Why should ONLY Voldmort kill Harry? - Page 2

Oh okay...your last post made me understand...
Your trying to say that if someone else had tried to kill harry would they kill harry or voldermonts soul that is in Harry...rite?
I think they would maybe kill harry and maybe voldy's soul would b in harry...
Man, now im confused...would voldy's soul b in Harry's body..ofcoarse cuz...Horcroux...
Hmmm I get what your saying and I dont have an exact answer so i guess i wont say anything..
:D

-Mahak-

P.S. interesting topic!!

Originally posted by: Mini786

Oh okay...your last post made me understand...
Your trying to say that if someone else had tried to kill harry would they kill harry or voldermonts soul that is in Harry...rite?
I think they would maybe kill harry and maybe voldy's soul would b in harry...

But how come?😕 I was under the impression that anyone but Voldemort can kill Harry as Its Voldemory who greedily used Harry's blood and so he cant kill him as long as Harry's blood is in his veins. If someone else say a Death Eater Kills Harry, Harry will die but so will the part of Voldy's soul na? Harry as we know is an unintentionalally made Horcrux and as the soul inside a Horcrux lives only as long as the bosy in which its aflt protected is undestroyed, If the horcrux is destroyed, the soul inside it will also die..thats what Hermione said abt Horcruxes right?

Man, now im confused...would voldy's soul b in Harry's body..ofcoarse cuz...Horcroux...
Hmmm I get what your saying and I dont have an exact answer so i guess i wont say anything..
:D

-Mahak-

P.S. interesting topic!!

Thanks yaar😃

I believe the answer lies in the prophecy which does say that Voldermort marks the person to vanquish him as his equal and as fate may have it, he decides it is Harry. Which essentially means, that even if someone tried , Voldermort could not have been vanquished. 😊

And marking him as an equal , involved the shattered piece of soul of Voldy getting into Harry and all that happened on the fateful night!

Jus my thoughts! 😊

^^^yeah Voldemort did make the prophecy true and he marked Harry as his enemy...N of course we all know its gonna be Harry v/s Voldemort at the end 😆 😉

Butmy point is that why did Dumbledore say that it is essential that Harry must be killed by Voldemort to bring about Voldemort's end..I spect if Dumbledore knew that if anf only if Voldemort tried killing Harry will Harry survive and thereby be able to fight the mortal Voldemort and finish him off. --Not to forget Harry DIDNT kill Voldemort and he doesnt have the skill to...But I think DD knew that Voldy's complacency and habit of underming all others and his greed will bring abt his death N it must be remembered that he didnt plan Snape's death. I think he planned voldemort's death as by Snape

Originally posted by: Naughty_n_nice

But he had left his wand for Severus Snape, and i don't think as far as i know there were any intentions of Harry's gaining it.

-Sam

hey yaar...In DH, When Harry and Voldemort are facing each other in the chapter "Flaw in The Plan:"...Voldemort says that DD intended to leave the Elder Wand to Snape. Now I doubt if he did.

Bcoz Harry tells Riddle that "DD's death was planned between them. DD intended to die undefeated, the wand's last true master. If all had gone as planned, the wand's power wud have died with him, bcoz it was never won from him"

that means that according to His plan, DD wud have died as the last master of the Elder Wand.😕 But contrary to that, DD says in King's Cross that he intended Snape to end up with the elder wand! I am really confused...how in the world cud DD the brilliant man have made such a mistake of thinkin that Snape, who is killing him on his order, will beat him and be the owner of the Elder Wand?😕

I dont mean to deviate from the point but that one is confusing

Originally posted by: lucky_lakshmi

hey yaar...In DH, When Harry and Voldemort are facing each other in the chapter "Flaw in The Plan:"...Voldemort says that DD intended to leave the Elder Wand to Snape. Now I doubt if he did.

