'Films like Dabangg shows woman as an object of lust' Ratna Pathak

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Mira25

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Posted: 7 years ago

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The title is misleading. She didn't even take sona's name, only mentioned that the actresses shouldn't take on roles that objectify women (she didn't even deny being judgemental here). This is not the 1st time the stereotyping and objectification has been talked about.

Ratna was just at her vociferous best. She imparted a good deal of knowledge to other participants, provided valuable insights into the ingrained prejudices, sexualisation, and discrimination against women within the industry and outside world. Speaking through her personal experiences, she highlighted the sexist nature of b/w, took a dig at patriarchal society and how women get molested in view of that. She was of the opinion that girls from privileged background and established stars should firmly take a stand and say "No" to the things they wouldn't consent. Isn't she the voice of reason here?

Portraying women as sex objects has far reaching ramifications from normalising stalking, harassment to glorifying rape. Women in positions of power and privilege need to put their foot down against the inherent sexism. We easily accuse men, but forget that until and unless women themselves stop their own sexual objectification their status is bound to remain where it is today.

PS - Sonakshi has indeed done worse roles than dabang that had far more horrific depiction of women in films like action jackson, R.Rajkumar, rowdy rathore etc.

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Posted: 7 years ago

#32

Dabangg was itself a parody of typical masala movies . If u count it as serious cinema , u are the fool

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Gujar

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Posted: 7 years ago

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Men are hardwired to objectify unless there's going to be some Eugenics program induction to alter the very basic nature of a man. Most of us have been guilty of touching innapproriately even as young teens, holding a girl a certain way very innocently and asking her to unlock herself from the grip playfully, saying there's dirt on her and rubbing it off for her while acting completely realistically. etc. Even bright colour co-ordinations on a girl, the subliminal symbology, the Hegelian dialectic extended application.

But as Marquis De Sade said 'In order to know virtue, we must first aquaint ourselves with vice' Then you grow, your innards in control you move on or should move on, mature, remain committed to a cause/relationship if you are that way inclined. Makes you the person you are today.

But the Barr e Sagheer is a different contextual subject altogether. Repression lack of education authority and discipline gives rise to and fodders sexual expanse. The result is sickening

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anjs

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Posted: 7 years ago

#34

Originally posted by: 2RsFan
Dabangg was itself a parody of typical masala movies . If u count it as serious cinema , u are the fool

Serious Cinema or Parody, It does influence the younger generation, esp young boys who are fans of Salman Khan... It you ignore its influence on young society then thats foolishness.

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Erika

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Posted: 7 years ago

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When nowadays Indian actors expose so much, still these producers and directors call foreign girls and make them expose and do intimate scenes and then then claim they have taken revenge on those foreigners. It's a shameful thing but it's not a case with today's moves but has been going on since the beginning. Also, Ratna Pathak may be right but her son itself acted in a movie where women were shown as objects and only worth for a night. Then why din't she stop her son from acting in such a movie? That movie was the most disgusting one of all. It's mere hypocrisy when one says something when their own family does the same.

When today we have serials like Bhabhiji Ghar Par Hai and Taarakh Mehta doing well where they openly promote infidelity, where is this going to stop? The traditions, values and culture are just for name sake and to boast Indian sanskaar when the thoughts are the same old ones. Ads are nothing less.

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Mira25

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Posted: 7 years ago

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Originally posted by: here4reviews
And for the nth time, ffs, please stop telling that these potboilers are just for entertainment and no one takes it seriously. Just because you don't, doesn't mean everyone else doesn't, so stop speaking on behalf of the innumerable creeps lurking in Indian lanes like a tharki Bollywood hero!
Australian man accused of stalking escapes conviction after blaming Bollywood
An Australian man has blamed Bollywod movies for making him believe that harassing women was a way of making them fall in love with him
Picture: ALAMY
By Jonathan Pearlman in Sydney
4:20PM GMT 29 Jan 2015
Court in Tasmania accepts cultural background a factor in stalking of two women by a 32-year-old Indian man obsessed with Bollywood films
A 32-year-old man accused of stalking two women in Australia has escaped conviction after arguing he was influenced by Bollywoodmovies to believe that doggedly pursuing a woman would eventually cause them to fall in love.
The court in Hobart in the state of Tasmania said it would not record a conviction against Sandesh Baliga, citing his cultural background.
Mr Baliga arrived in Australia three years ago from India and was accused of stalking one woman for 18 months and another for four months in 2012 and 2013.
The court heard that Mr Baliga, a security guard who arrived in Australia to study accounting, repeatedly texted, called and approached the women after a chance meeting with each and he had begun referring to himself as their boyfriend.
Local magistrate Michael Hill accepted Mr Baliga's claim that his cultural background helped to explain his failure to appreciate the seriousness of his behaviour.
Mr Baliga argued that he was passionate about Bollywood films and that he had been influenced by the common fate of the male leads to believe that doggedly pursuing women will eventually cause them to relent.
Mr Baliga's lawyer Greg Barns told the court it was "quite normal behaviour" for Indian men to obsessively target women. He said Mr Baliga did not appreciate that his conduct was criminal.
The court acknowledged Mr Baliga's remorse and guilty plea and ruled that no conviction would be recorded on condition of his good behaviour for five years.
The magistrate said the charges were serious and he made his ruling "after anxious consideration".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/11377511/Australian-man-accused-of-stalking-escapes-conviction-after-blaming-Bollywood.html

