Underrated character : Who and Why? - Page 9

Originally posted by: NoraSM

No, it is an opinion based post, everyone is entitled to their opinion

I think everyone knows Subhadra, her love story with Arjuna is famous with so many shippers, everyone knows that part about Abhimanyu's chakravyuh lessons, she is worshipped in India as Yogmaya that too in Jagannath temple

For me, she is as famous as any other major character

Yes she is famous as a deity mainly. She isn't really famous as a Mahabharat character, she is generally just Arjun's love interest and Abhimanyu's mother! I feel her own qualities are less spoken of

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

Actually, it's not known that Anga - the kingdom and its army - were neutral. They are mentioned in Bheeshma parva. It's just that their king didn't participate, but that was w/ Duryodhan's approval

I do agree that Karna was torn b/w Duryodhan and the Pandavas, given what Krishna and Kunti told him, and therefore didn't opt to cheat the Pandavas of their kingdom a second time

Anga was divided into 5 by MBh times. I believe two of them were under Karna's rule. Which was the Anga offshoot which didn't participate?

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

He actually is one of my favourite characters. But I don't think he did not do anything wrong.

He asked for the murder of Infant Duryodhan. You might say after the things he did that his notion was correct and he advice should have been implemented, but think from a neutral view, is trying to kill an infant anywhere justified?? In fact by doing so he filled hatred in the mind of the toddler(I am sure Dury got to know about this later) against himself and those he loved. Just think the psychology of a child whose own uncle suggested his murder at birth

That I agree with, however it isn't in terms with other crimes which other characters did. But I agree with you, though it is said that Duryodhan was an incarnation of Kali even then I don't believe anyone is born evil. He should not have asked him to be killed. I am with Dhritarashtra here too!

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

In the ⭐️+ Mahabharat, he was drop dead gorgeous, but the one in BRC's serial just looked and talked like an extremely mediocre person. (Same was the problem w/ Praveen Kumar as Bhima: he was a total misfit for that role, aside from his size)

We used to call him Hawt Bro, remember 😂

@Nora - come to StarBharat forum. Your love for Dhrist will be accepted. Also the Dhritarashtra there was so hot. Very wrong move to cast him for such a spineless character. 😒😂😂😂

Originally posted by: NoraSM

🙄 Wah

Imagine getting a kingdom from a friend and not helping him

I still wonder how Duryodhan was okay with this. Another reason to believe Duryodhan genuinely loved him.

I get gay vibes also. (We are allowed to talk about this, right? ✌)

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

When did Drona need rescuing? I missed that.

Satyaki went after Arjun/Krishna b'cos Yudhisthir was paranoid, and so sent first Satyaki, and then Bhima after them. While that helped in eroding the Kaurava army within that vyuha, Arjun/Krishna didn't need that assistance. In fact, what that move did is get a lot of major Pandava warriors - Dhrishtaketu, Sahadev of Magadha, Kekaya-raj, and a few more kings slaughtered by Drona.

It's true that the Kaurava army was occupied by Abhimanyu, but Jayadrath did a good job in containing the rest of the Pandava army. After all, the boon that he got from Shiva covered only the 4 Pandavas, so why couldn't Dhrishtadyumna, Drupada, Virata, Satyaki, Ghatotkacha, Dhrishtaketu, et al bypass Jayadratha and penetrate the vyuha? If they all had done that, Abhimanyu would have had adequate back-up and not been surrounded by several warriors

I didn't make many war parva notes and that, too, were, mostly about Arjuna's reluctance to fight, so I wont be able to locate Drona episode without rereading.

I did locate mentions of what Dhrishtadyumna did in my notes. Recently made a list of statements by various people, including Krishna (TWICE) that Shikhandi killed Bheeshma, not Arjuna, but they're not the ones under discussion.

Back to Dhrishtadyumna. From the very limited portions of him in my Arjuna notes, it looks like Dhrishtadyumna was protecting Bheema so he could wreak maximum havoc.

Here you go:

Day 2 –

(CE – Vol 5, Section 64Chapter 906 (46) onwards)

Partha told Parshata, thecommander of the army, ‘The vyuha75 known by the name of Krouncharuna is thedestroyer of all enemies

This Partha isYudhishtira

Then Drona, Bhishma andyour sons created a giant vyuha to counter that of the Pandus. Like the lord ofthe gods, Bhishma advanced, leading a large army and surrounded by a largenumber of soldiers.

