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MaddyO

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Posted: 10 years ago

Dadi accused Shiva of having ghamand/ego, to crave importance attention for himself. I think it is Dadi who can't let go of her ego. Her wanting to prove all the time that she is right, her way is correct and Shiva is wrong.

She doesn't show any interest in finding out what had happened to Shiva for 24 years, nor does she tell Shiva his wife was not in the house when it was burned down. Shiva seems to be under impression his wife is dead.

Isn't it said that there is no age for learning? Dadi refuses to forget accept - even consider there can be another view other than her own!
Doesn't she know her own son? That he is no frivolous airhead? Why can't she just listen to him for once? She might not agree but so far she has not even bothered to listen!

What is more she constantly tries to turn Rudra against Shiva.
She keeps accusing Shiva of not being a good father to Rudra.

When Shiva says families have rakshaks but rakshaks's don't have families - Dadi mocks& ridicules him - but apart from Rudra, Dadi too has not shown much interest in her family! HER way of doing seva her panth her way is all that seem to matter to her.

Why can't Shiva try to bring water into Saraswati Kund? It is his legacy too, not just Dadi's.

They seem to be making this religion v/s Science argument. Dadi mocks Shiva's education in science (finally this explains the library & all) but she has the narrowest mind ever, so what if it is learned!

More than making Rudra happy it seems to matter to Dadi that she shows to Rudra that she has more concern for him than his father.

Shiva is so focused in his work but Dadi's rant at Saraswati Kund made Shiva forget the machine in the kund!

Nanu's guru said Garuds will be weakened emotionally then they can be defeated - somehow it was assumed to be Maya who will be weakness. What if it is Dadi who is weakness instead? Her rigidity, her refusal to even listen to Shiva, her standing in his way all the time - her trying to turn Rudra against Shiva might be the weakness Garuda's have to overcome.

Maybe Dadi has to see with her own eyes something shocking that will jolt her out of her moral high horse!

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Posted: 10 years ago

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Posted: 10 years ago

correct
dadi didn't ask Shiva abt his well being during 24 yrs
she might be upset of losing everything she had including saraswati kund sometimes she appears too rude but wat we can expect . she bears a lot and just wants her family back

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sashashyam

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Posted: 10 years ago

My dear Maddy,

I have rarely read something here that I agree with so thoroughly as I do with this incisive and comprehensive take on Daadi's manifold flaws of character. It is superb!😉

I also agree with the very perceptive point you have made above, in response to Aparna's comments, about the possibility, which I feel is a strong one, of Maya siding with Shivanand in his crusade, and pushing Rudra to do the same. Now that would be delightful, and I would love to see the look on Daadi's face as that hits home!😉

I was as thunderstruck as I expect you were by Daadi's delusional comment, in last night's precap, about Maya being the means of uniting the 2 Panths😡 . I wish she goes to Naanu with the proposal, that would be fun! Especially if she announces at the same time that Rudra aur Maya ek ho rahe hain, aur aapke aashirwaad ki apeksha rakhte hain!!😉

I also hope that Shivanand's wife Ganga, once she has been located, provides him with the support system he badly lacks at present, if only to counter Daadi's unrelenting outpouring of bile on her unprotesting son.

One point: it might well be that Shiva has deliberately left the machine tucked away near the stairs leading down into the Kund. I somehow cannot see him getting so affected by his mother's nth diatribe against him that he forgets about something so vital for the mission; so I feel that he intends to return, regardless of Sahadev being on the watch.

I have done a detailed piece rebutting various criticisms against Shivanand on page
4 of my latest thread, at http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=4321938&TPN=4. Also a response to Santhi (pasumarthisa) on page 7.

I think you would be interested in both of these, since we are on the same wavelength re: these matters, and you just might find the main post amusing as well.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

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happychappy

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Posted: 10 years ago

^^^^

Interesting discussion.

Dadi is an essential part of the story and considering some other explanations given for truculent positions taken in another show, Dadi's reasoning and her emotional attachment to Saraswatikund are a tad more believable. Some parents are chronically unable to appreciate their children because (as Siva explained last night) they look at them from too close a viewpoint - In Dadi's case she seems to have a special jaundiced 'third eye' that is reserved for looking at her son!!! I have a different take on the life& times of Rudr's late Dadaji - one of Dadi's building blocks (given her orthodox& anti-science stand on most matters) should have been pati-seva so he may have had a more peaceful life than his son is leading!