The social mind set labels it as a normal behaviour prevalent in the society or just a misdemeanor because that's what has been taught in the medium of cinema. Ratna rightly criticised the stereotypes and sexism that exist in the industry and its far reaching effects on women. Since I've already defended her statement on the previous page, don't want to put forth the same here.

In India cinema plays an important role in transmuting and influencing the lives of people. If one can get carried away by watching something in a meagre duration then imagine the impact of the overdose from years. The common man, in many cases not only believes but also puts to practice what the larger than life heros doing on screen. Bollywood makes them believe and emulate their screen idols. Insensitive/offensive content is normalised and accepted even by a section of the educated class of the society.

Misogyny, patriarchy, violence against women thrive in many social scenarios. The film industry is creating content that feeds the rape culture. A woman is made an object and seen gyrating among the lecherous men to songs full of obscene lyrics. Men are also stereotyped as a true macho man who assert dominance over the weaker sex and sexual harassment is depicted as love and the woman finally falls prey to the misconduct/stalking and reciprocates the 'love'. Thus the common masses tend to normalise and internalise the sexual violence. Is cinema only a medium of entertainment perpetuating such stereotypes and reinforcing the regressive values in the society?

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ajaajaa

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Posted: 7 years ago

#37

12 women killed by stalkers

https://www.scoopwhoop.com/stalking-related-crimes-in-india/#.ep1648o1r

Here's another from just this week!!!

https://thelogicalindian.com/news/stalker/

Can we stop pretending that this isn't part of culture?

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Posted: 7 years ago

#38

Originally posted by: ajaajaa

12 women killed by stalkers
https://www.scoopwhoop.com/stalking-related-crimes-in-india/#.ep1648o1r

Here's another from just this week!!!
https://thelogicalindian.com/news/stalker/
Can we stop pretending that this isn't part of culture?

Maybe mom and dad need to step in

Can these people stop letting tv and movies and athletes raise their kids 😆

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return_to_hades

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Posted: 7 years ago

#39

Originally posted by: blue-ice.

I don't understand it...how will Sonakshi saying no to a movie will change anything?? There will be a hundred women who will lap this role up for just being opposite Salman Khan...she should have targeted the people who make such movies in the first place...and we as the audience who create a market for these movies...why should Sonakshi be the martyr here...just imagine if not Dabangg but Lootera was her first movie...no one would have even known Sonakshi then...why do u want a woman to sacrifice her career...instead of a system to be changed😕

I agree that the target should be the makers of such movies as well as audiences who consume these movies. I also agree that it is not Sonakshi's responsibility to be a martyr.

But I disagree with the notion that one person's refusal will change anything. It will change something incrementally. Change does not happen overnight. Changes happen over long periods of time incrementally.

I think what Ratna Pathak is trying to say is that Sonakshi is not an outsider. She is a star kid. She has access to privileges and choices outsiders don't have. She is not compelled to do any role. She should use her privilege to take a stand.

Ratna's argument is slightly misguided and lacks nuance, but she is not off base or completely wrong either.

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return_to_hades

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Posted: 7 years ago

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Originally posted by: Gujar
Men are hardwired to objectify unless there's going to be some Eugenics program induction to alter the very basic nature of a man. Most of us have been guilty of touching innapproriately even as young teens, holding a girl a certain way very innocently and asking her to unlock herself from the grip playfully, saying there's dirt on her and rubbing it off for her while acting completely realistically. etc. Even bright colour co-ordinations on a girl, the subliminal symbology, the Hegelian dialectic extended application.

Let me shut down this apologist bullshit right here.

Every human being is hardwired to desire and lust. Gender or sexual orientation play no role in this basal instinct.

Objectification is different. Objectification is stripping of the humanity to see another human just as an object to satisfy the lust. Only deviants are hard-wired to do this. Otherwise, human beings have socially evolved to humanize each other, be considerate, and act on lust only when given permission to do so.

Everything else that you describe is the result of disparate and improper gender socialization. It is sexual assault disguised as innocent playfulness because we have been conditioned to view it so. It is not normal, playful or innocent though.

This kind of behavior tends to happen in conservative nations where adolescents and teens are forced to repress the sexual changes they experience and are forbidden to intermingle with the opposite gender. It is natural for adolescents to experience desire as their body goes through changes. If we teach them the importance of respect and consent from a young age and give them permission to explore their desires safely and maturely - there is absolutely no need for any inappropriate behavior.