O great king! Bhishma,supreme among the wielders of weapons, was enraged. With three arrows, hepierced Vasudeva between the breasts. O king! Pierced by Bhishma’s arrows,Achyuta Madhusudana was resplendent in that battle, like a blossoming kimshuka.On seeing Madhava thus pierced, Arjuna became extremely angry. In thatencounter, he pierced Gangeya’s charioteer with three arrows.

See what Dhrishtadyumnadoes:

Parshata, the commanderof the army of the sons of Pandu, told his soldiers to fight with all theKalinga warriors. On hearing the words of the general, the cohorts, withShikhandi at the forefront, came to help Bhima, with masses of chariots andwarriors. Pandava Dharmaraja followed all of them, on the back of a largenumber of elephants with the complexion of clouds. Thus urging his ownsoldiers, Parshata, surrounded by many virtuous men, went to guard Bhimasena’sflanks. To the king of Panchala, 123 there was no one in the world as belovedas Bhima and Satyaki and he was engaged in their welfare. The mighty-armedParshata, the destroyer of enemy warriors, saw that Bhimasena, the destroyer ofenemies, was roaming around amidst the Kalingas. O king! The scorcher ofenemies uttered many large shouts. In that battle, he blew on his conch shelland roared like a lion. On seeing that gold-embellished chariot to which horseswith the colour of pigeons were yoked and the red standard, Bhimasena wasassured. … In that encounter, he adopted a terrible form and killed the enemy.Bhima caused a river of blood to flow there, with mud created by the flesh andblood of the Kalingas.

Day 6 –

(CE – Vol 5, Section 64Chapter 931 (71) onwards)

While that great battlewas going on, your son approached his brothers and told them, ‘This son ofDrupada is evil in his soul. He has arrived to help Bhimasena.

(CE – Vol 5, Section 64Chapter 943 (83) onwards)

ur father, Bhishma,constructed a great vyuha. It was as terrible as the ocean, with the mounts asits waves.

On seeing the great vyuhaof your soldiers, maharatha Yudhishthira quickly addressed Parshata, thesupreme commander. ‘O great archer! Behold the vyuha that has been constructed.It is like an ocean. O Parshata! Without any delay, create a counter vyuha.’
Having been thus addressed, the brave Parshata constructed an extremelyterrible vyuha. O great king! It was called Shringataka 303
and it was destructive of the vyuhas of enemies.

Each war day has the mention of him constructing the vyuhas. Considering that they won while being outnumbered and outclassed, I'd say Dhrishtadyumna did very well.

Originally posted by: CaptainSpark

I still wonder how Duryodhan was okay with this. Another reason to believe Duryodhan genuinely loved him.

I get gay vibes also. (We are allowed to talk about this, right? ✌)

Yes these are the reasons which make me think too that Duryodhan genuinely cared for Karna the most. He was important to him not just as a war soldier but also as a person.

From whatever I have heard, even earlier, Karna wasn't a flattering kind of person to Duryodhan, he did raise his objections whenever he felt. And while Duryodhan had issues with Bheeshm, Vidur etc. disagreeing to him, he seems fine with Karna's objections and counter arguments. He doesn't give me a "Chamcha" kind of vibe

Last part to thoda zyada ho Gaya, but can't be sure, However he was at max a bi definitely not gay. His love for Bhanumati is very objectively highlighted in Oriya Mahabharata and is referenced in Srimad Bhagwatam too. Fir bhi agar ye Sahi tha to seriously Duryodhan ko Sutaputra hi Mila tha. Couldn't he find a better option

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Yes these are the reasons which make me think too that Duryodhan genuinely cared for Karna the most. He was important to him not just as a war soldier but also as a person.

From whatever I have heard, even earlier, Karna wasn't a flattering kind of person to Duryodhan, he did raise his objections whenever he felt. And while Duryodhan had issues with Bheeshm, Vidur etc. disagreeing to him, he seems fine with Karna's objections and counter arguments. He doesn't give me a "Chamcha" kind of vibe

Last part to thoda zyada ho Gaya, but can't be sure, However he was at max a trans definitely not gay. His love for Bhanumati is very objectively highlighted in Oriya Mahabharata and is referenced in Srimad Bhagwatam too. Fir bhi agar ye Sahi tha to seriously Duryodhan ko Sutaputra hi Mila tha. Couldn't he find a better option

Yeah, my reasons for saying homosexual/bisexual is that I feel if there's anyone whom duryodhan loved with all his heart it was Karna, not even Dushashana. I am not much aware of the Bhanumati incidents, but taking your word for it, bisexual seems an option. I won't say any homosocial friendship is gay. Madhav-Parth is definitely not IMO. However Karn was definitely more special to Duryodhan than anyone else was. At least wahi vibes milte. It could be i am over analysing. 😆

I get more gay vibes from Arjuna-Krishna. There is a scene between them after war which is quite tender. But then, each seems to show similar tenderness towards women, so who knows?

