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Hi guys, I'm Panchali and new to this forum. I've been following Prithvi Vallabh from the first episode and liking it so far. I find Mrinalvati's actions unjustifiable. She destroyed the lives of innocent Malwa people who did no harm to her, and yesterday, she was being a hypocrite by preaching Jakkala. She chose not to interfere in Kosha issue. She's burning with revenge. Can her past justify her actions? No. It just explains. I feel Mrinalvati is more towards negative. Please don't bash me for saying so, I've the right to express my opinion right? 😛
I love the show. Sonarika is awesome. But, only Mrinal issue is irking me. I don't want her to be seen as positive just because she's the female lead. She seems pure grey. What do you think? I want to know are there any justifications more I missed? 😊


I edited this post after discussing with few people here who changed my opinions. 😳

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Posted: 7 years ago
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Hello panchali! 😊 Great name btw.

And yeah yesterday when mrinal was telling jhakkala "Just to get ur revenge ur hurting innocents" I was like "Whoa! What about u?" 😆

Glad u made this post, I was gonna make one.

Anyway Mrinal is a grey character, but i don't think she will become negative or dark one as this is to be a love story...and when there is love in one's heart, they cannot be dark.

But yeah mrinal was being a hypocrite yesterday 😉 basically all her lines were describing her only 😆
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Posted: 7 years ago
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(looong reply ahead so excuse xD)

Mrinal's actions can not be understood without the context of where she is coming from. She is not a negative character, she is too multi-dimensional to be easily categorized as a "hero" or a "villain". Before calling Mrinal a tyrant queen for what she did to Malwa..let's not forget where she is coming from. Malwa is her enemy. The kingdom of Malwa came in sneaking to Manyakhet and brutally laid the royal household of Manyakhet to waste. And Mrinal witnessed it. A child. Singhdat changed after seeing the fire of vengeance burn in Mrinal's eyes. If his change can be accepted, if there's no one questioning him for changing into a peace loving king from a person who sneaks into unsuspecting kingdoms and killing the royal household when they were least expecting it...why so many questions on Mrinal changing from a girl who loved art into someone who shunned everything else for her sole mission - revenge?

Mrinal is hypocrite for lecturing Jakkala? No. And the reason of that is in her "lecture" itself. When Jakkala said "all is fair in love and war" , Mrinal quickly shot down that justification. The issue between Jakkala-Tailap-Kosha is personal. It's that of a wife-husband-mistress. An issue that is not related to the happenings of the kingdom. That is why Mrinal had chosen to step out of it and had Jakkala deal with her problems. It was Jakkala who abused her power and authority and made a personal issue into a public one. Mrinal had no issue with what Jakkala did to Kosha as it was KOSHA who was the antagonist in Jakkala's life. Everyone else was off limits.

Whereas Mrinal hitting Malwa like that WAS war. She had the backing of her entire kingdom behind her actions. Mrinal has raised Manyakhet to be a kingdom that thrives on war. It remains powerful by making sure there's no kingdom surrounding it that's a threat to them. Don't forget the context of the time period. Even the peace loving Malwa always has its borders secured lest they get under attack by any kingdom. And Manyakhet? Singhdat has been living in fear of retribution from Manyakhet ever since Mrinal hit his face with that dagger.

The kings and queens of any kingdom aren't a singular entity..they represent the entire kingdom. Singhdat hitting Manyakhet all those years ago..that wasn't just Singhdat acting. That was Malwa. Similarly Jakkala burning down all the kothas wasn't just Jakkala acting..it came across as a Queen of a kingdom waging war on her OWN kingdom because whatever her final role is..she IS the Rani of Manyakhet. That's why Mrinal called her out on her actions.

