Why should ONLY Voldmort kill Harry?

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Ammu

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Posted: 18 years ago

#21

Hey Lakshmi, interesting theory...

I think, whether or not it's the fit rule that Voldy HAS to kill Harry or the other way around, it would hv ended it up that way anyway. Both are under this inmpression, and it does say "neither can live while the other survives", but does it necessarily mean they have to kill each other? I just think it was meant to happen anyway.

As for the Elder Wand, DD knew that Snape would master it, right? I mean, Snape used the Elder wand to kill DD... so if that was meant to happen or not, i'm not quite sure, but... I don't think DUmbledore ever intended for Harry to know about the Deathly Hallows in the first place.

Am I making sense? I need to go over some parts again, cos my mind is going kind of blank... nice post! :)

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lakshmi

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Posted: 18 years ago

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Originally posted by: ammmu
Hey Lakshmi, interesting theory...

I think, whether or not it's the fit rule that Voldy HAS to kill Harry or the other way around, it would hv ended it up that way anyway. Both are under this inmpression, and it does say "neither can live while the other survives", but does it necessarily mean they have to kill each other? I just think it was meant to happen anyway.

As for the Elder Wand, DD knew that Snape would master it, right? I mean, Snape used the Elder wand to kill DD... so if that was meant to happen or not, i'm not quite sure, but... I don't think DUmbledore ever intended for Harry to know about the Deathly Hallows in the first place.

Am I making sense? I need to go over some parts again, cos my mind is going kind of blank... nice post! :)

of course the Prophecy said neither can live while the other survives. But DD had figured out that at the end it wud be that neither can kill each other(Bcoz running in both their veins is the same blood with Lily's Protection.)
Remember that when Voldy took Harry's bllod, Lily's protection was intact and by that act, Voldemort made sure that the protection of her sacrifice will live on in both Harry and himself.

n then comes the Elder wand-ie: Passing of the Elder Wand to Snape. I too thought he intended to do that but looking back its unlikely that Dumbledore failed to see such a point that if Snape is killing him under his orders, he will not inherit the Elder Wand as he is doing is as part of the pact with its Master and that way he wont be defeating Dumbledore. I am sure DD saw that and wished to die undefeated as the last true owner of the Elder Wand.

and as for the Deathly Halloows.Personally I think DD WANTED Harry to know abt it. Why on earth then wud he have given Hermione the beedle book 😆 n Harry the Snitch? He wanted Harry to know that Voldemort is after an immensely powerful wand. N Also, If Harry doesnt know abt the Ressurrection stone, there is no sense in leaving it for Harry in the snitch n writing on it "I open at the close. Coz he knew Harry wud need support and courage to take the brave step toards the open arms of Death. Of course He didnt want Harry to pursue the search for Hallows...The Hallows were a lure for fools...he wanted Harry to go after the Horcruxes..But he knew hat Harry had to be informed of the Hallows. as he said..he knew Miss GRanger wud slow Harry down.

Edited by lucky_lakshmi - 18 years ago

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lakshmi

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Posted: 18 years ago

#23

Originally posted by: xMarauderx

DD HAD planned the whole thing...but most of the planning had occured only after GoF, after he saw the Twin Core Effect, and had deduced about the connection b/w their wands.<span>Coz of the Elder Wand thing. Wands are much cleverer and much more able to think than we give them credit for..I have begun to think this after DH.Voldemort was using the Elder Wand, which was really Harry's. Also, there's the blood connection b/w Harry and Voldey-mort, which brought Harry back to life.Both of them, are specifically between Harry and LV.I think its a combo of both...which saved Harry's life.Also, consider the fact that, when DD said that to Snape, Harry's wand was still intact and there was no reason (till that time) for it to break.And Harry's wand had imbibed some of the power of Voldey's own wand. So, I bet, DD took that into consideration as well.If anyone else had used the AK on Harry, it would have destroyed the 7th Horcrux of Voldemort, but it would have ended up killing Harry as well. That would ave meant the end of our green-eyed lightning scarred hero.</span>

Ok lets just say---DD had considred THREE possibilities...

1: Voldemort will use his own wand against Harry (Not much chance that he will coz he understood that his wand doesnt wor properly against Harry's)

2: Voldemort use someone else's wand. Here comes in the part of some powers of Voldy's wand being imbibed in Harry's. this there isnt a chance that Harry will be killed.

3: Thirdly n DD was sure that it wud be what will happen, Voldmeort using the Elder Wand- First of all, No one has understood Voldemort as Dumbledore has. He knows exactly what Voldy will do and his thirst for power will lead him to the EW. It will bcum an obsession for him-an UNDEFEATABLE wand! Whar more will Riddle neeD? 😉 n it must be remembered that DD intented to die as the last master of the EW n its power wud be destroyed with his death but that part of the plan didnt work out. But according to his plan, even if Voldy got the EW..It wudnt be of any particular use for him. N as u said, there was no point of him thinking that Harry's wand wud break.

