How many celebrities spoke up for caste crime of hathras? - Page 4

Originally posted by: Deviant_Pixel

Casteism and elitism is very much prevalent. It's why in many Brahmin households (including my own granddad) and also non Brahmin, servants are given different utensils. Matlab these people cook your food and they are somehow so 'unhygienic' they cannot share your food. Its not that everyone treats lower caste badly or beats and abuse them but that does not change the fact that discrimination however subtle is still discrimination.

I wonder if it is by state. The conditions you cite were very prevalent in my great grandfather's time. My grand aunt used to rush and bathe if she even touched a lower caste person by accident. Nowadays the landowners are all broke as cost of labor has skyrocketed. Many labor migrate to cities or even abroad for jobs and only women are left behind. You have to be very nice and sweet to get people to work. The police are very strict, if a scheduled cast person even reports a crime it become s very , very serious. Even my grandfather's and my father's generation many upper class people like us all migrated to small towns and started businesses.

But yes those days, separate wells, no entry to temples and basically lower castes work all day in the fields and barely got paid, mostly rice, vegetables and once a year got clothes etc. basically they were feudal serfs. Then there were customs like bonded labor -where parent suffering terribly would come and mortgage their kid as a servant and kid would live with you and work 24x7 till the debt was paid off. All that is gone. At least my state it seems to have flipped the other side-where landowners are going broke and the workers have money and they are the ones going to temples, travelling . ONly the old people remember the caste system. In villages it is still there, but like in my ancestral village-the headman who used to own 1000s of acres now is stuck with a crumbling palatial mansion and can't afford a car. but is too ashamed to get a bus in his village and so walks to the NeXT village to get a bus -while several of the lower caste people have bought cars.

It is changing. I think one good thing in India is in the caste system you can never look at a person and determine what caste he is from. Once they move out of the village and into a town, no one knows and nowadays so many love marriages so very different.

Originally posted by: BettyA1

So they’re so afraid of the backlash here that they only speak up about issues like BLM, RBG that has nothing to do with India

None of the big stars do this. Only the wannabes like Kareena, Sara, Disha types speak up for American things like BLM which has nothing to do with them. It's just their attempt to look intelligent and woke. They know they can't say anything about Indian issues because they would be attacked.

It's usually the female stars who do all this and the main reason is that they have to have active instagram accounts where something is being posted everyday. That's the only way your followers will increase apart from buying them. So you have to find excuses to post random stuff day and night. They have entire social media teams managing their accounts. That's how seriously they take all this.

Originally posted by: desertsun

It is changing. I think one good thing in India is in the caste system you can never look at a person and determine what caste he is from. Once they move out of the village and into a town, no one knows and nowadays so many love marriages so very different.

No it’s not, people know your caste by your name. Inter caste marriages are acceptable within castes that are close to each other or at least not SCST..

My aunt’s close friend’s brother was a Brahmin and married a scst girl. Both were IAS officers and the boy’s family was from Mumbai..

His parents never forgave him. It’s been more than 20 years and they still haven’t spoken to him.

Honor killings among NRIs due to caste has happened in the US too.

So it’s very difficult to change the mentality of the people.. still not acceptable among many families.

Originally posted by: desertsun

I wonder if it is by state. The conditions you cite were very prevalent in my great grandfather's time. My grand aunt used to rush and bathe if she even touched a lower caste person by accident. Nowadays the landowners are all broke as cost of labor has skyrocketed. Many labor migrate to cities or even abroad for jobs and only women are left behind. You have to be very nice and sweet to get people to work. The police are very strict, if a scheduled cast person even reports a crime it become s very , very serious. Even my grandfather's and my father's generation many upper class people like us all migrated to small towns and started businesses.