As for Mrinal being a "tyrant queen" just because she forbade art in Manyakhet to again...context. Mrinal and Tailap were the only two surviving royals after Malwa attacked Manyakhet. And both of them were children. Manyakhet must have lost all of its stability after losing its king. Had Guruaditya not stepped in..who is to say that Mrinal and Tailap would've gotten their rights as the heirs of the kingdom? Manyakhet would've gone into someone else's hands. Mrinal stepped up and made sure that Manyakhet's people were under no illusions about who was ruling them. That isn't tyranny..that's just how kingdoms are run. Malwa could afford to change its strategy and start promoting arts and culture by ditching wars. Because Manyakhet was the LAST kingdom they attacked..it wasn't the ONLY one. Malwa was already powerful whereas Manyakhet was weak. Mrinal made that weak Manyakhet into a force to be reckoned with. From an early age she got into wars so that no one could dare attack them in the same way that Malwa had.

Mrinal may be ruthless when it comes to war but she is NOT a bad queen. Her kingdom loves and respects her because they know that she has protected them from many dangers. Her kindness is evident in how she treats Vilas. Instead of chiding that young girl for her childishness..Mrinal actually likes Vilas' carefree nature and does her best to protect it. Mrinal can't be blamed for being a darn GOOD queen just because she is apt in the art of politics and art of war. She is only called the "negative" character because there is Prithvi who comes across as a too "positive" character. That shouldn't be so. Because if Prithvi can be excused for wanting to ditch his kingdom and live his life in the plain lands like a banjaara because that's where his heart lies..so can Mrinal who has forsaken all personal happiness for her revenge. The revenge which when she completes..she'd have no other reason to live for.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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I don't have to explain as 'lostmymusic' explained well above.

I want to add that we add taglines 'The Great' after kings like Alexander, Ashoka, Akbar and many other kings but Mrinal was an angel in front of them. They had actually destroyed the lives of so many people for their personal wishes even ruining the lives of many women. Also, Razia Sultan was not really an angel like she was shown in &TV show. She was also a manipulative politician in real history. In this show, we are shown imaginary bad past of Mrinal because Mrinal in books and movies was like this without any bad past. If she was shown like this in the show then most people would have still accepted her but some people would have bashed ger left, right and centre. Dear, if someone tears your favourite dress you become angry at them but here Mrinal's entire family was killed before her eyes when they were happily celebrating Diwali. What do you think she must be feeling at that time?
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Mrinal is a grey character not an out to out negative character as she has her own strong reasons for doing whatever she did.
First of all what Jakkala did can't be justified, and Mrinal advising Jakkala was on point because Mrinal is the princess of Manyakhet. Hence she is responsible for whatever is happening in her kingdom. For some personal feud of Jakkala she can't be excused for killing innocent women. Mrinal has nothing to do with Malwa vasis. It's the responsibility of Malwa's ruler to protect Malwa from any kind of threats.

Coming to what Mrinal did with Malwa. It can't be justified either. Because there is a difference between fighting a war keeping in mind the "war rules" against a king n his army n entering someones kingdom in disguise n killing innocent people during a festival in the name of taking revenge. What Mrinal did to many Malwa vasis was exactly equivalent to what Singhdant did to Mrinal's family.

But can mrinal be blamed for this? No ! Because of the circumstances which forced her to adopt such policies.
If u recall the first episode she fights war against the Panchal King with war rules but he tries to deceive her by bringing in African goons. Which makes her kill of the entire panchal army in the night.

We have seen her softer side with Vilas though the relationship is based on politics but her love towards vilas is genuine. Also she doesn't want power for herself but for her brother, she doesn't even want material happiness for herself. So yeah she is kind of selfless as well. Bottom line is she can't be called negative as she has these positive shades as well


