Sept 3rd: Kisne bola gussa karne waale log achhe nahin hote? - Page 2

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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: AreYaar

Aww thank you so much for the warm welcome🤗

Haha yes, I've only been posting in the CG cuz I was avoiding spoilers and I was gif-ing as I went alone.....lol....finally caught up to all the epis today so felt like I could join the main discussions :)

Babita's guilt is universal....especially for women....we all feel it to different degrees because society has been designed precisely to make a woman feel guilty for being anything less than a model of silent suffering....she is constantly berated for speaking her mind.

Babita's case especially speaks to the difference between a beti and a bahu.....no matter how "modern", how "evolved" society gets, that difference persists.....a DIL is generally expected to suck it up no matter how wronged she is....for the sake of the "greater good". Babita too did this...for many years....because that is what she was taught by her own mom, by society, then by her MIL.....it's social conditioning that Babita is struggling with on an elemental level.....many women do....but their situations generally don't turn as dire as Babita's so they spend their entire life reconciling and making peace with this status quo.....Babita's circumstances took her off the beaten path....turned her world upside down....and she was forced to confront these emotions within herself....question the status quo that has conditioned her to strive to be a perfect beti, bahu, woman who can do no wrong, think no wrong. No wonder she feels so fragmented inside....and struggles with guilt if she finds herself lacking in living up to the ideal of "goodness" that is expected from a good bahu/woman in general.

My heart went out to her in this scene as she repeated again and again, "I'm not as good as you think I am"....how low must a self-esteem be, how low her self-worth must be after being battered for so many years that she feels GUILTY about wanting to answer back to the people who've berated her for so many years.....

Anger is a destructive emotion, true....but it should not cause a person to start questioning their very self-worth if they feel anger in some moments....and that is why I just loved the way Hanuman so sweetly told her that being angry doesn't mean she isn't a good person....I wish that convo could have continued....sigh....lol

I feel it's very cathartic as a viewer to travel this journey with Babita.....there's some degree of emotion we can all connect to....especially as women....especially those moments that aren't considered "likeable" to show on a woman.....where she can be hurtful to people....but I feel it is so very necessary to show those scenes too in this evolution for Babita.....for how will the impact come through if we don't first address those very human emotions.....

Babita is the epitome of the repressed Indian woman in many ways....a woman who was married off very early and expected to make her husband and in-laws her world....which she did....and lost herself somewhere along the way.....so how can it ever be easy for a woman who spent 17 years losing herself to find herself, her emotions, her sense of reality back so easily? There are bound to be scars....ugly scars that are hard to look at....but must be faced....you can't heal if you don't even face your scars first.

LOLL, I went through the CG and got teary eyed after looking at some of them. It's true a testament to the CVs when gifs alone are able to move a person to tears.

Yeahh, and the thing is if we try to break out of this conditioning then we're presented in a negative light. Arrogance, modernity and other such words then come to define us instead.

Again, I'm not a bahu and I don't think I'm qualified to speak about myself as a beti since everything is subjective in my lens. But honestly, kudos to Babita for keeping her mouth shut for 17 years. I have no idea how she did it but I seriously applaud that resilience. If it were me, I would have snapped a long time ago. I understand the whole notion of keeping peace in the family, respecting one another and living harmoniously but that job doesn't belong to the bahu alone. It's a whole team effort.

Mine did as well. This is why I'm so happy that she has someone like HS in her life. He's giving her the space to let out all her frustrations and grievances without having to fear any sort of judgment. I wished the conversation had gone longer too. Not just for the characters, but for myself. smiley36 I really felt like I was learning a lot from them. At times, I felt like I was Babita.

The one thing I appreciated the most about HS is when he told Babita that he didn't like her because she's good or bad. He just likes her. I was reflecting my previous opinion on her where I was constantly wondering why he likes her. What did he see in Babita, that made him fall in love with her? But then, that was the whole point wasn't it? He didn't fall in love with a singular quality of hers. Neither did she do something so magnanimous that will make everyone go head over heels for her. No, she was just Babita living her life, one day at a time. And in these small moments, whatever glimpses he was able to have, he just fell in love.

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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: asmaanixx

The one thing I appreciated the most about HS is when he told Babita that he didn't like her because she's good or bad. He just likes her. I was reflecting my previous opinion on her where I was constantly wondering why he likes her. What did he see in Babita, that made him fall in love with her? But then, that was the whole point wasn't it? He didn't fall in love with a singular quality of hers. Neither did she do something so magnanimous that will make everyone go head over heels for her. No, she was just Babita living her life, one day at a time. And in these small moments, whatever glimpses he was able to have, he just fell in love.

Beautifully put :)

LOL I just finished writing a whole other thread about Hanuman's feelings for Babita where I spoke about some of this, but I'll add a bit here as well....

