Yudishthir: Really dharmaraj? - Page 4

Originally posted by: angel_juhi04

Even well known social workers do good works but some of them actually have evil sides too. Same as Karna. No matter how big daani he was what he did with Draupadi brings his goodness to ZERO.

Karna had his reasons for being daanveer. Firstly, the word "daanveer" has not been used to describe him in the original epic. He only began his daan few years before the war.

Karna vowed to follow Asur vrat during Pandavas’ exile years after Dyut Sabha incident. As per this, he couldn’t say no to person coming to him with any demand

He followed this to gain the blessings of the celestial beings, because he wanted to defeat Arjun. He had his own intentions behind it.

Originally posted by: angel_juhi04

I don't have problem with actor but what he did was sin. Koi insaan apne bail-bakriyon ko bhi aise daav pe nahi lagaata hai par isne to apne bhaiyon aur biwiyon ko bhi laga diya. When Karna brought up Draupadi idea, other 4 husbands immediately got raged but Yudi stopped them. And after Draupadi being molested, Yudi will tell her to forgive Dury and gang. Not even that but he will get ready for another Ludo Game which will lead to their vanvaas and agyaatvaas.

Yes, he was unbelievably wrong here. Agreed

Originally posted by: angel_juhi04

I don't have problem with actor but what he did was sin. Koi insaan apne bail-bakriyon ko bhi aise daav pe nahi lagaata hai par isne to apne bhaiyon aur biwiyon ko bhi laga diya. When Karna brought up Draupadi idea, other 4 husbands immediately got raged but Yudi stopped them. And after Draupadi being molested, Yudi will tell her to forgive Dury and gang. Not even that but he will get ready for another Ludo Game which will lead to their vanvaas and agyaatvaas.

Yes, he was unbelievably wrong here. Agreed. I don't see how he agreed to this. Anyone in their right mind would have said no but he continued. Clearly he was out of his mind.

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Dhritrashtra said chup and baitho? Which version are you mentioning? I haven't read any version which states that Yudhishtir asked for permission to stop the game and Dhritrashtra asked him to continue.

Yes I know post Indraprasth Yudhishtir was too numb and was agreeing to stake whatever Shakuni suggested but Dhritrashtra asking to continue is totally confusing.

@First line, I said the same thing, unlike what BRC n others show, probably Yudhishtir by then had started enjoying the game and got into it, probably reality only stuck him once he actually lost his kingdom, I guess that was when got completely numb and didn't know how to continue

As per KMG VERSION, there is nothing like this. Citation below: Please note Yudhishthir continued staking. There is no interference from Dhrit.

Sakuni said,--'Thou hast, O Yudhishthira, lost much wealth of the Pandavas. If thou hast still anything that thou hast not yet lost to us, O son of Kunti, tell us what it is!"

"Yudhishthira said,--O son of Suvala, I know that I have untold wealth. But why is it, O Sakuni, that thou askest me of my wealth? Let tens of thousands and millions and millions and tens of millions and hundreds of millions and tens of billions and hundreds of billions and trillions and tens of trillions and hundreds of trillions and tens of quadrillions and hundreds of quadrillions and even more wealth be staked by thee. I have as much. With that wealth, O king, I will play with thee."

Vaisampayana said,--"Hearing this, Sakuni, ready with the dice, adopting unfair means, said unto Yudhishthira, 'Lo, I have won!'

'Yudhishthira said,--'I have, O son of Suvala, immeasurable kine and horses and milch cows with calves and goats and sheep in the country extending from the Parnasa to the eastern bank of the Sindu. With this wealth, O king, I will play with thee.

Vaisampayana said,--"Hearing this Sakuni, ready with the dice, adopting unfair means, said unto Yudhishthira, 'Lo, I have won!'

Yudhishthira said,--'I have my city, the country, land, the wealth of all dwelling therein except of the Brahmanas, and all those persons themselves except Brahmanas still remaining to me. With this wealth, O king, I will play with thee.'

Vaisampayana said,--"Hearing this, Sakuni, ready with the dice, adopting foul means, said unto Yudhishthira, 'Lo! I have won.'

"Yudhishthira said,--These princes here, O king, who look resplendent in their ornaments and their ear-rings and Nishkas and all the royal ornaments on their persons are now my wealth. With this wealth, O king, I play with thee.

Vaisampayana said,--"Hearing this, Sakuni, ready with his dice, adopting foul means, said unto Yudhishthira, 'Lo! I have won them.'

"Yudhishthira said,--'This Nakula here, of mighty arms and leonine neck, of red eyes and endued with youth, is now my one stake. Know that he is my wealth.'

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Sakuni said,--'O king Yudhishthira, prince Nakula is dear to thee. He is already under our subjection. With whom (as stake) wilt thou now play?"

Vaisampayana said,--"Saying this, Sakuni cast those dice, and said unto Yudhishthira, 'Lo! He hath been won by us.'

Yudhishthira said,--"This Sahadeva administereth justice. He hath also acquired a reputation for learning in this world. However undeserving he may be to be staked in play, with him as stake I will play, with such a dear object as it, indeed, he were not so!"

Please check underlined and bold parts. I don't see any interference by Dhrit or any sign of Yudhishthir stopping.

Originally posted by: CaptainSpark

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Was this in Rajashekhar Basu's? I always thought I read that in one of the versions. Misread a lot of things then. 🤔

Originally posted by: proteeti

Was this in Rajashekhar Basu's? I always thought I read that in one of the versions. Misread a lot of things then. 🤔

Could be! (I guess you're referring to Yudhi's continuance?)

Rajshekhar Basu is highly distorted re. I have not taken it much seriously but it is highly probable that he put that in because he definitely had a soft corner for Yudhi.  😆

Originally posted by: CaptainSpark

Could be! (I guess you're referring to Yudhi's continuance?)

Rajshekhar Basu is highly distorted re. I have not taken it much seriously but it is highly probable that he put that in because he definitely had a soft corner for Yudhi.  😆

Yup, somewhere defo. I read ke Yudi did not put the stakes himself. But also logically, he had to at least agree to them or minimum have an argument before submitting na?

Originally posted by: proteeti

Yup, somewhere defo. I read ke Yudi did not put the stakes himself. But also logically, he had to at least agree to them or minimum have an argument before submitting na?

See as far as I see, each side had to put something on stake. But if Party A loses it, they have to change the bet but other side may not. For eg,

I put - 100 Rs. You put- 100 Rs. In this case, if I win, I get your 100 rs. Now you put a new 200 Rs. I can still continue with my bet of 100 rs.

Hope I could explain. xD

So basically as per KMG at least, Yudhi didn't show much signs of stopping. He was in no way manipulated to put them at stake. But let me consider, even if Shakuni suggested it to him, he was free to not consider it. Here Yudhi did have his free will and just because Shakuni TOLD HIM TO, it isn't any less of his fault.

As per Kmg, he didn't exactly ask anyone, or even think before doing it. Also we don't see ang provoking. But maybe other versions may have so. Rajshekhar is biased towards Yudhi since the beginning. Please don't trust him re. 😆😆

Originally posted by: CaptainSpark

Hope I could explain. xD

Thanks for the explanation, it helps. I think in that case it was a moment of idiocy on his part, and he suffer for it later, just like everybody else.

Yeah, even here Bhishma says that no one had stopped Yudi from protesting against Shakuni's suggestions and he was free to not follow them, cause it wasn't that Dhritarashtra had asked him to stake Ps and Drau. Also, Ps didn't object Yudishthir's play, which was again incorrect on their part, however Arjun says that they couldn't have contradicted Yudi there.