Coming to comparing this show with other historical shows or this king Prithvi Vallabh with other kings. There's a huge difference between Alexander, Akbar, Ashoka (the great) and Prithvi Vallabh. The show's basic theme is "There are many kings who have their names inscribed in the pages of history , but there is one such King who is not even mentioned in our history books but his "thinking" is what flows through the veins of Indians or India. That's Prithvi Vallabh.
A king who doesn't fight to expand his kingdom to register his name in the pages of history , who believes in preserving art n culture but when it comes to defense he doesn't take a back seat either n gives back to his enemies.
Wherever it's possible, he tries to avoid wars, but if the other party doesn't listen, he fights with all his might.
Like he decided to give the throne to Sindhu because it's Sindhu's birth right. But if Sindhu fails to be a king, Prithvi will definitely come back...
N yeah it's kind of not wrong as well. India has been invaded by Turks, Afghans, Mughals, Britain, yet it has been able to preserve it's culture, art , music, heritage. So this idea of defense is what runs through India. N thats how the makers have woven the character of Prithvi Vallabh as the forebearer of this ideology n Mrinal as other King's of that era.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: bugsbunny12

Hello panchali! 😊 Great name btw.

Thanks dear. 😊 and Hi!

And yeah yesterday when mrinal was telling jhakkala "Just to get ur revenge ur hurting innocents" I was like "Whoa! What about u?" 😆

Same reaction. I was feeling embarrassed myself LOL, when she spoke like that. Was she blind or what?

Glad u made this post, I was gonna make one.

Anyway Mrinal is a grey character, but i don't think she will become negative or dark one as this is to be a love story...and when there is love in one's heart, they cannot be dark.

It is possible that negative people fall in love and have their own love stories. They are dark to the rest of the world. The makers though are intending to show her as a grey character, but I'm afraid they are going overboard.

But yeah mrinal was being a hypocrite yesterday 😉 basically all her lines were describing her only 😆

Exactly! 😆


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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: lostmymusic.

(looong reply ahead so excuse xD)

Mrinal's actions can not be understood without the context of where she is coming from. She is not a negative character, she is too multi-dimensional to be easily categorized as a "hero" or a "villain". Before calling Mrinal a tyrant queen for what she did to Malwa..let's not forget where she is coming from. Malwa is her enemy. The kingdom of Malwa came in sneaking to Manyakhet and brutally laid the royal household of Manyakhet to waste. And Mrinal witnessed it. A child. Singhdat changed after seeing the fire of vengeance burn in Mrinal's eyes. If his change can be accepted, if there's no one questioning him for changing into a peace loving king from a person who sneaks into unsuspecting kingdoms and killing the royal household when they were least expecting it...why so many questions on Mrinal changing from a girl who loved art into someone who shunned everything else for her sole mission - revenge?

Mrinal is hypocrite for lecturing Jakkala? No. And the reason of that is in her "lecture" itself. When Jakkala said "all is fair in love and war" , Mrinal quickly shot down that justification. The issue between Jakkala-Tailap-Kosha is personal. It's that of a wife-husband-mistress. An issue that is not related to the happenings of the kingdom. That is why Mrinal had chosen to step out of it and had Jakkala deal with her problems. It was Jakkala who abused her power and authority and made a personal issue into a public one. Mrinal had no issue with what Jakkala did to Kosha as it was KOSHA who was the antagonist in Jakkala's life. Everyone else was off limits.

Whereas Mrinal hitting Malwa like that WAS war. She had the backing of her entire kingdom behind her actions. Mrinal has raised Manyakhet to be a kingdom that thrives on war. It remains powerful by making sure there's no kingdom surrounding it that's a threat to them. Don't forget the context of the time period. Even the peace loving Malwa always has its borders secured lest they get under attack by any kingdom. And Manyakhet? Singhdat has been living in fear of retribution from Manyakhet ever since Mrinal hit his face with that dagger.

The kings and queens of any kingdom aren't a singular entity..they represent the entire kingdom. Singhdat hitting Manyakhet all those years ago..that wasn't just Singhdat acting. That was Malwa. Similarly Jakkala burning down all the kothas wasn't just Jakkala acting..it came across as a Queen of a kingdom waging war on her OWN kingdom because whatever her final role is..she IS the Rani of Manyakhet. That's why Mrinal called her out on her actions.

