Ego! - Page 2

Originally posted by: sashashyam

My dear Maddy,

I have rarely read something here that I agree with so thoroughly as I do with this incisive and comprehensive take on Daadi's manifold flaws of character. It is superb!😉

Thank you so much for such a huge compliment, coming from you I cherish it even more. 😳

I also agree with the very perceptive point you have made above, in response to Aparna's comments, about the possibility, which I feel is a strong one, of Maya siding with Shivanand in his crusade, and pushing Rudra to do the same. Now that would be delightful, and I would love to see the look on Daadi's face as that hits home!😉

I must admit I want to see Maya side with Shiva, firstly cos he is the only one who has got his priorities right & Dadi's "My way best" is getting a little too much! It will be fun to watch Dadi's face when Maya says Shiva is right! 😆

I was as thunderstruck as I expect you were by Daadi's delusional comment, in last night's precap, about Maya being the means of uniting the 2 Panths😡 . I wish she goes to Naanu with the proposal, that would be fun! Especially if she announces at the same time that Rudra aur Maya ek ho rahe hain, aur aapke aashirwaad ki apeksha rakhte hain!!😉

😆😆😆 Oh please show us this scene - hope it is in front of all the disciples, I would love to watch Balivesh's face. 😃 Nanu I belive will not bat an eyelid & might say Bachho ki khushi ke alava hume is umar me kya chahiye & then go out and order Balivesh to put a hit on Rudra! 😉

I also hope that Shivanand's wife Ganga, once she has been located, provides him with the support system he badly lacks at present, if only to counter Daadi's unrelenting outpouring of bile on her unprotesting son.

One point: it might well be that Shiva has deliberately left the machine tucked away near the stairs leading down into the Kund. I somehow cannot see him getting so affected by his mother's nth diatribe against him that he forgets about something so vital for the mission; so I feel that he intends to return, regardless of Sahadev being on the watch.

I agree. Shiva is focused on his aim and he will not let anybody stand in the way. I wonder why Sahdev went running to tell Dadi?!

I have done a detailed piece rebutting various criticisms against Shivanand on page
4 of my latest thread, at http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=4321938&TPN=4. Also a response to Santhi (pasumarthisa) on page 7.

I think you would be interested in both of these, since we are on the same wavelength re: these matters, and you just might find the main post amusing as well.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

I was not aware about any criticism about Shiva! Frankly he is my favorite currently. Will read asap.

Originally posted by: happychappy

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Interesting discussion.

Dadi is an essential part of the story and considering some other explanations given for truculent positions taken in another show, Dadi's reasoning and her emotional attachment to Saraswatikund are a tad more believable. Some parents are chronically unable to appreciate their children because (as Siva explained last night) they look at them from too close a viewpoint - In Dadi's case she seems to have a special jaundiced 'third eye' that is reserved for looking at her son!!! I have a different take on the life& times of Rudr's late Dadaji - one of Dadi's building blocks (given her orthodox& anti-science stand on most matters) should have been pati-seva so he may have had a more peaceful life than his son is leading!

LOL Dadi and Dada's relationship would have been fascinating. Dada would have to be something to stand upto her! How else could Shiva would have been allowed to get education in "science"?! 😉

Line in bold is so true, I guess they might have very high expectations and rigid standards.

After watching today's episode and the way Dadi told Maya that she can be link in uniting Bramha Nistha Panth and Shri Sant Panth (!) - frankly seeing precap yesterday I had felt vastly amused.

Today seeing the episode I feel Dadi is clinging to her idea of ideal world and it is set in her mind with exact measurements also! Anything that does not fit in, makes her uneasy and she vehemently opposes it. How else can she blame Shiva for what happened to them but choose to totally forget what Balivesh & Animesh did?! Maybe to her putting everything back EXACTLY at it was 24 years ago is her way of coping. So she is trying to brush aside anything that does not fit in. I guess Shiva is a constant reminder to Dadi that it can't be. So at every opportunity she puts him down.

It is sad in a way cos when Dadi gets the dose of reality as Shiva surely knows is coming - it is going to be harsh awakening.

While there's plenty of room to discuss Dadi's character flaws, it ultimately boils down to whether the character is well-sketched and plausible. In the Dadi's case I believe the answer is yes. Maya 's characterisation on the other hand, has been consistent only in its lack of conviction both in the writing and the acting. That is why there's not a lot of to-and-fro on that account. Dadi's character has been convincing and superbly played, thus producing some energetic debate. I should think Mr Naithani would be happy with that outcome.

I think almost all the characters in MK are very well etched.
I am not a fan of any actor/actress in MK (correction I have become fan of Sid 😆) and watch it for the tale, for me the hero of MK is the story. There are rare serials for whom we can say such a thing.

