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Mauli is not realistic or she is one dimensional and she is typical itv bahu

I don't agree with any of this -

Unrealistic - Most people say that no woman would work and take care of household and not complain. Well, it is wrong. I have seen many career oriented women in real life who love their personal and professional life, they live it. It's not difficult to maintain a balance in every aspect, she is not superwoman, her husband did leave her for a woman, who'd obey his commands and cook for him and shower him with attention, have no life of her own. My Hindi teacher in school is a 45 year old woman, she has an 18 year old son, a few days ago we were chatting and the concept of marriage came up, she told us that she completed her research work before she got married, there is a period in which thesis is evaluated and degree is awarded, in this period she got married and within 3 months she realized that she is pregnant. She was 6 months pregnant when she got her PhD degree but she couldn't work due to her pregnancy. After one year she got this interview with a college for post of assistant professor but before interview her son fell from the bed and she couldn't make herself leave the child for her career. After a few years when her son was old enough she applied in our school for lecturer's post and got the job. Now she handles the job, she has to teach us, evaluate our papers and she gets additional work load of school, then she goes home, she tells us that when she leave school premises she is thinking about what she's going to cook tonight and if there is enough grocery to cook it, then she'll pick up the grocery and vegetables. She wakes up every morning, gets ready for college and waits for her son to come out of his bath so she can give him hot chapatis, it's not because he is fussy but she knows that he doesn't like cold food.

Thats just one woman, there are many lady teachers in my school and most of them have kids and I often hear them talking about their family. The point is that you can't limit women saying a woman who takes responsibility is unreal, because you see when we have so many people giving up with little efforts there are equal number of people who don't give up, they do what they want and love what they do.

One dimensional - This Mauli being a married career oriented woman doesn't resonate with me, I connected with a Mauli, who had mother issues, a Mauli, who tries to please everyone around her because she needs an assurance that she is important for people that they are happy with her, she tries to hard to be accepted. I don't find that one dimensional. When Rajdeep harassed her, she like any other woman slapped him and told Nandini about it, Nandini believed Rajdeep that Mauli is jealous of her house so Mauli left. The one dimensional ideal character would have fought to keep Nandini away from rajdeep but there I connected with Mauli, when I tell my best friend that her fianc tried to harass me and she'll choose him stating that I am jealous, I'll leave be damned with her.
Mauli's actions never lead to anything negative, how many of us real people hurt people who love us for sake of being real? I don't understand why loyalty and trust are treated like ideal gasses which are nonexistent. Mauli is good with people who matter to her and she's bad with people who are enemy. That's how we react no? Or am I supposed to drive my brother's girlfriend away because I am feeling a tad bit unrealistic lately?

Typical TV Bahu - This is ridiculous, she is nothing like TV bahus, if she was I would have been relieved that they won't butcher her but I am not because here the typical bahu is Nandini. Who used to wear dress before marriage, started wearing Sarees after marriage (How realistic is that? I have never seen a woman who wouldn't wear anything else than Sarees), where story is twisted to show that she can't be wrong, she is blamed by everyone but she is tyag ki murti.


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Posted: 7 years ago
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Apparantly if you havent tried sleeping your bffs hubby you dont have enough grey in you to be realistic .
Mouli is very realistic. She is just a positive person who hahaalsos also earned success at work and home. funny how we KuNan crictics get taunts thrown at us that we are angry and sad irl yet KunNan worshipper believe that people being positive and succesful is unrealistic. Ironic.

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Originally posted by: looseseal

Apparantly if you havent tried sleeping your bffs hubby you dont have enough grey in you to be realistic .

Mouli is very realistic. She is just a positive person who hahaalsos also earned success at work and home. funny how we KuNan crictics get taunts thrown at us that we are angry and sad irl yet KunNan worshipper believe that people being positive and succesful is unrealistic. Ironic.



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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: looseseal

Apparantly if you havent tried sleeping your bffs hubby you dont have enough grey in you to be realistic .

Mouli is very realistic. She is just a positive person who hahaalsos also earned success at work and home. funny how we KuNan crictics get taunts thrown at us that we are angry and sad irl yet KunNan worshipper believe that people being positive and succesful is unrealistic. Ironic.