But yes those days, separate wells, no entry to temples and basically lower castes work all day in the fields and barely got paid, mostly rice, vegetables and once a year got clothes etc. basically they were feudal serfs. Then there were customs like bonded labor -where parent suffering terribly would come and mortgage their kid as a servant and kid would live with you and work 24x7 till the debt was paid off. All that is gone. At least my state it seems to have flipped the other side-where landowners are going broke and the workers have money and they are the ones going to temples, travelling . ONly the old people remember the caste system. In villages it is still there, but like in my ancestral village-the headman who used to own 1000s of acres now is stuck with a crumbling palatial mansion and can't afford a car. but is too ashamed to get a bus in his village and so walks to the NeXT village to get a bus -while several of the lower caste people have bought cars.

It is changing. I think one good thing in India is in the caste system you can never look at a person and determine what caste he is from. Once they move out of the village and into a town, no one knows and nowadays so many love marriages so very different.

I would say Brahmins definitely still abide by the system but maybe not to that measure. Youre absolutely right that many upper caste people are also living in their past ‘glory’ and stuck with their crumbling palaces, very very true. My family is from Kashmir and north and it’s bang on accurate for a few of my family members.

it’s definitely not in your face because many people want to believe they are woke and frankly the young generation in the cities is. However i have seen outlook in my family extended, they have sympathy not empathy. Still in my nana/nanis family they do not share utensils; when you go to take gangajal, yes they give the househelp but from a different pot. It’s not anymore in your face but subtleties exist.

I remember once my nana was offering me gangajal and he also called our househelp who was right behind me and I immediately told her to go first when infact he had kept another pot seperate for her and he got uncomfortable but still gave her.

Older people are a victim of their traditions I guess. My nana is very attached to my house help she spends time chatting with him and all but still in his mind these practices exist and I’m damn sure they do in many houses. Villages I’m sure are a whole new story!

Reminded of an incident:

My friend is a Brahmin from Muzaffarnagar and was living in NCR alone in an apartment. She was being harassed by some guy (sending messages like- your clothes in this color hanging in the balcony will get wet etc) and there was no one in her building that day.

So, she got scared and called the cops at 4 AM in the morning.. ( they took an hour to find her apartment 😆)

The police waala : where are u from

She: Muzaffarnagar

Cop: phir bhi dar gayi?

She: haan.

Cop: ****** ke Brahmin hoge

🤣

He was right.

Have they ever spoken up about any issue unless it somehow benefit them -_- I hate it how can post about blm but can't speak about the issues of their own country

Originally posted by: mintyblue

True!

Kriti, Kareena spoke up but they ignored the Dalit angle. They made generic statements on rape.

Whereas here the real problem is caste violence against women - and read that in entirety. Ignoring one aspect doesn't make sense.

Priyanka, abhishek, Farhan and akshay spoke too but again not a single mention of castism..

Rest of celebs no words the have lost their marbles

Originally posted by: Autumn_Rose

Reminded of an incident:

My friend is a Brahmin from Muzaffarnagar and was living in NCR alone in an apartment. She was being harassed by some guy (sending messages like- your clothes in this color hanging in the balcony will get wet etc) and there was no one in her building that day.

So, she got scared and called the cops at 4 AM in the morning.. ( they took an hour to find her apartment 😆)

The police waala : where are u from

She: Muzaffarnagar

Cop: phir bhi dar gayi?

She: haan.

Cop: ****** ke Brahmin hoge

🤣

He was right.

Originally posted by: Autumn_Rose

Reminded of an incident:

My friend is a Brahmin from Muzaffarnagar and was living in NCR alone in an apartment. She was being harassed by some guy (sending messages like- your clothes in this color hanging in the balcony will get wet etc) and there was no one in her building that day.

So, she got scared and called the cops at 4 AM in the morning.. ( they took an hour to find her apartment 😆)

The police waala : where are u from

She: Muzaffarnagar

Cop: phir bhi dar gayi?

She: haan.

Cop: ****** ke Brahmin hoge

🤣

He was right.

Are these cops for real?! God no wonder people believe in acab

Originally posted by: floatyy

What does this mean? She was right to be scared by some guy harassing her

Yes, but it’s surprising and funny at the same time how the was able to guess.

I don’t think the only reason was the fact that she was scared. These guys are very observant and pick up on things.