So I do not like any one actor over another - I find Maya - Payal good enough. Of course liking or not liking an actor is a matter of personal choice. I think she comes across as a real person not a clothes horse & has certain vulnerability to her.

About Maya - her character made me think a lot, especially after the scene when she cries holding her mother's photo.
I tried to imagine her life since childhood - brought up in an all older male household where rituals and rigid way of life would be ruling - esp for a female. I don't think apart from Nanu there would have been anybody much paying her great notice. For Balivesh she would be someone he would not spare much thought to, apart from bestowing a smile or an odd line.

Nanu pretending to be bedridden for 24 years would be giving Maya some affection. A child grown up like this would be craving to be loved, accepted, considered a part of her family. So when Nanu asked her to do this favor for him - to help him right a wrong done to Rudra's family - Maya would have jumped at the chance. Finally she also can do something to show her being part of the family.

This would have been a confident Maya, finally got even Balivesh's attention and reveling in freedom. Where she met Rudra & Mayimuyi - who adored her.

From this to come to bitter relisation that she actually meant nothing to not just Balivesh-Animesh but even her anchor in the house Nanu would have been devastating. That they used her and can talk about killing her like she never meant anything can be shattering. This indifference to her very being would have been wounding.
On top of this knowledge having to live with the guilt of being the reason for Mayimui, for bringing Rudra to them - it would have to eat at her.

What Nanu Balivesh did to her would have finally freed Maya - cos even though very painful the realization she meant nothing to them would make her liberated of them. However, with Rudra it would be entirely reverse. She is more bound to Rudra cos of her guilt, her love, her wanting to punish herself to atone - would constantly remind her of Rudra.

I feel for Maya cos she was a lonely unloved girl in that household.

About the Saraswatikund, I'm guessing that Sahadev is being set up as the bali ka bakra (being the most dispensable person in the set) He will die in the course of enforcing Dadi's dictat and that may be the turning point for Dadi that we are all waiting for... No other real reason for Dadi's anointing him as the Guard of the Kund - even she would agree that once Shiva has given his word he's not going to cheat on her.

This is very interesting thought. You have a point, why else would Dadi do the ritual of anointing Sahdev?

Edit-

Science & Religion is without any doubt one of the major themes in this show -

Reproducing something I wrote on Shruti's thread on Gupt Saraswati

- Remember when Sivanand first met Dr. Rao in the show they started off with that Einstein quote - "Science without Religion is lame; Religion without science is blind" - In a way that scene was almost a foreshadowing of Sivanand teasing out Rudr's sanchita karma by quoting half the Gita verse at him - the guru quoted first and the shishya completed it... It was almost like the password for a "secret society" come to think of it!

Wonderfully written. 👏👏 Both Prof. Rao & Shiva are men of science who want to resurrect Swarswati Kund and Swarswati river. For them there is no fight.

Originally posted by: SayaneeH.Lecter

Nice post dear ..

Dadi's character was introduced to balance the loss of MaiMui .. however, she is nothing what I expected .. her characterization is not even 10% of MaiMui .. even with such a brilliant actress the CVs failed to create a significant persona out of the character - I find most of her characters hollow and meaningless

I agree with the title of the post -EGO- though dadi accuses Shiva to with one of the deadly sins, to be honest Dadi has it to the fullest. Her blindness amuses me .. I don't understand which woman will blame her son for her husband's death when the man himself wanted to die and the son remain confined in a confinement!!

Forget about Shiva's work, she doesn't even want to know where was Shiva till date .. how he was doing!! Is she only a wife, a grand mother and no mother at all?? There is no logic in saying - who can't save his family how he will be able to save the world?? When our army is guarding our country is borders, they are unable to safe their own family. If something happens to their family, blaming them will be simply idiotic .. isn't it?? I wonder hoe this woman can be so dumb to not get this simple thing.

And I somewhat disagree in Religion vs Science thing .. if a religion has conflict with science, then the religion is not religion by true means but some insignificant and illogical belief that must be avoided ..

I guess I have pointed out in some earlier post that ancient studies of Hindu religion has Sage Kanada's - Baisheshik Darshan that's pure physics & Sage Kapil's Shankhya Darshan .. even our mytho stories have scientific explanations behind them .. so if it is religion vs science - then also dadi is in wrong side by every means .. she neither understands science nor the religion ..

She is simply a balloon of ego who has nothing but one objective to prove her son wrong and establish her baseless povs right ... I don't know which mother does, I don't know if it's CVs failure or it was meant to be like this .. but Dadi is an utter annoying woman with NO important content to add

Originally posted by: MaddyO

Thanks. Agree with your lines in bold.
Mayimui was a wonderfully positive character. Dadi is also fascinating to me. I think each and every character is interesting - except Charles who I frankly find irritating.

