Yudishthir: Really dharmaraj? - Page 5

Originally posted by: Mannmohanaa

Yeah, even here Bhishma says that no one had stopped Yudi from protesting against Shakuni's suggestions and he was free to not follow them, cause it wasn't that Dhritarashtra had asked him to stake Ps and Drau. Also, Ps didn't object Yudishthir's play, which was again incorrect on their part, however Arjun says that they couldn't have contradicted Yudi there.

Well no dharma, no rule or no logic can convince or justify what Yudhi did here. He could have said no, he could have quit the game, he could have respectfully asked Dhritarashtra for permission to leave. I don't see how elders can continue doing wrong and yet he continue supporting them. This was an exceptional case and even in Dwapar Yug I feel it isn't justified. All were at fault, but I feel Yudhi is the most to blame. He was the one who staked them.

Originally posted by: CaptainSpark

Well no dharma, no rule or no logic can convince or justify what Yudhi did here. He could have said no, he could have quit the game, he could have respectfully asked Dhritarashtra for permission to leave. I don't see how elders can continue doing wrong and yet he continue supporting them. This was an exceptional case and even in Dwapar Yug I feel it isn't justified. All were at fault, but I feel Yudhi is the most to blame. He was the one who staked them.

Ofcourse, he did do wrong. There were a million ways to stop the game. But apparently all of them were against shistachaar and kshatriya dharma, except perhaps seeing Drau getting disrobed 😵

What I couldn't understand was Bhishma ridiculed Arjun when he talked of war and Pitamah blamed Ps for what happened. What a futile last minute attempt to ask Ps to forget whatever happened as Dhrity had 'returned' everything to them.

And I don't even know if this BRC's distortion or the real text😆

Yudhishthir was Dharmaraj, no question of it

He was one of the most righteous of all in Mahabharata, but the greatest thing about this epic is noone are white everyone are grey, some more than the other.

Yudhishthir's greatest flaw was the game Gambling is an addiction, and one when starts to lose, it is a kind of disease Yudhishthir was so into it that he staked everything from his kingdom to his brothers to his wife.

Another is that he never stopped his wife's humiliation that day, I personally don't feel that Vastraharan happened, but that is another story.

The exile period was his repentance and among all of them, he actually repented on what had happened compared to the others who were busy plotting revenge against Duryodhana

Originally posted by: Mannmohanaa

Ofcourse, he did do wrong. There were a million ways to stop the game. But apparently all of them were against shistachaar and kshatriya dharma, except perhaps seeing Drau getting disrobed 😵

What I couldn't understand was Bhishma ridiculed Arjun when he talked of war and Pitamah blamed Ps for what happened. What a futile last minute attempt to ask Ps to forget whatever happened as Dhrity had 'returned' everything to them.

And I don't even know if this BRC's distortion or the real text😆

I don't remember everything of the text, but I think this is BRC's version 😆

Originally posted by: CaptainSpark

See as far as I see, each side had to put something on stake. But if Party A loses it, they have to change the bet but other side may not. For eg,

I put - 100 Rs. You put- 100 Rs. In this case, if I win, I get your 100 rs. Now you put a new 200 Rs. I can still continue with my bet of 100 rs.

Hope I could explain. xD

So basically as per KMG at least, Yudhi didn't show much signs of stopping. He was in no way manipulated to put them at stake. But let me consider, even if Shakuni suggested it to him, he was free to not consider it. Here Yudhi did have his free will and just because Shakuni TOLD HIM TO, it isn't any less of his fault.

As per Kmg, he didn't exactly ask anyone, or even think before doing it. Also we don't see ang provoking. But maybe other versions may have so. Rajshekhar is biased towards Yudhi since the beginning. Please don't trust him re. 😆😆

Originally posted by: CaptainSpark

See as far as I see, each side had to put something on stake. But if Party A loses it, they have to change the bet but other side may not. For eg,

I put - 100 Rs. You put- 100 Rs. In this case, if I win, I get your 100 rs. Now you put a new 200 Rs. I can still continue with my bet of 100 rs.