Bcoz Harry tells Riddle that "DD's death was planned between them. DD intended to die undefeated, the wand's last true master. If all had gone as planned, the wand's power wud have died with him, bcoz it was never won from him"

that means that according to His plan, DD wud have died as the last master of the Elder Wand.😕 But contrary to that, DD says in King's Cross that he intended Snape to end up with the elder wand! I am really confused...how in the world cud DD the brilliant man have made such a mistake of thinkin that Snape, who is killing him on his order, will beat him and be the owner of the Elder Wand?😕

I dont mean to deviate from the point but that one is confusing

ok i think i got the answer here

dumbledore wanted to die undefeated

and in planning this with snape that in the end snape wud kill him and take his wand it wud be normal wand only with no extra powers

since voldemort is known for his greed and his foolishness he knew that voldy wud make that connection that owner shud be killed

in thinking that snape wud get elder wand dumbledore thought harry wud be protected but i guess flaw was that snape got killed in this

and draco had over powered dumbledore and it had already recognised the master as draco which dumbledore either knew or realised but didnt say and draco didnt touch the wand

snape also dint get the wand

the wand was buried with dumbledore

and when harry overpowers draco the wand changed loyalties without anyone knowing abt it

thats how harry got the power of wand but he didnt keep it and told dumbledore in the end that he wud keep the wand where it was and if he dies natural death the wand power wud be gone

in making sure no one wud mis use it

hope anything i said made sense

dumbledore wanted snape to get the wand without power as he was not defeated and voldy wud somehow get the wand thinkng it has powers

but the plan changed unexpectedly and also in harry favour keeping him alive

Originally posted by: chatterbox

ok i think i got the answer here

dumbledore wanted to die undefeated

and in planning this with snape that in the end snape wud kill him and take his wand it wud be normal wand only with no extra powers

since voldemort is known for his greed and his foolishness he knew that voldy wud make that connection that owner shud be killed

in thinking that snape wud get elder wand dumbledore thought harry wud be protected but i guess flaw was that snape got killed in this

and draco had over powered dumbledore and it had already recognised the master as draco which dumbledore either knew or realised but didnt say and draco didnt touch the wand

snape also dint get the wand

the wand was buried with dumbledore

and when harry overpowers draco the wand changed loyalties without anyone knowing abt it

thats how harry got the power of wand but he didnt keep it and told dumbledore in the end that he wud keep the wand where it was and if he dies natural death the wand power wud be gone

in making sure no one wud mis use it

hope anything i said made sense

dumbledore wanted snape to get the wand without power as he was not defeated and voldy wud somehow get the wand thinkng it has powers

but the plan changed unexpectedly and also in harry favour keeping him alive

Yes aMaybe..But think abt it...Dumbledore knew Voldemort's greed...By making Voldemort think that as Snape overpowered and killed him, Snape is the true owner of the elder wand, Isnt DD putting Snape's life in danger(Not that it already isnt!) But still, that wud mean that if Voldemort traced out that DD was the owner of the Elder wand, he will definitely know that Snape is the new owner and that means Snape will have a death sentance pronounced on his head!😕 I thought he didnt plan to get Snape killed!😕 the rest of the story is understood alright..But according to ur theory, it means DD had planned Snape death too but that cannot be coz DD wanted Snape to tell Harry the truth at the end na? What if Voldmeort recognised the fact that Snape has to be killed and does it b4 Snape has a chance to tell Harry the truth...???(which did Happen right? If Harry hadnt come to the Shreiking Shack in time, then Snape couldnt have told him the truth) I doubt if DD had Planned Snape's death....