As for Mrinal being a "tyrant queen" just because she forbade art in Manyakhet to again...context. Mrinal and Tailap were the only two surviving royals after Malwa attacked Manyakhet. And both of them were children. Manyakhet must have lost all of its stability after losing its king. Had Guruaditya not stepped in..who is to say that Mrinal and Tailap would've gotten their rights as the heirs of the kingdom? Manyakhet would've gone into someone else's hands. Mrinal stepped up and made sure that Manyakhet's people were under no illusions about who was ruling them. That isn't tyranny..that's just how kingdoms are run. Malwa could afford to change its strategy and start promoting arts and culture by ditching wars. Because Manyakhet was the LAST kingdom they attacked..it wasn't the ONLY one. Malwa was already powerful whereas Manyakhet was weak. Mrinal made that weak Manyakhet into a force to be reckoned with. From an early age she got into wars so that no one could dare attack them in the same way that Malwa had.

Mrinal may be ruthless when it comes to war but she is NOT a bad queen. Her kingdom loves and respects her because they know that she has protected them from many dangers. Her kindness is evident in how she treats Vilas. Instead of chiding that young girl for her childishness..Mrinal actually likes Vilas' carefree nature and does her best to protect it. Mrinal can't be blamed for being a darn GOOD queen just because she is apt in the art of politics and art of war. She is only called the "negative" character because there is Prithvi who comes across as a too "positive" character. That shouldn't be so. Because if Prithvi can be excused for wanting to ditch his kingdom and live his life in the plain lands like a banjaara because that's where his heart lies..so can Mrinal who has forsaken all personal happiness for her revenge. The revenge which when she completes..she'd have no other reason to live for.


I kinda agree with you actually about the tyranny thing. I was wrong at that point. About Kosha, Mrinal didn't even hear out to what Tailap had to say. Tailap always saw her superior to him and never dared to oppose her. I thought she must have at least heard to him cause she's his elder sister. She might have guided him. Okay I'm being too a expectant viewer cause I liked this show after throwing many away. I half agree with what you explained about this thing. I know where she is coming from, but she have to understand the situation because of the same. She attacked Malwa. Many innocent people are dead isn't it? What if some other child's parents were also killed in process? What that child will do? She of course can't held hatred towards Manyakhet. She's a commoner after all. She can't take revenge. After going through so much, Mrinal should think about the consequences of her actions. She should make sure that none else suffers like her. But she's so self centred. Having past doesn't give you freedom to destroy innocent lives right? I heard many justifications of rapes by showing a criminal's bitter past. Having a painful past doesn't allow a man to rape isn't it? This is something similar. But I admire Mrinalvati so far despite all these.
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Originally posted by: angel_juhi04

I don't have to explain as 'lostmymusic' explained well above.

I want to add that we add taglines 'The Great' after kings like Alexander, Ashoka, Akbar and many other kings but Mrinal was an angel in front of them. They had actually destroyed the lives of so many people for their personal wishes even ruining the lives of many women. Also, Razia Sultan was not really an angel like she was shown in &TV show. She was also a manipulative politician in real history. In this show, we are shown imaginary bad past of Mrinal because Mrinal in books and movies was like this without any bad past. If she was shown like this in the show then most people would have still accepted her but some people would have bashed ger left, right and centre. Dear, if someone tears your favourite dress you become angry at them but here Mrinal's entire family was killed before her eyes when they were happily celebrating Diwali. What do you think she must be feeling at that time?


I absolutely Hate the so called great kings Alexander, Akbar and Ashoka because of the amount of the bloodshed they caused. They were cruel. Downright cruel. I'm sorry if I'm offending anyone. Compared to them, Mrinalvati is truly an angel. I can understand her pain, but not her actions. She caused the same pain to many children and parents too. That is what I'm concerned about. They are not royals but humans after all. See, I may sound strange because I'm more of a spiritual person. 😆
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Originally posted by: CutiepieAD

Mrinal is a grey character not an out to out negative character as she has her own strong reasons for doing whatever she did.

