Musings - Page 5

Originally posted by: Innika

So I read this post earlier today and I really didn't want to comment on it because I genuinely don't want to hurt any sentiments.

First off TM, this post puts your points forward quite articulately and very honestly, so kudos to you for that.

However, I don't really agree with you.

I've been born and brought up in Western society all my life, so I'm not really accustomed to very traditional values that Indian society covets. My parents and my sister are quite traditional though, so I can understand why Sahil hitting SSO may have hit a nerve.

I admit that i feel strongly about Sahil's actions due to the environment and culture that i was brought up in. If my brother or i did what Sahil did, my mother would have skinned us alive. Thus maybe people who are raised in different environments and culture may not understand the depth of my feelings towards Sahil's actions but that is fine. People's perception and reaction may vary and i am definitely not looking for everyone to agree with me, but just stating what i feel. 😃

Even though you mentioned that Sahil has been portrayed to be quite mature, has he? The only person that we've seen his 'maturity' with is Annika, and I don't think his conversations with her have really contained the sort of wisdom beyond his years that you are alluding to. He's been a good support system, no doubt, and he's been shown to be quite intelligent, but we've seen how he gives it right back to his Bua without any tact or consideration of the consequences. The aforementioned isn't exactly a resounding hallmark of maturity, in my opinion.

For the sake of your entitled opinion, even if we do say that Sahil is maturer than children his age, the fact remains that he is a child. A child, who has not had the guidance that only parents can teach, and with Annika trying to sustain a life for both of them, and Bua leering around like the witch that she is, where do you think he would learn values like these?

It is not my entitled opinion, in actual fact it is what CVs want to portray Sahil as, someone who is matured. If not I don't think they will show him having a man to man talk with Shivaay. Anika reprimanding Sahil on Bua is good, but the question is he still did not learn his lesson. The main reason Anika hits him is coz Bua is an adult and he hit her, injuring her. He may have acted without tact or consideration there and that is forgiveable, doing that for a second time is not. And supporting this behaviour is not good either. What if next time he hits someone in public due to his rage or has an emotional outburst gravely injuring the person, will Anika be able to save him then? It will lead to severe consequences.

I never questioned Anika's upbringing of Sahil, quite the opposite actually. Saahil's actions show Anika in a bad light. No matter how good of a sister, guardian or even 'parent' Anika is towards Sahil and teaches him right and wrong, Sahil disrespecting elders will always portray Anika badly. And yes i understand Sahil has had no parental guidance, but even Anika did not have it. Yet she has good manners and is cultured. Sahil is under her guidance and it should have been reflected, which is not the case here.

Perhaps, maturity is not the right word to explain Sahil's portrayal. Precocious would be more accurate. The way Sahil warned Shivaay, threw things at Shivaay and reprimanded Rudra during their conversations, that can be considered rude but he was shown as being precocious and "wise" beyond his years during those scenes. And right after his behaviour is brushed off as that of a child. If a child behaves rudely with ill manners towards adults, they should be corrected. Psychologically, this can be labelled as behavioural problems and kids will need to be sent for counselling as during later stages in life, they will have problems within their social lives.

When you said that you were confused as to why, Shivaay didn't retaliate, I was confused. You're comparing the maturity level of a grown man with an eight year old! If Shivaay had retaliated, that would only serve to portray him as even more of a brute than he has already been painted as. When a child errs, it's the adult's duty to point out their mistake, not fight back. Does his presence of mind really need to be congratulated in this situation? It's confuses me further, because you wanted Shivaay to yell and throw him out of the mansion. If an adult can't tolerate a child's immaturities, than that says so much more about the adult than the child.

I brought up Shivaay not reacting because the great Shivaay Singh Oberoi does not take crap from anyone. He has a vicious temper. I am excusing his behaviour towards Anika in any way, but with all the bashing that he got, it is unfair to not see that he made an effort to restrain himself from reacting, be it from guilt, patience or tolerance. I definitely did not portray Shivaay as being high and mighty 😆 I am simply saying Shivaay deserves some credit for not turning into SSO in that moment and throwing Sahil out of his house. Because let's face it, the old SSO would have reacted regardless of who it was that angered him. The SSO who made Anika agree to marrying him, if he had really wanted to, he would have made Sahil pay for hitting him which he did not resort to. Like you said when a child errs, it is the adult's duty to point out their mistake which is exactly what this post is about. A child hitting an adult is wrong, at least in my world where respecting elders is of utmost importance and if an adult did indeed commit a wrong, there are other ways to handle the situation.

