This forum is absurdly biased

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Posted: 9 years ago
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I am a very casual viewer and I do not want treat the whole forum as a monolith but this forum is so ridiculously biased against Shravan, it's almost funny. Suman was absolutely awful towards Shravan during their teenage years and for very little reason. She was superficial, classicist and displayed all the signs of a classic narcissist. This is not to say Shravan isn't problematic and needs to let go of things but people are so absurdly eager to paint Shravan as some kind of a monstrous villain, it's baffling. Shravan is actually a rather refreshing hero with a sense of fairness, yeah, it goes out of the window when it comes to Suman but he was literally in love. It's quite plausible that he won't think straight and has nurtured the resentment because Suman was kind of his "One that got away" person. There is such a blatant lack of nuanced discussion when it comes to Shravan, it's strange. Suman is not wonderful, she is just as problematic as Shravan, except she has kinda overcome her awfulness. That alone cannot absolve her from blame at all. Shravan has valid reasons to feel the way he does, is his response to his frustrated infatuation messy? Yes. But that is really the sign of an interesting hero.
In any case, this show is most probably following the narrative of Jane Austen's Persuasion and I am surprised nobody has pointed that out yet. Shravan is clearly the Wentworth to Suman's Anne. Sorry I will probably not be around to respond to any replies if I get any but feel free to launch a discourse war of sorts.

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Hi...welcome to the forum...
Biased ? This forum..? No not at all...
Here people don't hate Shravan or Suman ..but keeping their POV's & discussing on other POV's that's it..Everyone has different POV..we respect everyone's POV here...
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Hahaha hahaha omg
Dear are you serious...

For us this forum is [SHRAMAN]


No one are biased...

Representing different perspectives about the particular scene (just like party scene) is what you called biased...

No dear...,,whatever we may discuss about the episode /particular scene...
But at the end of the day...shraman shraman and only shraman...

Let's not make this forum battle ground
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Posted: 9 years ago
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@TM - We have a very peaceful forum & calling out to the forum members like that, is just going to create unnecessary fights, so I suggest we stick to discussing the content matter of this show.

I have no idea where you got this notion from that the forum is biased against Shravan. In fact, majority of this forum has actually been in support of Shravan for the past 2 days. Whoever that has spoken against Shravan has just one grudge & that is the method he used to get his point across. Other than that, his behaviour is absolutely justified.

Also, I don't think its about wrong/right between them. Both have them been right & wrong at various stages. Basically, for these two - every action has a reaction. Its a circle. Its difficult to come to a consensus on who started this conflict. Was it Shravan who fell in love with her first & then made her the centre of his universe? Or was it Suman who did not love him back as much, or because she humiliated him? Or was it Shravan's refusal to hear her apology & deciding to just leave? Pose this question & everyone will come up with different answers. And that is what makes their story so real, so painful & so beautiful.

WORD about Shravan being such a nuanced, fair, refreshing character. He is definitely been written with a lot of thought. I am bad at expressing myself, but I'll try. His character is a little bit of a paradox in itself. On one hand, there is the Shravan who humiliated Suman because of his inflated sense of ego that has come with his makeover, to drive the point home that no one can just take him for granted, the way they did 10 years back & that he's a full package now. And on another hand, there is the Shravan that still reeks of low self-esteem & is nerdy, unconfident & someone who doesn't know how to make polite conversations. But with the pain & void Suman left in his heart, he decided to change & become everything she wants in a man, or what everyone applauds in a man. If he truly had changed & become what he is appearing to be, he wouldn't go for such petty revenge. Clearly, he wants to drive the point home to everyone (not just Suman) that he's not the same guy everyone can take for granted.
A person who genuinely loves himself & has high self-esteem wouldn't do that. They wouldn't need to constantly prove themselves to others in such a pompous way, the way Shravan attempted to do, in the party.


Edited by prc_fan1 - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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^^ Shravan and Suman exist as two individual characters at the moment rather than some conjoined puzzle pieces. It's disingenuous to erase their existence as singular characters and the nuances in favour of some abstract coupling. What I meant to say was there is a distinct lack of discourse when it comes Shravan as a character and I wonder if this would be the same were the situations reversed. Bias is used fairly figuratively in this case which I have stated in my original post so I don't understand why I need to explain this again.
Also, let's not stop contradictory conversations when it comes to characters. That hardly makes any place a "battleground". I am sure people here are old enough to engage in an explanation of Sharavan's motivation. I wish to talk about Shravan as an individual character and not his potential coupling with Suman.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Hey welcome to the forum. I think I saw you in dym forum in early days. I don't think forum is baised all are expressing their povs. And there is some people who thinks what ever sumo did was wrong and shravan justified showing sumo what she was before. Sumo should know that how awfully she behaved with shravan. She can't get out it hurting a person who badly effected and hurted because of her behavior . I guess All are OK with it shravan showing mirror to sumo but the public humiliation could have avoided it. And I agree sumo hurt is nothing compare to shravan hurt. People are concerned he is planned and plotted but what he can do he can't say sumo that hello sumo I want to plan insult you in the party so come in time. Of course he will make sure sumo come to the party other wise. Well I am hoping that this show is different and don't justify sumo actions because she was young and ya she was typical daily soap heroine and what ever they do it all justifies. Suman was wrong period there is no justification. Suman young ya she didn't planned it doesn't matter end of the day her actions hurted another person and she have no right to do that. And I think shravan Aldi should not say that she is gold digger other wise it was OK the confrontation was much needed for both of them to understand to each other.