Well but which of you calls Nandini realistic aniway? I thought she was most unrelatable character of the show from day one according to Mauli fans? And it is mostly Mauli fans who are having an issue with Mauli "being butchered" by the Cvs not "Kunan" fans as you put it. Also you don't have to pine for a man that cheated on you to be realistic. Lots of women get cheated on even as we speak. It us upto each one of these women as to what they become. They could either become a role model for the rest of the world by moving on and never wanting to stare at their cheaters face ever again or they could pine and whine for him and want him back. You decide whether you want to be the victim or the hero of your life. While Mauli started off incredibly strong she seems to have wavered at the moment wanting Kunal to come back to her. That is what I notice is pissing off most of her fans as they want her to move on with a new guy because every cheated woman's goal should be to find a new hot guy and move on with him supposedly. Your grievances are unfortunately misdirected.
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Well but which of you calls Nandini realistic aniway? I thought she was most unrelatable character of the show from day one according to Mauli fans? And it is mostly Mauli fans who are having an issue with Mauli "being butchered" by the Cvs not "Kunan" fans as you put it. Also you don't have to pine for a man that cheated on you to be realistic. Lots of women get cheated on even as we speak. It us upto each one of these women as to what they become. They could either become a role model for the rest of the world by moving on and never wanting to stare at their cheaters face ever again or they could pine and whine for him and want him back. You decide whether you want to be the victim or the hero of your life. While Mauli started off incredibly strong she seems to have wavered at the moment wanting Kunal to come back to her. That is what I notice is pissing off most of her fans as they want her to move on with a new guy because every cheated woman's goal should be to find a new hot guy and move on with him supposedly. Your grievances are unfortunately misdirected.

I think Mauli is very realistic. Yes she's a working professional married woman. In this day and age most wives do work because the cost of living is so high..and even when we're working, we still have to do our household chores, cook and clean and see to the children..so at present times we women are all superwomen..having a career and still seeing to our family. Yes not all of us live wIth our in laws and extended family ...lots of us just live with our husbands and children. And when she found out about the affair she was so upset that she wanted a divorce straightaway. But like most wives in real life she's trying to save her marriage now because she invested so much into it. It would have been unrealistic if she had said ok nandini , you can have my husband and go live happily. So she's fighting . But she'll eventus realize that he's not worth it . The character who appears unrealistic to me is nandini...she's not working so where does she get money from. She tolerated so much abuse from her husband ...physical, verbal..he has affairs with other women...he made her. Dress up like a call girl and tried to use her to make deals with other men..he degraded her so much and she had made no attempt to leave him until her friend got her out if the situation . In fact she was still trying to be a good wife and please him even after he did all of the above.. We know battered women take a while to leave ...but nandini is just too weak. And she is so ungrateful to her friend ...She so readily fell into bed with her friends husband ..I think most woman would show their best friends a little more consideration than nandini..
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Originally posted by: Indira1211

I think Mauli is very realistic. Yes she's a working professional married woman. In this day and age most wives do work because the cost of living is so high..and even when we're working, we still have to do our household chores, cook and clean and see to the children..so at present times we women are all superwomen..having a career and still seeing to our family. Yes not all of us live wIth our in laws and extended family ...lots of us just live with our husbands and children. The character who appears unrealistic to me is nandini...she's not working so where does she get money from. She tolerated so much abuse from her husband ...physical, verbal..he has affairs with other women...he made her. Dress up like a call girl and tried to use her to make deals with other men..he degraded her so much and she had made no attempt to leave him until her friend got her out if the situation . In fact she was still trying to be a good wife and please him even after he did all of the above.. We know battered women take a while to leave ...but nandini is just too weak. And she is so ungrateful to her friend ...She so readily fell into bed with her friends husband ..I think most woman do show their best friends a little more consideration that nandini..

There are several women who take abuse and not because they are weak but sometimes one is brought up believing that they have no identity without a husband or marriage. Instead of blaming the survivors if we started blaming the PERPETRATORS and the abusers we would actually be able to bring some change in our society. If we can give reasons for Mauli pining to have an absolute unfaithful disloyal douche like Kunal back in her life and understand her situation and need for Kunal why not Nandini's issue too? It is not that easy to break free from a marriage but what matters is she did in the end and broke free . This happens with even with the most educated women too. Zeenat Aman took abuse from her boyfriend and husband both. Rihanna took abuse from her boyfriend. Neetu Kapoor is said to put up with Rishi's abusive ways. All of them educated and well to do and still have put up with it..Why? What Nandini was portrayed as is also an uncomfortable reality of our society. It is something we are not exposed to on a day to day basis as compared to women like Mouli that we meet daily - the working married women. That is the reason it is easier to relate to Mouli than Nandini for many. For me I have seen violence and wife beating first hand . My experiences thus play a big part in viewing characters like Nandini. Nandini is someone that very much exists in our society even today but we may not be aware of what goes behind closed doors. So suggesting that someone like her isn't relatable can be a hypothesis but not a proven fact.
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I can't relate to Nandini and its not because I am oblivious to existence of domestic violence. Nandini is also a victim of marital rape, her child was murdered by Rajdeep and it's not something that you can forget in a matter of month.

