Underrated character : Who and Why? - Page 7

Originally posted by: NoraSM

I have read it on this forum only that Satyaki said Abhimanyu is the king in presence of Yudhistira, @hearmeroar can provide citation

Everyone was assigned a job, Dhristadumya remained the CIC throughout the war where Kauravas had to change their frequently, enough reason to believe that he did a good job

Satyaki was a great warrior, Bheema and Arjuna were better, Why weren't they appointed as CIC?

MSD was great captain and amazing batsman

Sachin, the best batsman in the world was an abysmal captain

You can't equate war w/ cricket. Like take Sourav Ganguly: when he had a lean patch and used to be cheaply dismissed, there is nothing any of his teammates could have done to save his wicket: they just had to themselves bat and close the performance gaps. But Dada would be out!

In battle, whenever Dhrishtadyumna was threatened, Satyaki or Bhima would swoop in

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Hey no. Vrihsena has been mentioned since the beginning as a fierce warrior. He defeated the 5 Uppandavas in day 12 single handedly.

Even his defeating of Nakul was on an earlier day.

The other three sons of Karna are not mentioned with the valour Vrihsena is

The other 3 sons of Karna - Chitrasena, Sushena, and Satyasena - were killed by Nakul on day 18. Nakul's bow was broken by Chitrasena, but he managed to jump onto his chariot and strike him dead w/ his sword. He then made short work of Sushena and Satyasena.

Karna had another son Prasena, who was killed by Satyaki at the beginning of day 17. Another son - I forget the name - was slain by Bhima

Here you go satyaki talks about abhimanyu ruling the world after yudhishtra and after they have defeated kaurvakas

Let the united army of the Satwatas and Suras, together with the best soldiers of the Vrishnis, the Bhojas, and the Andhakas, kill those sons of Dhritarashtra in the field of battle and let them swell their expanded fame throughout the world. Then let Abhimanyu rule the world so long as this most excellent of virtuous men, the magnanimous Yudhishthira, may be engaged in fulfilling his vow,--the vow that was accepted and declared by him, the most righteous of Kuru's race, on the occasion of the famous play at dice. Afterwards the virtuous king will protect the earth, all his foes defeated in battle by shafts which will be discharged by us. Then there will remain no sons of Dhritarashtra on earth,--nor the son of the charioteer (Kama). This is the most important work for us to do, and this will surely lead to fame."

https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m03/m03120.htm

Originally posted by: NoraSM

Oh okay

Why did Karna enter after 10 days?

Bheeshma

One account has it that Karna, due to his arguments w/ Bheeshma, refused to serve under him. This serial has Bheeshma accepting the senapati role only if Karna was excluded from the war effort

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

You can't equate war w/ cricket. Like take Sourav Ganguly: when he had a lean patch and used to be cheaply dismissed, there is nothing any of his teammates could have done to save his wicket: they just had to themselves bat and close the performance gaps. But Dada would be out!

In battle, whenever Dhrishtadyumna was threatened, Satyaki or Bhima would swoop in

It was to explain that leading a team is not as same as destroying everything on your path, its not like Satyaki and Bheema spent 18 days trying to protect Dhristadumya, they were aiding anyone who needed help, Panchal came with biggest army, why wouldn't someone from Panchal get a good position? Its very simple

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

Kekaya - which is today's Waziristan - was the kingdom from which Krishna's wife Bhadra was. That kingdom fought on the Pandava side.

Madra - Shalya's kingdom - is today's Indian Punjab, not Pakistan's. Pakistan's Punjab was Susharma's: you flipped the 2

Gandhara was the kingdom on both sides of the Hindu Kush. If you recall from the Ramayan, Takshashila - Taksha's kingdom, was on the eastern side (today's Rawalpindi), and Pushkalavati was Jalalabad - on the northern/western side of that range.

Anga, Banga, Kalinga and Pragjyotisha all fought on the Kaurava side. Kalinga was the kingdom of Duryodhan's sasural, Anga was Karna's kingdom and Pragjyotisha was that of Bhagadatta, the son of Narakasura

Thanks for correcting actually someone had shared an ancient map on this forum where Madra was the complete North West Frontier Province and Trigatha was complete Punjab (India+Pakistan with its capital somewhere around Jalandhar) hence I made this post

Anyhow my theory still stands nearly true with only exception of Kekaya Desh. Taksh supported Kauravas too.

About Vrihsena he definitely wasn't a proper match to Abhimanyu or Arjun, but he was someone who could challenge them however I guess excluding them and Satyaki, Pandav army didn't have any answer to Vrihsena. Excluding the the various CICs of Kaurav army and Kripacharya+Kritvarma(I doubt even him), Vrihsena was undoubtedly the best warrior on their side (even better than Duryodhan Dusshashan and Shakuni) I really find it strange that the general public don't even know his name, he is like removed from history.

His death is nearly as painful as Abhimanyu's but while Abhimanyu Vadh is the highlight of Mahabharata based shows, his death or him doesn't even find a mention. If Arjun had actually cheated in his killing as you said, then that tells the reason for the omission of his death, you wouldn't show your hero killing a kid by treachery

I really hope that the people who write retellings of Mahabharata from the POV of people like Ashwathama and Duryodhan someday remember this kid and write a retelling from his perspective

Originally posted by: NoraSM

Oh okay

Why did Karna enter after 10 days?

He had some differences with Bheeshm so he denied to fight under Bheeshm's command (although TV shows portray that Bheeshm asked him not to be a part of the war if Duryodhan wants Bheeshm as the CIC but that isn't true. I got to know this here in this forum itself. How much TV shows affect our mind)

Hence he only entered after the fall of Bheeshm

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

Bheeshma

One account has it that Karna, due to his arguments w/ Bheeshma, refused to serve under him. This serial has Bheeshma accepting the senapati role only if Karna was excluded from the war effort

What does the book say?

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

Yeah, but there is no mention of Vrishasena on days 1-10, when his father wasn't fighting either. He was probably a part of Karna's akshauni when the latter joined the war

Although that would bring up the question - did Anga not fight the war on days 1-10? Or did they fight it under Bheeshma?

I think Anga on the whole didn't participate for the first ten days due to Karna's stubbornness.

Achhi mitrata nibhaaiyi Bhai ne

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

He had some differences with Bheeshm so he denied to fight under Bheeshm's command (although TV shows portray that Bheeshm asked him not to be a part of the war if Duryodhan wants Bheeshm as the CIC but that isn't true. I got to know this here in this forum itself. How much TV shows affect our mind)

Hence he only entered after the fall of Bheeshm

🙄 Wah

Imagine getting a kingdom from a friend and not helping him