As for Shivaay not retaliating, and no one else saying anything, I think that it's a twisted form of redemption. He's guilty.

Do you really think that he wouldn't retaliate, if he hadn't done anything wrong?

No, Shivaay isn't as high and might as you are attempting to portray him as, he's freaking guilty for all the shit that he pulled because all in all, it was disgusting.

Guilt i agree. Shivaay felt really guilty for using Sahil as a pawn.

Maybe this is terrible, and you, in turn may say, that I lack the values of our culture as well, but if someone put my sister through what SSO put Annika through, I would be baying for blood. I would like to think that I'm quite patient with people, but if I saw someone forcing my sister to do something she didn't want to, and hell, using me to extort it out of her, I would potentially be guilty for murder. I'm older, more mature, and this child is 8 years old. Blaming him for lashing out is pretty close-minded, in my opinion.

Ok let's agree that everyone will lash out if someone did wrong to their loved ones, how can we justify Sahil throwing things at Shivaay during the man to man talk? Wasn't it just supposed to be a conversation supposedly between adults, and he threw a thing just to prove his point. Wasn't that wrong? Or that is also considered a childish behaviour of a child who is trying to act as an adult.

LOL, you're actually comparing Dadi's reaction to Omkara to her reaction with Sahil. Omkara is an adult, Sahil is not. The Oberoi's are cultured, so its much more difficult for her to accept him hitting Tej, than it is for her accepting Sahil hitting SSO. Also, Tej has always been the way he is during that hospital scene, so his mistakes are quite easy to understand. But Shivaay? She's never seen that side of her grandson before, so she is more hurt than she was with Tej. As for her knowing about it - being told, and physically being shown what he did is very different, and ten times more stigmatising.

I agree Dadi was shocked and was traumatised. If Oberois are cultured, so is Anika, let's not forget that. Sahil is an outsider and Dadi has no right to correct Sahil but as an elder witnessing the whole scenario, if she still does not correct Sahil's behaviour maybe in today or tomorrow's episode, then it is wrong.

Also, everyone who talked about how Shivaay shouldn't cook for Sahil, because that's reserved for OmRu, really? For one, Shivaay has cooked for his family before, and Tia. Are you saying, then, that he won't ever consider Annika family? Because when you accept someone as your family, their loved ones become your own as well. You can't expect Shivaay and Sahil to have a good relationship if he doesn't end up treating Sahil as his own.

Shivaay has not accepted Anika or Sahil as his family. He still has not accepted his relationship with them. Right now he is filled with guilt that is making him feel bad for Sahil. How he treats Sahil has to be seen in future episodes but if you check IG Shivaay cooking for Sahil is not taken very well. There is a huge backlash on it. As for myself, I still want Anika to leave Shivaay and OM and not return back until she gets the respect she deserves.

I hope this made sense.

Originally posted by: JaiJaiIraniMata

bhaari chutiyapa bhara pada hai iss post mein...good sahil hit shivaay...aarya is sooo good...sahil's pain was expressed so beautifully by him...fail to understand how one can fail to understand sahil when aarya is so good...and it's not only about aarya's acting..it's about what shivaay the so called adult with good upbringing and pure,legitimate blood did...bhaaiyo aur beheno ke liye protective hone ka haq sirf shivaay ko hai kya? baaki sab ki feelings koi maayne nahi rakhti kya?

I did not question sahil's upbringing at all while watching that scene...in fact if anika has taught him to punish those who do wrong then I am happy with such kind of upbringing...shivaay deserves respect from sahil only because he was born 20-25 years before sahil?kuch bhi...aisa kiya kya hai great SSO ne to gain sahil's respect?