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Originally posted by: LawlessLawyer

@bold,Oops!! Sorry I made a mistake.

I understand why it was not possible for Salim to marry Anarkali.But was it possible for him to take her as his concubine?She could have stayed with him though not necessarily as his wife.

Originally posted by: overactor

Like laila majnu, even paro dev were neighbos knew each other fot years before separation. These two met just what 2 days before. Growing up they should forget each other not fall head over heels.

True, ekta's JA was very accurate in terms of relations, that's what naatkiye rupantra should be like. The story may be fictional but the characters and relations intact.

Mughal history is so well known and they make such a joke by showing a very young Salima, maan singh as Jodha's brother, its creepy.

Originally posted by: LawlessLawyer

@bold,exactly.LM and DP knew each other for a long time which made their longing after their separation logical.

However these two barely know each other and its so weird to see them behaving as if they were BFFs since eternity😕

The kids needed to behave like kids.Their mature scenes were annoying af

And from whatever I know,didn't Salim had a pretty comfortable childhood? Infact he was so pampered that he took to bad habits like opium.And its not that he didn't have any friends in childhood so that Anarkali was his only friend😕

Also Anarkali is supposed to be a kaneez and yet behaves like the family friend's kid who can enter any portion of the palace🤪

Originally posted by: myviewprem

In mughals cocubbine is like wife only. Its next position after wife.

Cocubbine is just a bit lower in class or status than a royal wife. They can include a defeated kingdoms princess or defeated kings wives etc. And they are dedicated only to the king or prince etc completely all life. If their emperor or king gets defeated than the new emperor can take them in his harem. Like after Dara Sukoh was killed by aurangzeb, he took some of his elder brothers cocubbines into his harem to humilaite him. Some refused and were jailed. Cocubbine is not so big status as wife thats all otherwise she is wife. She can have her husbands children.

Cocubbine is dedicated to the one man (or you can say husband) only all life usually. They cannot change partners etc Its like unofficial wife. In modern terms its like second wife of a man, legally there is a first wife but than a man takes second or third wife whose not legal as per law but still she is his wife only.

Several men use Rakassa for pleasure so cannot be a cocubbine or wife of one man

Also Cocubbine will never dance in party or in front of other men, they are like wife so stay in ghunghat/parda only

And cocubbine will usually be treated with respect by the emperor/king kids. So Akbar dies does not mean all of Akbars cocubbines will be treated badly etc. They are like widows of Akbar only but status low. Akbars many children are from cocubbines only. So cocubbine is like wife only but husband cannot give her wife title because of her low status or because of society reasons etc. Akbar wanted wife status for majority of his cocubbines but religious rejected it saying only 4 can be real wives. Yet he had more than 100 wives all from royal families and mughal aristrocacy. He had 30 chief wives of which Ruqaiah, salima, Jodha, Rukmavathi, Nathi bai etc were some. He had another 100 wives who were also from smaller kingdoms and lesser status aristocracy. Above that he had many cocubbines.

Hope you understood, they may be chief wife, secondary wife or cocubbine but they are wife only

So no anarkali cannot be a cocubbine also to Salim because society shall not accept/approve

Pls read mughal women or mughal harem books

Originally posted by: overactor

Like laila majnu, even paro dev were neighbos knew each other fot years before separation. These two met just what 2 days before. Growing up they should forget each other not fall head over heels.

True, ekta's JA was very accurate in terms of relations, that's what naatkiye rupantra should be like. The story may be fictional but the characters and relations intact.

Mughal history is so well known and they make such a joke by showing a very young Salima, maan singh as Jodha's brother, its creepy.

Originally posted by: Shaavi

I found this in wikipedia for Anarkali --

According to the puranas Anarkali was a male dancer who was a gay and fell in love with the prince jahangir . This was the main historical reason why they were not allowed to meet and marry each other .It was first mentioned by an English tourist and trader William Finch in his journal, who visited Mughal Empire on 24 August 1608.^[2][3] The story was originally written by Indian writer Abdul Halim Sharar and on the first page of that book he had clearly mentioned it to be a work of fiction. Nevertheless, his story has been adapted into literature, art and cinema.^{[citation needed] 😆 😆 😛}

Originally posted by: Agrata23

Shaavi there is so many different version of stories about mughal era in different sites..I have studied till my 10th std about their rulling, principles, battles, their economic system, period of rulling etc..but not abt their personal life even in akbar nama there is no mention abt jodha bhai and also it states that mother of salim was a perisian..even one of the professor mentioned jodha bhai was not akbar wife she was jahangir wife..so waht i want to say is there is no proper evidence..anyway makers r already cleared its fiction that too anarkali story is fiction

I found this in wikipedia to know about jodha

There is a popular perception that the wife of Akbar, mother of Jahangir, was also known as "Jodha Bai".^[12]

Her name as in Mughal chronicles was Mariam-uz-Zamani. Tuzuk-i-Jahangiri, the autobiography of Jahangir, doesn't mention Jodha Bai, Harkha Bai or Heer Kunwari.^[12]Therein, she is referred to as Mariam-uz-Zamani. Neither the Akbarnama (a biography of Akbar commissioned by Akbar himself), nor any historical text from the period refer to her as Jodha Bai.^[13]

Salim's mother was referred to as a royal concubine of Akbar in the book "The Empire of the great MongolBy J.S.Holland. It is a Latin book written by Joannes De laet a Geographer in the year 1631 during Shahjahan's reign. Historian Vincent has an opinion that Delaet has copied it from certain reliable Persian chronicle, but certain historian doubt the authenticity of the book.

According to Professor Shirin Moosvi, a historian of Aligarh Muslim University, the name "Jodha Bai" was first used to refer to Akbar's wife in the 18th and 19th centuries in historical writings.^[13] According to the historian Imtiaz Ahmad, the director of the Khuda Baksh Oriental Public Library in Patna, it was Lieutenant-Colonel James Tod who first mentioned Jodhabai in his book Annals and Antiquities of Rajasthan.^[14]

"In the Akbarnama, there is a mention of Akbar marrying a Rajput princess of Amer but her name is not Jodhaa," says historian and director of the Khuda Baksh Oriental Public Library, Imtiaz Ahmad in Patna. She is referred to as Mariam Zamani (Mary of the Age). This is a title and not a name. It further says that Mariam Zamani is a title referred to the lady who gave birth to Prince Salim, who became Emperor Jehangir. But the name Jodha is not mentioned anywhere.^[14]

Professor N R Farooqi, a historian of Allahabad Central University, states that Jodha Bai was not the name of Akbar's queen instead it was the name of Jahangir's wife Taj Bibi Bilqis Makani the Princess of Jodhpur, whose real name was Jagat Gosain.^{[12][14][15][16][17]} of Amer (modern day Jaipur). She was the granddaughter of Raja Prithvi Singh of Amer. Rajkumari Heer Kunwari was also the sister of Raja Bhagwan Das of Amer, and the aunt of Raja Man Singh I of Amer.