I really liked your povs in dym forum the earlier days. I hope you continue writing your pov in this forum too. It's good to have conservative criticism and good to read every one thoughts about the show
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Star_girl

I am a very casual viewer and I do not want treat the whole forum as a monolith but this forum is so ridiculously biased against Shravan, it's almost funny. Suman was absolutely awful towards Shravan during their teenage years and for very little reason. She was superficial, classicist and displayed all the signs of a classic narcissist.

And I do not want to treat this forum as an entity, but most of us disapproved of Suman because of that.


This is not to say Shravan isn't problematic and needs to let go of things but people are so absurdly eager to paint Shravan as some kind of a monstrous villain, it's baffling. Shravan is actually a rather refreshing hero with a sense of fairness, yeah, it goes out of the window when it comes to Suman but he was literally in love. It's quite plausible that he won't think straight and has nurtured the resentment because Suman was kind of his "One that got away" person. There is such a blatant lack of nuanced discussion when it comes to Shravan, it's strange.

And yeah, I agree about the part of Shravan being a refreshing hero and I don't think we tried to paint Shravan as a monstrous villian. As many before me pointed out, we rather like him.

Suman is not wonderful, she is just as problematic as Shravan, except she has kinda overcome her awfulness. That alone cannot absolve her from blame at all. Shravan has valid reasons to feel the way he does, is his response to his frustrated infatuation messy? Yes. But that is really the sign of an interesting hero.
In any case, this show is most probably following the narrative of Jane Austen's Persuasion and I am surprised nobody has pointed that out yet. Shravan is clearly the Wentworth to Suman's Anne. Sorry I will probably not be around to respond to any replies if I get any but feel free to launch a discourse war of sorts.


And we agree on your posts, no one is biased towards Shravan, no one hates him. As Sammy said, we just disapprove of the method he chose to convey his feeling.

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Star_girl

^^ Shravan and Suman exist as two individual characters at the moment rather than some conjoined puzzle pieces. It's disingenuous to erase their existence as singular characters and the nuances in favour of some abstract coupling. What I meant to say was there is a distinct lack of discourse when it comes Shravan as a character and I wonder if this would be the same were the situations reversed. Bias is used fairly figuratively in this case which I have stated in my original post so I don't understand why I need to explain this again.

Also, let's not stop contradictory conversations when it comes to characters. That hardly makes any place a "battleground". I am sure people here are old enough to engage in an explanation of Sharavan's motivation. I wish to talk about Shravan as an individual character and not his potential coupling with Suman.


So sorry I had edited my post while you replied. Definitely I agree with you that they exist as 2 individual characters but in the larger scheme of events, Shravan's core conflicts, motivations have been affected & brought about by Suman. And maybe a little bit because of his mother, who we know nothing about. Shravan changed & has become what he is today, because of Suman & for Suman. He's become the kind of man she always wanted, at least on a superficial level. And her rejection affected him to the point that he realised that he couldn't remain the way he was.
So, its difficult to discuss Shravan singularly without actually bringing up the play of events in the past between ShraMan & how she fits into his life.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Your right about Persuasion. I am surprised being a hard core JA fan I didn't think of it. Maybe because I have not read Persuasion in a long time. But yes, Shravan had his reasons for doing what he did. Just like Wentworth came back still harboring feelings for Anne but eager to show her otherwise. The same applies here too. The main difference is that they were engaged for a short time and Anne was "persuaded" to break off the engagement by her family.


The other major difference is that Wentworth was not rich, but when Anne and he met again, he was well off and Anne's family was having financial trouble. (which is similar), but here Shravan's people were always well off. But overall there is a loose similarity in the two stories.


I also agree that Suman's behavior during high school was really bad. However Shravan plotted and planned against Suman, so everyone is reacting to that. What Suman did was unconscious. She was unconsciously callous, but Shravan was consciously so! Hence the major difference. But I think the intensity of the feelings he had for Suman then and even now, is what is driving his behavior!
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: rekha.366

Hey welcome to the forum. I think I saw you in dym forum in early days. I don't think forum is baised all are expressing their povs. And there is some people who thinks what ever sumo did was wrong and shravan justified showing sumo what she was before. Sumo should know that how awfully she behaved with shravan. She can't get out it hurting a person who badly effected and hurted because of her behavior . I guess All are OK with it shravan showing mirror to sumo but the public humiliation could have avoided it. And I agree sumo hurt is nothing compare to shravan hurt. People are concerned he is planned and plotted but what he can do he can't say sumo that hello sumo I want to plan insult you in the party so come in time. Of course he will make sure sumo come to the party other wise. Well I am hoping that this show is different and don't justify sumo actions because she was young and ya she was typical daily soap heroine and what ever they do it all justifies. Suman was wrong period there is no justification. Suman young ya she didn't planned it doesn't matter end of the day her actions hurted another person and she have no right to do that. And I think shravan Aldi should not say that she is gold digger other wise it was OK the confrontation was much needed for both of them to understand to each other.

I really liked your povs in dym forum the earlier days. I hope you continue writing your pov in this forum too. It's good to have conservative criticism and good to read every one thoughts about the show


I completely agree! Suman was wrong 10 years back period. There's no justification for that kind of hurtful treatment to anybody period. She still has that ego, that narcism which is cringeworthy sometimes. But I guess both characters have their flaws which is what makes their relationship so much more interesting. I just think she needs to let go of her ego and sit down and reflect on how deeply she hurt Shravan. Both need to see where they mightve went wrong but more so Suman because its her actions that triggered his harsh reaction. I'm not being biased, I am just speaking the truth.

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