Mrinalvati's actions - Page 3

Originally posted by: anshvi

Hello

Here are my 2 cents on Mrinal

Hey! 😊

The beauty of this show is that we have flawed, grey and real characters who are not pure white or black !

For me Mrinal is also grey !

For me, I love ideals more than anything else. And you are right, this is beautiful in its own way.

Mrinal is blinded by revenge...All she thinks about is revenge and beyond that often fails to look at things

She attacked Singhdant during a festival the same way Singhdant attacked her family years ago during a festival...A lot of innocents were killed during that attack...This we know was not justifed

She told Jhakkala that for one Kosha so many innocent women died same way for one Singhdant a lot of innocents died too

Exactly my point.

We also saw how Mrinal takes all of Tailap's decisions..sometimes she imposes them on him...He came to her when he was very disturbed and wanted to speak to his akka but Mrinal instead asked him to go on the war..At that point she was the warrior Mrinal and not Tailap's akka.

Yes. I too wanted her to act as his Akka at that time, in that minute.

She used Satyashray's alliance as a means to gain support of Bhillamdev and didn't inform Jhakkala about the same...On the other hand she refused to intervene in Kosha-Tailap matter stating that it was a private matter...But we do know that in those days alliances were done for political reasons...Yes Mrinal could have spoken to Tailap but again Mrinal stated her POV that as per her this was a private matter but she did give Jhakkala the right to deal with Kosha..So, in a way she was not completely wrong or right...She herself said that for her Mankhet is above all personal relations..So, we do know what her POV is and whether it is right or wrong is a matter of perspective...Like i personally feel that she should maintain a balance between her duties for Manyakhet and her duties as Mrinal towards her family... I personally wanted her to see how disurbed Tailap was..In that moment she should have thought like Tailap's akka and not Manyakhet's princess.

When she could take Satyashey's decisions, why not take care of Kosha issue too? Isn't marriage a personal matter, though it's political as well?She should have consulted Jakkala.

Yes...some of her actions can't be justified but we do know the reasons behind them

Mrinal is still living in the past...She is haunted by those memories when her family was murdered brutally in front of her eyes

All she remembers is them dying and the face of the man who killed them !

he is a woman who lost everything right in front of her eyes...and all was left was her little brother...Mrinal is overprotective now as she can't lose Tailap and bear the same pain all over again

Mrinal is a warrior who wants revenge...They day she lets go of her revenge is the day she will once again become Tailap's akka. Jhakkala's sister in law and that Mrinal who loved music.

What makes Mrinal grey are a lot of things

Agreed.

Mrinal is not a cruel tyrant...Yes she has banned music but Manyakhet has also flourished under her rule...So, it seems she is a strict ruler and does impose certain rules but she is not a cruel dictator.

Remember she gave full money to those Africans who fought for her and died in the battle.She even told Jhakkala that those who died were women ! Yes at the end of the day we shouldn't be judged by our profession...we all are humans...She does have empathy.

Yes, at that moment she was fully right.

Mrinal still keeps fast for his brother's safety, She does love him a lot and will never let anyone harm him...She cares for her family...she is loving towards Villas but it is the pain that she has inside her heart that prevents her from living freely

Mrinal did allow Jhakkala to deal with Kosha..unknowing of the fact that Jhakkala will take such a drastic step

See, her actions can't be justified coz of her tragic childhood but if she could be justified then she would have been a white character but Mrinal is a beautiful flawed and grey...That is the beauty of the character.

That is her journey...A girl who is blinded by revenge, who believes in the ideology of war will go through a journey and learn the ideology of peace, development, art and culture.

Yes, it's just a story. A journey of that girl. I hope they'll show the change on her well.

P.S.- For me Ashoka was called great not because he ruled India but coz in the end he adopted the path of peace and harmony...He adopted Buddhishm and was known for doing a lot of developmental work..It is his transformation from an ambitious tyrant into a peace loving man who believed in development that made him great in my opinion.

Ashoka the great, well had ruled India. At last, he adopted Buddhism. But the bloodshed he caused his entire life just don't vanish in air if he suddenly changes into a peace loving man. He can't bring back those lost lives. Something like Singhdant who can't bring Mrinal's parents back. He was not a saint as portrayed in some movies and shows his entire life. He only became one after the Kalinga war, and till then, he was a ruthless and an ambitious emperor who went on fighting wars. But compared to Akbar the great and Alexander the great, Ashoka was truly great. Lot better than them. 😊

Originally posted by: NandiniRaizadaa

Hi Panchali

I am new to this forum and i agree with all your points

All i can think of is that its part of Mrinal's journey

If she was doing everything in justified way then we wouldn't have this story

I feel the essence of the story is the change which will gradually come in Mrinal