I feel HS was initially drawn to her sense of delicate grace and warmth....simple acts like her cooking a meal and sending it for him touched his heart....because he is a simple man at heart and these gestures move him....Babita herself is a nurturer....I think he's drawn to that part of her as well....she strives to nurture all those around her...with food, with warmth....these were the initial things....but as you said, bit by bit, he grew to love her in every form....the courageous, strong Babita that bloomed eventually made an even stronger place in his heart.

Ultimately, I'd say Babita gives him a sense of home....sukoon...the way he closes his eyes so many times when he's moved by something she does.....that is what he's fallen in love with.

I don't think Babita really has an idea about why loves her....that is why she grapples with self-doubt....she hasn't reached the point of being able to see herself through his eyes.....of being able to comfortably bask in the security of that kind of love.

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Posted: 6 years ago
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I say Hanuman fell for babita bit by bit because of how she used to take care of everything and everyone. After so many years of being alone... When she came around he did not realize but he craved to be taken care of. You remember moments like when Vikas Khanna had come or when she was chatting with bill at night. He grew so possessive of her. Another reason he loves her is that she is his daughter's mother. With that Hanuman loves the feeling of being responsible. He has someone to come back home to

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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: Cinnamon_Kisses

I say Hanuman fell for babita bit by bit because of how she used to take care of everything and everyone. After so many years of being alone... When she came around he did not realize but he craved to be taken care of. You remember moments like when Vikas Khanna had come or when she was chatting with bill at night. He grew so possessive of her. Another reason he loves her is that she is his daughter's mother. With that Hanuman loves the feeling of being responsible. He has someone to come back home to

Yep, exactly. Babita and Mini together give him a sense of home......that is what he's fallen in love with.

I feel all three of them grew possessive of each other simultaneously....lol even Mini would get upset with Hanuman if he wasn't home sometimes when she needed him....so they've all found their home and family in each other simultaneously.

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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: AreYaar

Beautifully put :)

LOL I just finished writing a whole other thread about Hanuman's feelings for Babita where I spoke about some of this, but I'll add a bit here as well....

I feel HS was initially drawn to her sense of delicate grace and warmth....simple acts like her cooking a meal and sending it for him touched his heart....because he is a simple man at heart and these gestures move him....Babita herself is a nurturer....I think he's drawn to that part of her as well....she strives to nurture all those around her...with food, with warmth....these were the initial things....but as you said, bit by bit, he grew to love her in every form....the courageous, strong Babita that bloomed eventually made an even stronger place in his heart.

Ultimately, I'd say Babita gives him a sense of home....sukoon...the way he closes his eyes so many times when he's moved by something she does.....that is what he's fallen in love with.

I don't think Babita really has an idea about why loves her....that is why she grapples with self-doubt....she hasn't reached the point of being able to see herself through his eyes.....of being able to comfortably bask in the security of that kind of love.

I just read and commented on it! It's truly another beautiful post. :)

After the massive tragedy HS went through, having someone like Babita enter his life was nothing less than a blessing. To be showered with that kind of warm love and then to have it go away will be akin to a death sentence for HS.

He has told her that he just loves her but it won't be easy for her to understand exactly what that means. HS' love is at the soul level. There's no reason to it; it just is. And in some ways, I think Babita has that for HS too but in order for it to be understood completely, her insecurities will have to first be tackled one at a time.

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Posted: 6 years ago
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This aspect is bringing out a lot of personal stories😆

I too can relate to this very easily as this is something I've been witnessing quite a few times.

Wonderful post!👏

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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: Mishti_Dahi

This aspect is bringing out a lot of personal stories😆

I too can relate to this very easily as this is something I've been witnessing quite a few times.

Wonderful post!👏

LOLL, baaki ka pata ni par mein toh baat baat par personal ho jaati hoon. 😆

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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: asmaanixx

LOLL, baaki ka pata ni par mein toh baat baat par personal ho jaati hoon. 😆

I somehow don't have the guts yet to speak out the life tales aloud. Maybe it ain't that bad after all!

Accha hai naa, sabka Amrit Manthan ho raha hai😉😆

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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: Mishti_Dahi

I somehow don't have the guts yet to speak out the life tales aloud. Maybe it ain't that bad after all!

Accha hai naa, sabka Amrit Manthan ho raha hai😉😆

Don't feel like you have to! We all have our own way of opening up. Tere bhi ek din time aaye ga. 😎

I think it's easier for me to speak up because you're all from different walks of life. The various perspectives give me food for thought and help me to make sense of things. Moreover, whatever's being shown in PB is actually quite complicated. There are still a few things that I don't understand but hearing everyone's thoughts and opinions helps me out.

Haha, yess!! I truly feel like by the time the show wraps up, we all would come out of it being a better version of ourselves.

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Posted: 6 years ago
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Loved this post. Will definitely write a detailed response later on.

Welcome here, and please do keep them coming!

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