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Posted: 10 years ago
#51

Originally posted by: chicksoup


KK,

Look at Haider from Season One.
None of what he did to Humeira was fair. He even slept with her with the intention of getting rid of her afterwards.But still he got the girl without paying for his actions...

Shaad- is a gentleman compared to that. I am not sure if anyone considered Haider a nuanced villain ever!😕 (We should have, I guess. We just did not bother!😆) Anyway, so far Shaad has been more respectable than Haider...He is just trying to balance his SK Mission and Jannat Return Mission and his own feelings for Jannat...He is a kid. He has to grow up. Let us see what makes him grow up.

IMO, Haider-Humaira is not comparable to Shaad-Jannat.

Why? Because Humaira herself made the choice of going with Haider and trusting him to the point of choosing to sleep with him. Haider did not pressurise her into sleeping with him or even trusting him. I am not trying to justify Haider but I really don't think he is as bad as and certainly not worse than Shaad. He had a reason behind what he did with Humaira (and I am not saying that those reasons were morally righteous), but soon he overcame his vengeance and thirst for revenge and actually fell for Humaira.
Therefore, even though he had every intention of destroying her life before, IMO his love for her allowed him to overcome those very wrong intentions. I think Haider was actually a very interesting character, very grey, but very nuanced. And I think he was justified in getting the girl without paying for his actions, because he was able to overcome all the darkness within him only due to that girl.
And I also have to mention the fact that Humaira was not an amnesia patient, and was fully aware of her own identity, and the identity of the people around her. Plus there is also that aspect of presentation. Haider's deception was always shown as just that, deception and wasn't brushed past and romanticised or made to look like some rom-com. Only when he realised he fell for Humaira and doesnt want to follow through with his wrong intentions, the situation was different. Correct me if I am wrong on this, but Humaira was also shown as reacting? So this simply does not compare.

On the other hand, Shaad is a man who did not give Jannat/Sanam any agency. He just picked her up from the street, like some rag-doll, for him to keep. I know I am sounding harsh here, but I am just telling it like it is. He did not give Jannat a choice and just assumed it is best if she stays with him. Isn't that an violation of a woman, plain and simple? His actions are only being shown from his point of view and are being made light of. No one but Shaad knows what he is doing. So the presentation in this case is very different to Haider-Humaira. Moreover, Sanam is not getting to react to this at all, and I don't think she will be shown reacting afterwards, when she finds out the truth. Sanam is not even aware of her own identity, so she can't react, because she is being spoon fed lies about her own identity and her husband's identity. Shaad's actions need to be shown for what they are, not brushed past all the time. He should be shown as believing in his lies and delusions, instead of his actions just excused by being shown as a person who is being cornered into a position which forces him to lie continuously.

Sorry for the essay. Hope I am making sense.
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Posted: 10 years ago
#52
KKN^^you made perfect sense up there. for the un-enlightened like me who had no idea and cared 2 hoots about Haider-Humeira(HaHu 😲 ) its is good to read the short summary.

it seems everyone is better than Shady...

I am hoping his important work keeps him away tomorrow too!

Another niggling worry - KV sure came back for a stronger Aahil... and we are seeing a stronger Aahil...but what if this tashan between Chuhil continues .. I do not have the stomach to watch the leads with villians for long.! hope Aahil quickly gets rid of Chudail and runs to Pak. I am sure he knows in his heart that Sanam is alive, no matter what the BSF says or said...
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Posted: 10 years ago
#53

Hey guys !!

Sorry a little swamped today. Couldn't post about last night's jasoosi episode. 😆

But I do think he'll remember hearing her voice on the phone.

Have to make a separate post about Aahil's awesome subterfuge last night...
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: KaanKeNiche

IMO, Haider-Humaira is not comparable to Shaad-Jannat.

Why? Because Humaira herself made the choice of going with Haider and trusting him to the point of choosing to sleep with him. Haider did not pressurise her into sleeping with him or even trusting him. I am not trying to justify Haider but I really don't think he is as bad as and certainly not worse than Shaad. He had a reason behind what he did with Humaira (and I am not saying that those reasons were morally righteous), but soon he overcame his vengeance and thirst for revenge and actually fell for Humaira.
Therefore, even though he had every intention of destroying her life before, IMO his love for her allowed him to overcome those very wrong intentions. I think Haider was actually a very interesting character, very grey, but very nuanced. And I think he was justified in getting the girl without paying for his actions, because he was able to overcome all the darkness within him only due to that girl.
And I also have to mention the fact that Humaira was not an amnesia patient, and was fully aware of her own identity, and the identity of the people around her. Plus there is also that aspect of presentation. Haider's deception was always shown as just that, deception and wasn't brushed past and romanticised or made to look like some rom-com. Only when he realised he fell for Humaira and doesnt want to follow through with his wrong intentions, the situation was different. Correct me if I am wrong on this, but Humaira was also shown as reacting? So this simply does not compare.

On the other hand, Shaad is a man who did not give Jannat/Sanam any agency. He just picked her up from the street, like some rag-doll, for him to keep. I know I am sounding harsh here, but I am just telling it like it is. He did not give Jannat a choice and just assumed it is best if she stays with him. Isn't that an violation of a woman, plain and simple? His actions are only being shown from his point of view and are being made light of. No one but Shaad knows what he is doing. So the presentation in this case is very different to Haider-Humaira. Moreover, Sanam is not getting to react to this at all, and I don't think she will be shown reacting afterwards, when she finds out the truth. Sanam is not even aware of her own identity, so she can't react, because she is being spoon fed lies about her own identity and her husband's identity. Shaad's actions need to be shown for what they are, not brushed past all the time. He should be shown as believing in his lies and delusions, instead of his actions just excused by being shown as a person who is being cornered into a position which forces him to lie continuously.

Sorry for the essay. Hope I am making sense.


👏 A very nice essay, indeed.
I must confess that I really couldn't remember how Haider- Humeira got together😆..Though I did like Mohit and Ketki and had no reason to question or judge them...I guess that is all I concentrated on them.

So, what is it that we want?

I want Sanam to give Shaad two tight slaps before she gets out of his life...I don't even want Ahil involved here.🥱 I mean...that is how insignificant Shaad is to me. Sanam has been wronged- let her avenge herself.😊 I bet he will come up with some sob story there too..😆

To be frank, there is only ONE WAY the average viewer will connect to a character like this...He has to go negative in some way or the other...

Either the way Sultan in MB went totally mad in his hatred for the hero...
Or the way Viraj (I think that is the name)- in NAUC (Nisha aur cousins) - is clinging after the lady who wants to move on...and abusing her better half who happens to be his bro. (Not a Gul show!!!😲😉)

Otherwise the haddis who go scot- free in other shows generally have accepted their mistakes and deserved the pardon they have been given.

I agree with all of U that it is not the same as Aher...and sincerely hope the show will deal with the issue. I have a feeling it is going to be Shaad regretting his actions (Hopefully after Sanam slaps him- I hope it will be SK who leads her to the truth that she is not really married to Shaad.). Let us see how they take it.😊





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