The writers have given us some wonderful surprises, so I am guessing Dadi might become the weak link for Shiva and Rudra. She is not negative but she can be major obstacle for them.

What I find hard to accept about her is not that she does not agree with Shiva but she does it without even listening to his side! Dadi has every right to think differently from Shiva, but it is not right that she does not even let him tell his reasons.

She has a right to her views, to long for her way of life, she seems such a rigid person - such people get so set in their ways they sometimes get stuck in the rituals and quite forget the reason or meaning for doing them.

Dadi clearly longs for her old life - maybe she has not really awakened to 2013 as yet! Cos for such a learned person to have such a narrow view is surprising. Education should liberate and evolve - nobody can think Dadi is not a very evolved person. I think she has great capacity to serve but different set of rules for her son and for everybody else. Shiva reminds her of the life that was taken from her and she keeps blaming him without even knowing his truth or even bothering to find out.

Dadi is very irritating at times but she is such a real person. We meet likes of her - people who just refuse to change for no reason other than they feel their way is the best.

Originally posted by: MaddyO

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LOL

I think almost all the characters in MK are very well etched.
I am not a fan of any actor/actress in MK (correction I have become fan of Sid 😆) and watch it for the tale, for me the hero of MK is the story. There are rare serials for whom we can say such a thing.

So I do not like any one actor over another - I find Maya - Payal good enough. Of course liking or not liking an actor is a matter of personal choice. I think she comes across as a real person not a clothes horse & has certain vulnerability to her.

About Maya - her character made me think a lot, especially after the scene when she cries holding her mother's photo.
I tried to imagine her life since childhood - brought up in an all older male household where rituals and rigid way of life would be ruling - esp for a female. I don't think apart from Nanu there would have been anybody much paying her great notice. For Balivesh she would be someone he would not spare much thought to, apart from bestowing a smile or an odd line.

Nanu pretending to be bedridden for 24 years would be giving Maya some affection. A child grown up like this would be craving to be loved, accepted, considered a part of her family. So when Nanu asked her to do this favor for him - to help him right a wrong done to Rudra's family - Maya would have jumped at the chance. Finally she also can do something to show her being part of the family.

This would have been a confident Maya, finally got even Balivesh's attention and reveling in freedom. Where she met Rudra & Mayimuyi - who adored her.

From this to come to bitter relisation that she actually meant nothing to not just Balivesh-Animesh but even her anchor in the house Nanu would have been devastating. That they used her and can talk about killing her like she never meant anything can be shattering. This indifference to her very being would have been wounding.
On top of this knowledge having to live with the guilt of being the reason for Mayimui, for bringing Rudra to them - it would have to eat at her.

What Nanu Balivesh did to her would have finally freed Maya - cos even though very painful the realization she meant nothing to them would make her liberated of them. However, with Rudra it would be entirely reverse. She is more bound to Rudra cos of her guilt, her love, her wanting to punish herself to atone - would constantly remind her of Rudra.

I feel for Maya cos she was a lonely unloved girl in that household.

You underestimate good old Mahaam, my pet! The keede would have scooted double quick, or curled up and died after biting her. They should try out the JA CVs instead.

Apni Daadi is nowhere in the same league, being a Brahm Nisht, as she proclaims every now and then, but on Thursday, she and Maya together drove me to schedule a test for diabetes!

I am allergic to bahu lene aayi thi beti le ja rahi hoon and khandaani kangan scenes (though those kangans were very pretty! ) and Thursday was so sappy most of the time that I began to feel queasy. I suppose this will continue on Monday over the bhutta. The Lord save us from this overdose of treacle and molasses!

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: Arshics

Maddy,

I seem to be the only one who likes dadi and sympathizes with her.

One thing we all forget is that for her there were no 24 years, if she behaves as if yeh Kal ki baat hai, it's because for her it is KAL ki baat.

She went to sleep and when she woke up, she had the same pain, anger etc.

She was suffering the pain of bereavement, her husbands death, her grandsons loss and anger with her son for having invited all this with his meddling in affairs that incurred the wrath of gods and men

She hasn't yet dealt with these feelings, for she hasn't gone through the pain of living alone day after day and getting through and getting past.

Waise bhi, I think she also is the balance to Shivas macro picture, which compeletly disregards the significance of the micro.

For after the war and destruction, it's the women, who will have to rebuild lives and homes on the ashes on those who once lived.

That's why dadi wants Maya in Rudras life, for recreation and rebuilding after the death and destruction that is inevitable.