Originally posted by: KalyaniPanchali

I kinda agree with you actually about the tyranny thing. I was wrong at that point. About Kosha, Mrinal didn't even hear out to what Tailap had to say. Tailap always saw her superior to him and never dared to oppose her. I thought she must have at least heard to him cause she's his elder sister. She might have guided him. Okay I'm being too a expectant viewer cause I liked this show after throwing many away. I half agree with what you explained about this thing. I know where she is coming from, but she have to understand the situation because of the same. She attacked Malwa. Many innocent people are dead isn't it? What if some other child's parents were also killed in process? What that child will do? She of course can't held hatred towards Manyakhet. She's a commoner after all. She can't take revenge. After going through so much, Mrinal should think about the consequences of her actions. She should make sure that none else suffers like her. But she's so self centred. Having past doesn't give you freedom to destroy innocent lives right? I heard many justifications of rapes by showing a criminal's bitter past. Having a painful past doesn't allow a man to rape isn't it? This is something similar. But I admire Mrinalvati so far despite all these.

Originally posted by: lostmymusic.

I understand where you are coming from but that's the thing about humans. No two people always react 100% same despite going through the same thing. Look at how Tailap and Mrinal reacted to the tragedy that struck them. While Tailap has some rightful hostility towards Malwa, we can see that he isn't as into the revenge thing as Mrinal is. He has more or less adapted Mrinal's revenge instead of the desire for revenge coming from within in inherently. Look at Sindhu. He is also Singhdat's son like Prithvi. He too was raised in a kingdom where peace was prioritized over war. But unlike his father and Prithvi..Sindhu is all about expanding kingdoms by waging war. Despite living in Malwa, his strategies of running a kingdom are very Manyakhet.

Tailap was not old enough to understand the situation back then. Thus Mrinal was affected more. My definition of humans is different. I'm more concerned about Humanity. And Empathy is one of the most important factors of humanity.


I can see why one would want Mrinal to be more empathetic to someone else's tragedy specially since she knows the pain of going through one. But that is not now grief works. That's not how human nature works. Some people come out of a tragedy stronger than ever. And some people cannot get over that incident and just make up this idea in their head that if certain thing would happen, only then they'll find peace. That's how they cope with their loss; that's how Mrinal is coping with hers. Does that make her a bad person? Not in my dictionary because I can't blame her for being human. And Mrinal actually doesn't want someone else to go through the same tragedy again. The thing is that the people she is concerned with are only the people of Manyakhet. She doesn't owe it to any other kingdom. That's the job of that kingdom's sovereigns. I'll again say...context. The time period this show is based in, that's when life was like this. There was no UN looking over the matters of the kingdoms and making sure kingdoms won't get into full blown wars on tiny matters.

I really admire the way she rule Manyakhet. It's just that when I put myself in her shoes, I couldn't digest the way she attacked without caring about the children who would lose their parents just like she did. Even Malwa was celebrating Rangotsav. The festival made their lives colourless.

You are free to not like Mrinal's actions...all I'm saying is that they aren't unjustifiable. If her act of killing innocent people of Malwa is so hard to digest then Singhdat shouldn't be allowed an ounce of sympathy as well. He, alongside his soldiers, also killed innocent people..one of them wasn't even born yet. The scale of his attack may have been smaller than Mrinal's attack but the impact was the same. But just because the show didn't show us the aftereffects of Singhdat's attack and instead gave a lengthy sequence of Malwa's people crying and begging Prithvi for help...somehow Mrinal comes across as the worse person. When technically..she is no worse than Singhdat. Revenge is not a linear line with an definite end in sight. Revenge is a never ending cycle..it goes on and on unless someone chooses to not pursue it. Mrinal didn't choose it, it's not her personality to not hit back when attacked. But that doesn't make her an immoral person. It makes her human. And, again, I can't blame Mrinal for being human.

Singhdant. I don't at all sympathise with him despite the change. He had already done the tragedy. I can see what Manyakhet gone through. But if Mrinal does the same, what's the difference between Singhdant and her? She hates Singhdant. She grieves the way he killed her parents. Why she is doing the same as Singhdant then? I can't blame Mrinal for being a human. I just blame the understanding she has about life. Humanity. It's need of time for us. That's why I'm just making a point that being human is not a bad thing, but behaving with humanity is a good thing. That's why Mrinal is grey. Her actions can only be justified from her point of view and half justified from common.

Originally posted by: KalyaniPanchali

Originally posted by: anshvi

@KalyaniPanchali

Yes that is what i have mentioed Ashoka ofr me is called great not because of his ruthlessness or coz he conquered most of India but for his transformation...From a ruthless king into an empathetic man who did a lot of development

For me Mrinal is flawed, she is grey , some of her actions are not justified but her reasons behind those actions are understandable and that is the beauty of the character

For me most of the characters of this show are grey and flawed...I had made a separate post about the same...Singhdant. Tailap, Kosha, Sindhu. Jhakkala, Vilas's mom all are grey and flawed...none of them at this point can be put in the category of white or black

That is precisely why I am loving the show coz of how real and flawed the characters are 😊