Underrated character : Who and Why? - Page 8

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

The other 3 sons of Karna - Chitrasena, Sushena, and Satyasena - were killed by Nakul on day 18. Nakul's bow was broken by Chitrasena, but he managed to jump onto his chariot and strike him dead w/ his sword. He then made short work of Sushena and Satyasena.

Karna had another son Prasena, who was killed by Satyaki at the beginning of day 17. Another son - I forget the name - was slain by Bhima

I meant these children weren't mentioned as some great warrior or one who defeated everyone else on the day of their death. Vrihsena has been highlighted because he was great not just to give him an OTT death.

Duryodhan's son Lakshman has been mentioned only for being killed pretty easily by Abhimanyu. Dusshashan's son was better than Lakshman I think

By the according to Jaimini Mahabharata parts we have, Karna had another son Vrishketu who survived the war. I used to think he is the part of a folklore but got to know recently that Vrishketu is mentioned in one of authentic versions

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Thanks for correcting actually someone had shared an ancient map on this forum where Madra was the complete North West Frontier Province and Trigatha was complete Punjab (India+Pakistan with its capital somewhere around Jalandhar) hence I made this post

Anyhow my theory still stands nearly true with only exception of Kekaya Desh. Taksh supported Kauravas too.

About Vrihsena he definitely wasn't a proper match to Abhimanyu or Arjun, but he was someone who could challenge them however I guess excluding them and Satyaki, Pandav army didn't have any answer to Vrihsena. Excluding the the various CICs of Kaurav army and Kripacharya+Kritvarma(I doubt even him), Vrihsena was undoubtedly the best warrior on their side (even better than Duryodhan Dusshashan and Shakuni) I really find it strange that the general public don't even know his name, he is like removed from history.

His death is nearly as painful as Abhimanyu's but while Abhimanyu Vadh is the highlight of Mahabharata based shows, his death or him doesn't even find a mention. If Arjun had actually cheated in his killing as you said, then that tells the reason for the omission of his death, you wouldn't show your hero killing a kid by treachery

I really hope that the people who write retellings of Mahabharata from the POV of people like Ashwathama and Duryodhan someday remember this kid and write a retelling from his perspective

At least Karna fans ought to recognize Vrishasena's greatness. In the ⭐️+ Mahabharat serial, where there were ATs on Karna, we did.

Also, Shakuni is generally regarded as having ruled the eastern part of Afghanistan. Also, Kambhoja, which was ruled by Sudakshina, was what is today parts of POK, East Tajikistan and the Chinese province of Kashgar (cities of Kashgar, Yarkand and Khotan): these all fought on the Kaurava side as well

Originally posted by: NoraSM

🙄 Wah

Imagine getting a kingdom from a friend and not helping him

Wahi na and still Duryodhan trusted him so much and kept him in his innermost circle (although I still want to believe that only Karna+family didn't participate, rest of the Anga army did though I think it wasn't so).

That's the reason I always say Karna wasn't just an opponent to Arjun for Duryodhan. He actually meant the most to him in his life.

I can not say the same for Karna though. Duryodhan was definitely his friend but not the bosom buddy as he was for Duryodhan

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

I meant these children weren't mentioned as some great warrior or one who defeated everyone else on the day of their death. Vrihsena has been highlighted because he was great not just to give him an OTT death.

Duryodhan's son Lakshman has been mentioned only for being killed pretty easily by Abhimanyu. Dusshashan's son was better than Lakshman I think

By the according to Jaimini Mahabharata parts we have, Karna had another son Vrishketu who survived the war. I used to think he is the part of a folklore but got to know recently that Vrishketu is mentioned in one of authentic versions

Dushashan's son wasn't superior to Lakshman: they fought Abhimanyu at different stages.

Lakshman took on Abhimanyu when the latter was in peak form, playing havoc w/ the army. He got killed, and his father got furious, and Drona put together the plan to disarm Abhimanyu.

Karna managed to break his bow (contrary to the ACK, he did not break it from behind). Others kept firing arrows at his chariot and broke it, and his charioteer was killed as well. Then Drona and Karna broke his sword and shield.

It was then that Abhimanyu picked up the wheel of his chariot to defend himself, but everybody's arrows kept hitting it, and broke it to pieces.