I react on what I watch in the show, I watched Mauli literally fighting Rajdeep in hospital for Nandini, when Kunal was humiliating Mauli, Nandini just stood there because obviously Kunal is much more important.
I watched the scene where Mauli cried with Nandini, sat with her whole night then I saw Mauli broken and crying on the other hand Nandini was blushing and accepting Kunal's marriage proposal.
I saw Mauli jumping with joy over news of Nandini's pregnancy then I saw Nandini calling Mauli's baby a grahan in her life, she called Kunal's baby an ashubh saya
I saw Mauli informing Nandini about Rajdeep's advances towards her then I saw Nandini hiding Kunal in her washroom and lying to Mauli.

This is not about women vs men, it's about how ungrateful one can be and there is stark difference between Mauli and Nandini. Kunal is very much responsible for breaking his marriage but Nandini is also responsible for Mauli's current situation. Nandini could have supported Mauli but she chose a man over Mauli as she always did.

I don't want a new guy for Mauli, I wouldn't mind a man who loves her in her life though, I think she should move on, she should have her baby and that's it.

If they decide to show that Rajdeep's father abused him as a child and that's the reason he is a rapist, so does that justifies his wrongdoings? No matter what he should be punished, his father is not responsible for his actions similarly Rajdeep is not responsible for Nandini's actions, Rajdeep should come under a bus for all I care, but that's because he is such a vile man, but his presence in Nandini's life does not give her right to hurt someone who helped her so much.


Edit : I would like to add that how much time did it take Nandini to come out of this trauma? Not even a month, it's like it didn't exist and it has been over a month since Mauli got to know about their affair and you can see Mauli's condition.

Mauli is 3 months pregnant
Janmashtami was on September 2 means KuNan are in a relationship for over 2 months, so it took Nandini less than a month to forget her abusive marriage and fall for her best friend's husband, where is the trauma?
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Hi Dracarys. How have you been?

I can't relate to Nandini and its not because I am oblivious to existence of domestic violence. Nandini is also a victim of marital rape, her child was murdered by Rajdeep and it's not something that you can forget in a matter of month.

I react on what I watch in the show, I watched Mauli literally fighting Rajdeep in hospital for Nandini, when Kunal was humiliating Mauli, Nandini just stood there because obviously Kunal is much more important.

I disagree here. Nandini did tell Kunal to not discuss the issue with Mouli but he refused to listen. How much more can she do to stop him when he anyway doesn't give importance to her requests regarding Mouli? Also would Mouli have liked it if Nandini interfered in that conversation and told Kunal to stop in front of her? She did her bit but some conversations have to be made. Again I don't understand why the blame of what Kunal said to Mouli is somehow being twisted to make it all about Nandini again? Mauli was always outgoing blunt and strong willed. Nandini was always the docile and timid one. This instance was very much consistent with the characterisation etched for both of them so far.
I watched the scene where Mauli cried with Nandini, sat with her whole night then I saw Mauli broken and crying on the other hand Nandini was blushing and accepting Kunal's marriage proposal.
I saw Mauli jumping with joy over news of Nandini's pregnancy then I saw Nandini calling Mauli's baby a grahan in her life, she called Kunal's baby an ashubh saya

Again this is a case of twisting the scene to suit a personal context. Nandini never referred to the kid as ashubh saaya. She was referring to the situation she was in. If she really thought of it as ashubh would she be advising Kunal to go back to her for the sake of the baby?


This is not about women vs men, it's about how ungrateful one can be and there is stark difference between Mauli and Nandini. Kunal is very much responsible for breaking his marriage but Nandini is also responsible for Mauli's current situation. Nandini could have supported Mauli but she chose a man over Mauli as she always did.

It boils down to man versus woman because literally every person here has blamed and abused Nandini way more than they ever did with Kunal. The worst post I read here was justifying Radhikas shameful curses to Nandini. I mean are we that inhuman to enjoy a woman cursing another woman who just lost her baby in the most gruesome way possible to never concieve again? And that too for something her son was equally involved with? How is this karma? A woman not being able to concieve now should be celebrated as karma? Have we fallen that low in our battle against virtual EMA?

I don't want a new guy for Mauli, I wouldn't mind a man who loves her in her life though, I think she should move on, she should have her baby and that's it.

