need to bear in mind that absolutely nobody takes the people you're referring to as seriously as us Indians do lol 😆...

Ask anyone anywhere in the world who's country is safer (for women or anyone else for that matter)... pretty much everyone (including all the honest and sane people from across the border) will say India 😆

But we shouldn't get so caught up in this kind of propaganda that we adopt the same ideas as the dishonest, delusional and plain hypocritical individuals from certain other countries who vehemently deny any kind of problem in their country (or claim it's all the fault of India, or some other foreign country 🤓) in the name of patriotism!

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

So the Indians and Pakistanis fighting - they do that back home too. What's new?

I have lived in the gulf for 17 years, Indians and Pakistanis get along well. Its just used to be Hindi speaker versus Malyalis 😆