This forum is absurdly biased - Page 3

Originally posted by: ...FieryPhoenix

Hello, Hello, so many familiar faces out here...😆

@Red: I thought so too. But found a thread today which was refresing to read defending Shravan. So the forum ain't as biased. I feel a majority isn't able to see the bigger picture or rather it's easy to tag so and so right or wrong than having to defend the grey areas. Anyhoo, I am with you when it comes to Shravan and his frustration. I don't see the need for everyone to be the bigger person and let go of their hurt. It's fine when people act on it. Sure it's not the ideal behavior, but it happens. People act harshly at times cuz of their past experiences.

@Bold: Suman is still a narcissist, bossy, arrogant and egoistic. Only when it comes to her family, she's gets all timid and supressed. But her actual personality out in the world ain't very appealing. So glad to read someone also felt she's high on narcissism.

But like you said, both characters have their flaws. Thus it makes it interesting than having to see one act all idealistic while the other on the receiving end like it happens in every other show. So I am neutral towards both. If one is a villain, it's a manifestation of other's villainous act 😆

Originally posted by: Star_girl

Lmao we always end up casually watching the same stuff, it's adorable. But yeah, I probably should have framed it better but bias really meant an observational bias in this case. It's easier to relate to the female lead for the majority of women members and it's understandable really. What worries me is the erasure of Suman's extremely problematic behaviour towards Shravan while disengaging entirely from Shravan unless it comes to a discourse on shipping.

Suman was (is? idk) a classic narcissist and a bully, plain and simple. Her dual pattern of attitude against her family and others is still very problematic and worrying. Bullies never really grow out of their patterns of abuse and yes, what Suman engaged in, from whatever we have seen, was abuse at its most fundamental level. Childhood cannot and should not release her from valid blame which threatened the mental well-being of another person. It's extremely offensive to erase her abusive behaviour to claim Shravan's issues came out of nowhere. No, they didn't come out of nowhere. His lived experience with patterns of mental trauma and verbal violence is a major narrative point for his character. It's actually kind of amazing that they have changed the more harmless breaking off an engagement of Persuasion to a more valid form of plot point which informs Shravan's character.

Shravan, all said and done, was a victim and apologies cannot reverse his trauma. Unawareness and excuses of childhood cannot release a bully from their crime. It's actually pretty great to have a hero who has faced a very identifiable form of trauma instead of being the generic tortured dude-bro. It's also interesting how Shravan's character has thrived otherwise but is stalled in one significant area. He has PTSD, his character is dripping with his struggles with being good enough.

Originally posted by: MrDarcyfan

Your right about Persuasion. I am surprised being a hard core JA fan I didn't think of it. Maybe because I have not read Persuasion in a long time. But yes, Shravan had his reasons for doing what he did. Just like Wentworth came back still harboring feelings for Anne but eager to show her otherwise. The same applies here too. The main difference is that they were engaged for a short time and Anne was "persuaded" to break off the engagement by her family.

The other major difference is that Wentworth was not rich, but when Anne and he met again, he was well off and Anne's family was having financial trouble. (which is similar), but here Shravan's people were always well off. But overall there is a loose similarity in the two stories.

I also agree that Suman's behavior during high school was really bad. However Shravan plotted and planned against Suman, so everyone is reacting to that. What Suman did was unconscious. She was unconsciously callous, but Shravan was consciously so! Hence the major difference. But I think the intensity of the feelings he had for Suman then and even now, is what is driving his behavior!

Originally posted by: SS4MaNan

Bingo on JA's Persuasion connection, funny it never crossed my mind but now that you've pointed out, the analogy is pretty glaring. Shravan is right at his place. For me, his actions speak and point towards his feeling for her. Yes, Shravan has deep rooted feelings for her. He is a scorned lover. Do not expect anything sane from a scorned lover. When you see from his POV, one can understand where he's coming from. I won't justify his actions but I can understand why he wants this. He's still the same shy, introvert boy deep inside, especially when it comes to her. Suman is capable of bringing out his intimidating facade as she can see through him, he knows that and he doesn't want that, he's more afraid of going back to being that vulnerable kid that he was ten years back. This can also be his way of pushing her away, scared to put him himself out there, to bare himself in front of her, all ripped, again. This Shravan doesn't want to give her the leash.

Shravan is shaping to be a complex character and I want the CVs to explore more. Suman is pretty clear, as of now. She's a true-blue narcissist. And I want him to love her the way she is and vice-versa, They were dysfunctional friends and they can be dysfunctional lovers too. Push, pull and wander, but came back home to each other, be each other's, that ultimate person. Long way to go, let's see.

About Suman, there's no justification. She wronged him, but in the most known way. She was the Q-bee of the school and he was the shy nerd, things were meant to blow up and with a hidden friendship, things got uglier. Scarred the boy and shaped him who he is right now. Suman never bullied him, so there is no direct vengeance , this is just Shravan's yearning and longing for her acceptance even after ten long years. His ''did you ever try to reach me?'' that vulnerability in his eyes when he asked her, made it pretty clear.

About the Forum being biased, 😆😆 sorry no clue, for me Shravan and Suman are a single unit, that's how I see them.

Originally posted by: ...FieryPhoenix

Certainly. And hopefully the audience acknowledges that.

But the thing is, at the moment a lot are sympathetic towards Suman and if it turns out to be a misunderstanding on his part, only he'll go to become more villainous. While his issues and struggles shall get overshadowed by it all aka the victim Shravan won't get the validation, not like it's not happening already.

So I still continue believing if the situation were actually reversed, a lot of those trashing Shravan could have actually applauded the girl for getting back at the dude. Very few are gender unbiased especially given the whole "You go girl" trend 😆

Originally posted by: Lyla.Khan

UFF when he said that to her! "Did you ever try to reach me?" my heart broke!😭 That pain in his eyes! They were speaking clear hurt! no anger, no hate in that moment, just pure..hurt. Gah I love his character so much, so much depth. I really hope the cvs explore it more, it will be so interesting. And I really hope they dont make him into a typical male lead of hate love stories. This story started off unique, hopefully it stays unique😳

Originally posted by: SS4MaNan

I just added that point in my comment. Shravan is hurt but he does not hate her. I want the CVs to keep it that way and build the future tracks. Also I want Suman to be the way she is, keep it real. There are women like her and they're very much capable of love and can be loved. Please don't turn her into just another Mary Sue