First of all what Jakkala did can't be justified, and Mrinal advising Jakkala was on point because Mrinal is the princess of Manyakhet. Hence she is responsible for whatever is happening in her kingdom. For some personal feud of Jakkala she can't be excused for killing innocent women. Mrinal has nothing to do with Malwa vasis. It's the responsibility of Malwa's ruler to protect Malwa from any kind of threats.

I agree. But for the pain Mrinal has gone through, she must think of those innocent people with empathy.

Coming to what Mrinal did with Malwa. It can't be justified either. Because there is a difference between fighting a war keeping in mind the "war rules" against a king n his army n entering someones kingdom in disguise n killing innocent people during a festival in the name of taking revenge. What Mrinal did to many Malwa vasis was exactly equivalent to what Singhdant did to Mrinal's family.

But can mrinal be blamed for this? No ! Because of the circumstances which forced her to adopt such policies.
If u recall the first episode she fights war against the Panchal King with war rules but he tries to deceive her by bringing in African goons. Which makes her kill of the entire panchal army in the night.

Agreed again. But she could have better with Malwa. That's it.

We have seen her softer side with Vilas though the relationship is based on politics but her love towards vilas is genuine. Also she doesn't want power for herself but for her brother, she doesn't even want material happiness for herself. So yeah she is kind of selfless as well. Bottom line is she can't be called negative as she has these positive shades as well

Now I totally agree. She's totally grey and not out to out negative. But not positive. Prithvi is flawed, more towards positive.


Coming to comparing this show with other historical shows or this king Prithvi Vallabh with other kings. There's a huge difference between Alexander, Akbar, Ashoka (the great) and Prithvi Vallabh. The show's basic theme is "There are many kings who have their names inscribed in the pages of history , but there is one such King who is not even mentioned in our history books but his "thinking" is what flows through the veins of Indians or India. That's Prithvi Vallabh.
A king who doesn't fight to expand his kingdom to register his name in the pages of history , who believes in preserving art n culture but when it comes to defense he doesn't take a back seat either n gives back to his enemies.
Wherever it's possible, he tries to avoid wars, but if the other party doesn't listen, he fights with all his might.
Like he decided to give the throne to Sindhu because it's Sindhu's birth right. But if Sindhu fails to be a king, Prithvi will definitely come back...
N yeah it's kind of not wrong as well. India has been invaded by Turks, Afghans, Mughals, Britain, yet it has been able to preserve it's culture, art , music, heritage. So this idea of defense is what runs through India. N thats how the makers have woven the character of Prithvi Vallabh as the forebearer of this ideology n Mrinal as other King's of that era.

I like none of those kings. 🤢 But Mrinal is definitely not like them entirely. She's a lot better. And Prithvi's character is really amazing. 😊

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Originally posted by: KalyaniPanchali


I absolutely Hate the so called great kings Alexander, Akbar and Ashoka because of the amount of the bloodshed they caused. They were cruel. Downright cruel. I'm sorry if I'm offending anyone. Compared to them, Mrinalvati is truly an angel. I can understand her pain, but not her actions. She caused the same pain to many children and parents too. That is what I'm concerned about. They are not royals but humans after all. See, I may sound strange because I'm more of a spiritual person. 😆


This show is simply showing right and wrong things done by people. This is not to idolize anyone. This is hardly any love story. I understand what you said but according to what you said even Panchami was also self-centered who should be hated. She made sure the Kurukshetra ewahapoen even after many of her loved ones tried to stop the war to avoid destruction and killings of innocent people. She wanted all 100 Karavas to due even when only 2 of them were culprits. Because of her many more innocent Ives were lost. Still all she was concerned was for her revenge. Still she is idolized like a God. But Mrinal is not shown in the show to be idolized except for some of the things.

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