If they decide to show that Rajdeep's father abused him as a child and that's the reason he is a rapist, so does that justifies his wrongdoings? No matter what he should be punished, his father is not responsible for his actions similarly Rajdeep is not responsible for Nandini's actions, Rajdeep should come under a bus for all I care, but that's because he is such a vile man, but his presence in Nandini's life does not give her right to hurt someone who helped her so much

Is rape comparable to cheating DT? Is getting raped by the husband the same as getting cheated by him? Does rape happen with consent? Is rape so trivial that rape apologism is now being used as an excuse or argument in EMA related discussions. Let us not trivialize rape by comparing it with cheating. Forced sex cannot and should nev3r be compared to cheating. Kunal may be a terrible husband but he isn't a rapist.Kunal and Nandini are not rapists. There is a reason rape is a punishable offense of the highest degree by every law of every country in the world and not EMA. You and me both know why![/QUOTE]
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Alohomora -
Red 1 - Mauli fought for Nandini and Nandini says that a man who cheated on Mauli is "kitna acha insan". I am talking about what Mauli did for Nandini vs what Nandini did in similar situations. If Mauli had allowed Rajdeep to take Nandini when she was in unconscious state on hospital bed, would you have said the same? That why Mauli is being blamed for what Rajdeep did? I am not comparing two situation, I am comparing reactions of two friends. I think everyone would have criticized Mauli if she hadn't fought Rajdeep for Nandini that day.


Red 2 - she literally said that Mauli's pregnancy is a grahan, an ashubh Saya in her happiness, what's twisting here? Whose presence is a grahan for Nandini? Again you see the difference between how two friends reacted to news of pregnancy. Mauli was happy for Nandini and for Nandini, Mauli's pregnancy is a grahan.


Red 3 - But when has Kunal claimed to be a good man, when has Kunal said that he is not this weak man who fell for another woman, Kunal was bashed when he misbehaved with Mauli, he is bashed everywhere. But Nandini does not take responsibility of her actions where Kunal does. "Ham aise nahi hai" doesn't work with me and it's not because kunal is a man, I don't keep gender in my mind when I am watching these characters. EMA is virtual so is the gruesome accident, so is the character Nandini.

Red 4 - Do not twist my words, I have been very civil. Where did I say rape = cheating? I didn't compare rape with EMA, where exactly did I say that KuNan should be punished like Rajdeep? Didn't I say Rajdeep should be punished, he should come under the bus? Where did I say KuNan deserve same for cheating? I didn't compare rape and EMA, I said Rajdeep's actions are because he is a vile person and KuNan's actions are their responsibility, you can't blame someone else for Rajdeep being a rapist and you can't blame Rajdeep for Nandini cheating on Mauli.

Don't twist my words, I am not comparing anything.


My examples do not mean that I am comparing the intensity of two situations or characters, I am just evaluating their reactions to similar situations on the surface. Here I am only talking about Mauli and Nandini's friendship. In real life, I wouldn't judge the other woman or the husband for that matter because it's their lives and none of my business, real life is completely different from this show. Also Nandini's character went through extreme pain but there is no reflection of that trauma in her character. Right now, don't you think that Nandini who herself went through a bad marriage would at least understand Mauli's pain? But she doesn't and that's why I don't like her.
Domestic violence, rape etc are too big an issue here and in my opinion writer just used these issues as tools
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Originally posted by: Alohomora_

There are several women who take abuse and not because they are weak but sometimes one is brought up believing that they have no identity without a husband or marriage. Instead of blaming the survivors if we started blaming the PERPETRATORS and the abusers we would actually be able to bring some change in our society. If we can give reasons for Mauli pining to have an absolute unfaithful disloyal douche like Kunal back in her life and understand her situation and need for Kunal why not Nandini's issue with Rajdeep? It is not that easy to break free from a marriage but what matters is she did in the end and broke free . This happens with even with the most educated women too. Zeenat Aman took abuse from her boyfriend and husband both. Rihanna took abuse from her boyfriend. Neetu Kapoor is said to put up with Rishi's abusive ways. All of them educated and well to do and still have put up with it..Why? What Nandini was portrayed as is also an uncomfortable reality of our society. It is something we are not exposed to on a day to day basis as compared to women like Mouli that we meet daily - the working married women. That is the reason it is easier to relate to Mouli than Nandini for many. For me I have seen violence and wife beating first hand . My experiences thus play a big part in viewing characters like Nandini. Nandini is someone that very much exists in our society even today but we may not be aware of what goes behind closed doors. So suggesting that someone like her isn't relatable can be a hypothesis but not a proven fact.

hi in no way am I blaming her for the abuse. And the perpetrators are always to blame. I didn't mention the word blame at all. I just said she didn't leave Rajdeep until Mauli took her out of the situation...so she was not strong enough to leave after so many years of abuse. But yes women have to try to leave domestic abuse situations . And if she feels that she has no identity without a man that's also weak as she has no self esteem. And yes I do feel that nandini is a weak woman. And she's also immmoral And ungrateful in having an affair with her friends husband. But I'm talking about nandini who's a fictional character. In real life I have the utmost sympathy for battered women and I don't blame them for the abuse. And if lots of battered women were stronger to leave their Abusive husbands early and get help in time then a lot of murders would have been prevented as well. women abuse in real life is a very serious issue ..let's not mix it with this serial which is so badly executed.

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