Hope I could explain. xD

So basically as per KMG at least, Yudhi didn't show much signs of stopping. He was in no way manipulated to put them at stake. But let me consider, even if Shakuni suggested it to him, he was free to not consider it. Here Yudhi did have his free will and just because Shakuni TOLD HIM TO, it isn't any less of his fault.

As per Kmg, he didn't exactly ask anyone, or even think before doing it. Also we don't see ang provoking. But maybe other versions may have so. Rajshekhar is biased towards Yudhi since the beginning. Please don't trust him re.

Thankyou for confirming. Even I was of the view that Dhritrashtra didn't force him to continue, but I did read somewhere that Yudhishtir was completely numb after having lost Indraprasth.

People do try to justify this act of Yudhishtir by various means but I don't think there can be any excuse unless he at least once said that lets stop I agree that I lost the game. He knew his biggest well wisher Vidur ji was repeatedly requesting to stop the game, still he didn't even for once say that ok let's end the game.

On Draupadi's stake though I think he didn't have much option, he was already a Das of Duryodhan by then and Duryodhan did ask to stake Draupadi, he couldn't have disobeyed his master being the slave

Originally posted by: CaptainSpark

Well no dharma, no rule or no logic can convince or justify what Yudhi did here. He could have said no, he could have quit the game, he could have respectfully asked Dhritarashtra for permission to leave. I don't see how elders can continue doing wrong and yet he continue supporting them. This was an exceptional case and even in Dwapar Yug I feel it isn't justified. All were at fault, but I feel Yudhi is the most to blame. He was the one who staked them.

And sabse Badi baat bhaiyon ko do minute me stake Kar Diya bete Prativindhya ko bacha Gaya.

Baised Dharmraaj

Originally posted by: Mannmohanaa

Ofcourse, he did do wrong. There were a million ways to stop the game. But apparently all of them were against shistachaar and kshatriya dharma, except perhaps seeing Drau getting disrobed 😵

What I couldn't understand was Bhishma ridiculed Arjun when he talked of war and Pitamah blamed Ps for what happened. What a futile last minute attempt to ask Ps to forget whatever happened as Dhrity had 'returned' everything to them.

And I don't even know if this BRC's distortion or the real text😆

In none of the texts I have read I found even a single elder condemning what Yudhishtir do.

Even Draupadi didn't blame Yudhishtir for staking her or his rights to stake or lose her. Her only argument was that it Yudhishtir had lost himself before staking her then that stake didn't count

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Thankyou for confirming. Even I was of the view that Dhritrashtra didn't force him to continue, but I did read somewhere that Yudhishtir was completely numb after having lost Indraprasth.

People do try to justify this act of Yudhishtir by various means but I don't think there can be any excuse unless he at least once said that lets stop I agree that I lost the game. He knew his biggest well wisher Vidur ji was repeatedly requesting to stop the game, still he didn't even for once say that ok let's end the game.

On Draupadi's stake though I think he didn't have much option, he was already a Das of Duryodhan by then and Duryodhan did ask to stake Draupadi, he couldn't have disobeyed his master being the slave

Yes. Well at least as per KMG he doesn't show much signs of stopping. I believe he was obsessed with betting. You see, even after all this he still agreed to play another game and went for that 14 year exile. Imagine being so humiliated and yet agreeing for another game. No excuses for being an obsessed King!

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

And sabse Badi baat bhaiyon ko do minute me stake Kar Diya bete Prativindhya ko bacha Gaya.

Baised Dharmraaj

I don't know how he could do that without even asking them. Besides, Draupadi was not his wife alone, he still put her on bet without asking his brothers. I accept he was a daas of Duryodhan, but Draupadi was not "his" alone. I don't see how brothers are a part of his property either but okay, accepting that as a "parampara" Of the Dwapar Yug.

Originally posted by: CaptainSpark

Yes. Well at least as per KMG he doesn't show much signs of stopping. I believe he was obsessed with betting. You see, even after all this he still agreed to play another game and went for that 14 year exile. Imagine being so humiliated and yet agreeing for another game. No excuses for being an obsessed King!

Gambling is an addiction. Even Maharaja Nal was obsessed in the Satyug ye to fir bhi Dwapar Yug me the