Of course , if anyone else had killed Harry, he wud have died thats undestood of course. Which is one the first place what I asked. Did Dumbledore say that ONLY Voldemort should try kill Harry bcoz he knew Voldemort and Harry will ot be able to kill each other. I think that after what we have discused, Dumbledore had planned it all and knew that Harry wud survive. But of course he didnt put all his secrets in any basket. 😉

Edited by lucky_lakshmi - 18 years ago

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saswati

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Posted: 18 years ago

#24

Originally posted by: lucky_lakshmi

Hey guys..I am back with another theory😆

well, in the Chapter Prince's Tale in HP-DH (Page-551-UK Version)--- Dumbledore tells Snape that Voldemort will live as long as Harry is alive...and then Snape asks him whether "The boy must die?". So Dumbledore tells that "And Voldmort himself must do it Severus, That is essential."

Why should Voldemort himself do it? Wont the part of Voldemort soul in Harry die if he is killed by someone else and not Voldemort? It will be, right?

becoz DD took the advantage of the fact that Voldy comes back with harry's blood.......that was the major mistake of Voldy........in GoF when Harry told DD that Voldy used his blood he found an expression of triumph on DD's face........I think if anyone else killed harry he will die with that part of Voldy's soul but for Voldy the protection of his mother was still working........... & DD guessed due to that protection if Voldy tries to kill Harry only that unwanted soul will be killed but not Harry........

If we combine this dialogue of DD with another one ..I dun remember the exact dialogue..its something like "When time comes, he(Harry) will be ready"

Dumbledore understood Harry very well and knew that he would sacrifice himself when he understands the truth.

was it mandatory that only Voldmort should kill Harry/ that is try to kill him because if Voldemort tries to kill him, he wont die...Had Dumbledore PLANNED that all along? he didnt explain it to Snape but I found that dialogue quite interesting..

I think DD likes not to reveal all his secrets to one person......DD did not tell snape about either horcruxes or tha hallows......but he was such a wise & intelligent man that he passes all the pieces of the puzzle before his death but to different people i.e Harry & snape so that both can continue their part & then at end link it to resolve the mistery..........

I know its a kinda wierd theory?!😕😳 Can someone shed some light on this...I may be talking real stupid rubbish u know!!😆

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Eloquent

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Posted: 18 years ago

#25

Originally posted by: lucky_lakshmi

Which is one the first place what I asked. Did Dumbledore say that ONLY Voldemort should try kill Harry bcoz he knew Voldemort and Harry will ot be able to kill each other. I think that after what we have discused, Dumbledore had planned it all and knew that Harry wud survive. But of course he didnt put all his secrets in any basket. 😉

Book 6, DD explained to Harry that he's quite welcome to turn his back on the prophecy. But Voldemort would continue to hunt him down and set store by the prophecy. So Harry would have to fight him.

Anyways, that apart, I think DD's original plan was(post-GOF):

DD knew Voldey-mort would come after the Elder Wand, one day or the other, after encountering problems due to the twin cores.

So, DD was, one way or the other, trying to end the power of the Elder Wand one way or the other...and he knew that Voldey-mort would be after his wand...and if he did, he wanted the Elder Wand to be reduced to be a normal wand.

Either way, with the EW or any other wand(Voldemort wouldn't use his own wand ofcourse), he wanted Voldemort to meet Harry in the last battle, holding a very normal wand. When compared to Harry's holly wand, which has imbibed some of LV's wand's power...Harry stood a good chance of defending himself and killing off LV. And since, Harry and Voldey are no longer using the twin cores..I think DD correctly deduced that Harry would be able to attack Voldey but Voldemort wouldn't be able to attack Harry in ANY way..even if he used another's wand. Bcoz of what happened in the "Seven Potters" chapter.

The same thing would happen again as happened during that broomstick flight.
So definitely, Harry and Voldemort could duel now, without being hampered by the twin core effect...

And then, when he got hit by the curse on the peverell ring and he knew he was gonna die anyway..he hatched the plan regarding Snape. He wanted Snape to end up with the EW..which was removed of all its powers since DD wld die undefeated.
And the whole Harry vs. Voldey thing wld remain the same. But the Snape paln did not work out as well...

And DD knew Harry ha a chance of surviving bang at the end of GoF...
DD's gleam of triumph....he knew from then onwards about Harry's survival

Edited by xMarauderx - 18 years ago