Yess...He Dumbledore meant Snape to become the owner of The Elder Wand...But that was the flaw in his plan. Bcoz as Snape was not the omce who defeated him, he didnt become the owner of the wand. That part is understood

I too was under the impression that when DD said the boy must die...he meant it..But U cant really say right..as I said he never confided his entire plan to anyone...as he told Snape "I dont want to put all my secrets in one bastket, especially the one which is dangling in Lord Voldemort's hands"😆😉

He had made a guess that as Harry will be "ready" when the right time presents itself, he may escape the fate thrust upon him by Voldemort. A Fate which Dumbledore CANNOT change. But which Harry's DECISION can change

But I am confused abt what u said no one but Voldemort can kill Harry...I thought that ANYONE but Voldemort can kill Harry....😕 as It was Voldemort who tried to kill Harry...as it was he who had taken Harry's blood which is now rnning in his veins, Harry didnt die..If someone else had killed Harry, he would have dies and so wud the soul of Voldy inside hm (Correct me if I am wrong)

as for the Prophecy...If Voldemort hadnt chosen Harry , maybe nothing wud have happened..He wudnt have had a rival..he feared if it may be true that why he decided to make sure there wont be a chance. He didnt wanna take any chances and chose Harry as his enemy. He MADE the Prophecy true...

n Harry didnt gain he resurrection stone by accident..he gained only the elder wand by accident(as contrary to DD's Plan) DD had left the resurrection stone as he knew he wud need it at the end he wud need his lost loved ones for support whle he took the brave brave decision between life and death of the world...which is why DD had written "I open at the close" in the snitch.

omg..i wrote too much....😆

I think it's the right answer. DD told it's "essential" because I think he had a hope that if Voldemort tries to kill Harry, Harry has a chance to survive. At King Cross DD said Harry that he was not sure that Harry will survive or not, but he thought he might survive. So may be that's why he said that it's essential that Voldemort kill Harry, so that Harry takes it as his fate and at last may be it'll give him a chance to survive. We must remember that DD used to love Harry a lot.

^^^yeah exacctly..I too feel that he had guessed that if Voldy tries to kill him , Harry has a chance. when he says that Harry asks him "N You knew it all??" and DD replies.."I had guessed and my guesses have usually been good!" 😳

Originally posted by: lucky_lakshmi

Hey guys..I am back with another theory😆

well, in the Chapter Prince's Tale in HP-DH (Page-551-UK Version)--- Dumbledore tells Snape that Voldemort will live as long as Harry is alive...and then Snape asks him whether "The boy must die?". So Dumbledore tells that "And Voldmort himself must do it Severus, That is essential."

Why should Voldemort himself do it? Wont the part of Voldemort soul in Harry die if he is killed by someone else and not Voldemort? It will be, right?

If we combine this dialogue of DD with another one ..I dun remember the exact dialogue..its something like "When time comes, he(Harry) will be ready"

Dumbledore understood Harry very well and knew that he would sacrifice himself when he understands the truth.

was it mandatory that only Voldmort should kill Harry/ that is try to kill him because if Voldemort tries to kill him, he wont die...Had Dumbledore PLANNED that all along? he didnt explain it to Snape but I found that dialogue quite interesting..

I know its a kinda wierd theory?!😕😳 Can someone shed some light on this...I may be talking real stupid rubbish u know!!😆

DD HAD planned the whole thing...but most of the planning had occured only after GoF, after he saw the Twin Core Effect, and had deduced about the connection b/w their wands.

Coz of the Elder Wand thing. Wands are much cleverer and much more able to think than we give them credit for..I have begun to think this after DH.

Voldemort was using the Elder Wand, which was really Harry's.
Also, there's the blood connection b/w Harry and Voldey-mort, which brought Harry back to life.

Both of them, are specifically between Harry and LV.
I think its a combo of both...which saved Harry's life.

Also, consider the fact that, when DD said that to Snape, Harry's wand was still intact and there was no reason (till that time) for it to break.

And Harry's wand had imbibed some of the power of Voldey's own wand. So, I bet, DD took that into consideration as well.

If anyone else had used the AK on Harry, it would have destroyed the 7th Horcrux of Voldemort, but it would have ended up killing Harry as well. That would ave meant the end of our green-eyed lightning scarred hero.