ETA. I am very supportive of gay rights, so above was not meant as a slight. Moreover, I find Krishna one of the most accepting men in the history of the universe, and I doubt he'd have minded.

If I get reported/banned for this post, so be it.

Originally posted by: naq5

who was Satyaki? where did he come from & what was his link to the pandavas. Ive read about him being a very good warrior in the war but i have not seen him in any shows.

Satyaki was a Vrishni chief (Vasudev's clan, not Devaki's: Devaki's was the Andhakas, of which Kritavarma was a chief). He was a close friend of both Krishna and Pradhyumna.

Satyaki's grandfather Sini was a close friend of Vasudev, and fought Ballika's (Santanu's cousin) son Somadatta for Devaki's hand in marriage. Somadatta wanted Devaki for himself, Sini wanted her for Vasudev. Sini won, and in course of that battle kicked Somadatta and made him unconscious. Somadatta later got a boon from Shiva that his descendant should get to repay Sini's descendant in kind, which is what happened when Satyaki fought Bhurishrava in day 14.

Satyaki was also a pupil of Arjun's, and so joined the Pandava side in the war, and was the commander of one of the akshauni's. For many of the days, his principal rival was Bhurishrava: on day 6, 10 of Satyaki's sons were killed by Bhurishrava, and the battle b/w them that followed ended in a stalemate. On day 14, Satyaki was initially defeated by Bhurishrava as per that curse, but when Bhurishrava was about to kill him, Arjun cut off his hand and then berated him Bhurishrava then sat down in a yogic position, and Satyaki, recovering, cut off his head.

Like I said before, after Bhima and Arjun, Satyaki was the #3 most effective warrior on the Pandava side, ahead of even Abhimanyu and Ghatotkacha. On day 2, he defeated Bheeshma by killing his charioteer and forcing him to flee, and the Pandavas managed to turn fortunes that day. On day 14, after the death of Jayadrath, he defeated Karna w/ Daruka as his charioteer. On day 15, after Ashwatthama's narayanastra was quelled, he saved Dhrishtadyumna from being killed by Ashwatthama, and was himself saved by Arjun since Ashwatthama had the upper hand. On day 16, he killed 2 minor enemies of both Krishna and Arjun - the rulers of Avantika - Vinda and Anuvinda. On day 17, he killed Karna's son Prasena, and day 18, he was among the participants in Shalya's death, and he also captured Sanjaya, who tried to enter the battle once Duryodhan fled after being defeated by Dhrishtadyumna.

On night 18, he was w/ Krishna and the Pandavas, and therefore escaped Ashwatthama's midnight massacre. 36 years later, when the Yadavas, witnessing bad omens, went to Prabasha, there was a lot of drinking, and Satyaki decided to be the one to open up old wounds. He insulted Kritavarma for being the only kshatriya who participated in Ashwatthama's midnight massacre. Kritavarma slammed him for killing Bhurishrava, Satyaki then slammed Kritavarma for participating in the plot to kill Satyabhama's father Satyajit, and the arguments escalated. Finally, Satyaki struck Kritavarma dead w/ his sword, and was immediately attacked by the Andhaka members. Pradhyumna intervened to try and save him, but both Satyaki and Pradhyumna were killed w/ pots and pans. Krishna up to that point was trying to de-escalate the fight, but seeing those 2 dead, he got infuriated, plucked out the grass that grew out of the mace dust that Samba had given birth to, and used to to strike anyone around him. The other Vrishnis and Andhakas did the same, and soon, all of Krishna's sons and grandsons were wiped out.

Oh, one final point - when Arjun evacuated the Vrishnis and Andhakas out of Dwarka, he crowned Satyaki's surviving son Asanga as the ruler of a small kingdom on the Ganga to lead the Vrishnis, and Kritavarma's son Bali (who was married to Rukmini's daughter Charumati) the king of Martikavat to lead the Andhakas. I don't know who he left under Vajra, but Vajra was crowned at Indraprastha the ruler of Mathura.

Anyway, that was the story of Satyaki, who's a majorly overlooked character in the Mahabharat