It was at this point that Abhimanyu picked up a mace, and Dushashan's son came in. They fought, and both fell unconscious. Dushashan's son got up first, and then killed Abhimanyu b4 he could.

This last part belies 2 myths perpetuated about Abhimanyu's killing. First is that he was killed by joint attack of warriors. He wasn't (unlike Shalya much later): he was disarmed that way, which is about as illegitimate. The other is that he was killed by Karna. Again, no. He was killed by Dushashan's son, maybe by questionable means, but still in a mano a mano fight

However, it's obvious that Abhimanyu was in totally different frames of mind when he fought Lakshman vs when he fought Dushashan-putra

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Wahi na and still Duryodhan trusted him so much and kept him in his innermost circle (although I still want to believe that only Karna+family didn't participate, rest of the Anga army did though I think it wasn't so).

That's the reason I always say Karna wasn't just an opponent to Arjun for Duryodhan. He actually meant the most to him in his life.

I can not say the same for Karna though. Duryodhan was definitely his friend but not the bosom buddy as he was for Duryodhan

Actually, it's not known that Anga - the kingdom and its army - were neutral. They are mentioned in Bheeshma parva. It's just that their king didn't participate, but that was w/ Duryodhan's approval

I do agree that Karna was torn b/w Duryodhan and the Pandavas, given what Krishna and Kunti told him, and therefore didn't opt to cheat the Pandavas of their kingdom a second time

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

Actually, it's not known that Anga - the kingdom and its army - were neutral. They are mentioned in Bheeshma parva. It's just that their king didn't participate, but that was w/ Duryodhan's approval

I do agree that Karna was torn b/w Duryodhan and the Pandavas, given what Krishna and Kunti told him, and therefore didn't opt to cheat the Pandavas of their kingdom a second time

I know he didn't participate with Duryodhan's approval that's why I said that had Karna just been an opponent to Arjun for him Duryodhan wouldn't have agreed to it. The fact that he agreed for Karna backing out shows that he had real feelings for Karna

Well Karna I never felt had actual friendship with Duryodhan.

who was Satyaki? where did he come from & what was his link to the pandavas. Ive read about him being a very good warrior in the war but i have not seen him in any shows.

-Amba? IDK if anyone mentioned her, IMHO she isn't given enough credits poor soul had to go through rebirths to get her justice

-ghatto- I think he's not considered mainstream but his depiction of TV bothers me, he's not given enough credit.

Originally posted by: naq5

who was Satyaki? where did he come from & what was his link to the pandavas. Ive read about him being a very good warrior in the war but i have not seen him in any shows.

Satyaki was a Yadav chief. He supported the Pandavas in the war

He wasn't related to Pandavas by blood were close to them. He taught Abhimanyu during the stay of the latter during the war

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

Dushashan's son wasn't superior to Lakshman: they fought Abhimanyu at different stages.

Lakshman took on Abhimanyu when the latter was in peak form, playing havoc w/ the army. He got killed, and his father got furious, and Drona put together the plan to disarm Abhimanyu.

Karna managed to break his bow (contrary to the ACK, he did not break it from behind). Others kept firing arrows at his chariot and broke it, and his charioteer was killed as well. Then Drona and Karna broke his sword and shield.

It was then that Abhimanyu picked up the wheel of his chariot to defend himself, but everybody's arrows kept hitting it, and broke it to pieces.

It was at this point that Abhimanyu picked up a mace, and Dushashan's son came in. They fought, and both fell unconscious. Dushashan's son got up first, and then killed Abhimanyu b4 he could.

This last part belies 2 myths perpetuated about Abhimanyu's killing. First is that he was killed by joint attack of warriors. He wasn't (unlike Shalya much later): he was disarmed that way, which is about as illegitimate. The other is that he was killed by Karna. Again, no. He was killed by Dushashan's son, maybe by questionable means, but still in a mano a mano fight

However, it's obvious that Abhimanyu was in totally different frames of mind when he fought Lakshman vs when he fought Dushashan-putra

Don't know if you've ever watched a bull fight. Tiring out the victim, then letting the matatdor kill him at a point where he's not able to fight back. It's not the same as back-to-back one-one-one fights with all parties tired. Abhimanyu's end was definitely not mano-a-mano. Even if none of the others picked up a weapon at the end, they did plenty before. The fact that Dusshasana's son delivered the kill blow doesn't make the prior part go away.