While there's plenty of room to discuss Dadi's character flaws, it ultimately boils down to whether the character is well-sketched and plausible. In the Dadi's case I believe the answer is yes. Maya 's characterisation on the other hand, has been consistent only in its lack of conviction both in the writing and the acting. That is why there's not a lot of to-and-fro on that account. Dadi's character has been convincing and superbly played, thus producing some energetic debate. I should think Mr Naithani would be happy with that outcome.

About the Saraswatikund, I'm guessing that Sahadev is being set up as the bali ka bakra (being the most dispensable person in the set) He will die in the course of enforcing Dadi's dictat and that may be the turning point for Dadi that we are all waiting for... No other real reason for Dadi's anointing him as the Guard of the Kund - even she would agree that once Shiva has given his word he's not going to cheat on her.

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Science & Religion is without any doubt one of the major themes in this show -

Reproducing something I wrote on Shruti's thread on Gupt Saraswati

- Remember when Sivanand first met Dr. Rao in the show they started off with that Einstein quote - "Science without Religion is lame; Religion without science is blind" - In a way that scene was almost a foreshadowing of Sivanand teasing out Rudr's sanchita karma by quoting half the Gita verse at him - the guru quoted first and the shishya completed it... It was almost like the password for a "secret society" come to think of it!

Edited by happychappy - 10 years ago

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sashashyam

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Posted: 10 years ago

????

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: momnaay
I have rarely read something here that I agree with so thoroughly as I do with this incisive and comprehensive take on Daadi's manifold flaws of character. It is superb!Wink

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sashashyam

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Posted: 10 years ago

Lucid and convincing, Shubha.

As I have noted often, I adore Surekha Sikri's Daadi, for all that she sets my teeth on edge with great regularity! First Seema Biswas' Maimuyi, and now this one, both are triumphs of scripting and casting. I still hanker after Maimuyi, for I could connect to her emotionally, which I can never do with this Dowager Duchess, but still, both are treats for the viewers.

No, no, do not be too sanguine about Daadaji. Pati seva, yes, but it would have been Daadi's ideas of pati seva, with very little consideration for the poor pati's own preferences and wishes!

Loved your last para. Yes, but I can think of no secret society that had such a reluctant initiate!😉 That pashyanti gyaanachakshushaha came out involuntarily, like the time when the teenage Rudra (HOW I miss the kid!) suddenly recited all the details of his kundali to the astonishment and resentment of the Jyotishi.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: happychappy
^^^^
Interesting discussion.

Dadi is an essential part of the story and considering some other explanations given for truculent positions taken in another show, Dadi's reasoning and her emotional attachment to Saraswatikund are a tad more believable. Some parents are chronically unable to appreciate their children because (as Siva explained last night) they look at them from too close a viewpoint - In Dadi's case she seems to have a special jaundiced 'third eye' that is reserved for looking at her son!!! I have a different take on the life& times of Rudr's late Dadaji - one of Dadi's building blocks (given her orthodox& anti-science stand on most matters) should have been pati-seva so he may have had a more peaceful life than his son is leading!

While there's plenty of room to discuss Dadi's character flaws, it ultimately boils down to whether the character is well-sketched and plausible. In the Dadi's case I believe the answer is yes. Maya 's characterisation on the other hand, has been consistent only in its lack of conviction both in the writing and the acting. That is why there's not a lot of to-and-fro on that account. Dadi's character has been convincing and superbly played, thus producing some energetic debate. I should think Mr Naithani would be happy with that outcome.

About the Saraswatikund, I'm guessing that Sahadev is being set up as the bali ka bakra (being the most dispensable person in the set) He will die in the course of enforcing Dadi's dictat and that may be the turning point for Dadi that we are all waiting for... No other real reason for Dadi's anointing him as the Guard of the Kund - even she would agree that once Shiva has given his word he's not going to cheat on her.

Edit-
Science & Religion is without any doubt one of the major themes in this show -

Reproducing something I wrote on Shruti's thread on Gupt Saraswati

- Remember when Sivanand first met Dr. Rao in the show they started off with that Einstein quote - "Science without Religion is lame; Religion without science is blind" - In a way that scene was almost a foreshadowing of Sivanand teasing out Rudr's sanchita karma by quoting half the Gita verse at him - the guru quoted first and the shishya completed it... It was almost like the password for a "secret society" come to think of it!

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pasumarthisa

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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: happychappy
^^^^
Interesting discussion.

Dadi is an essential part of the story and considering some other explanations given for truculent positions taken in another show, Dadi's reasoning and her emotional attachment to Saraswatikund are a tad more believable. Some parents are chronically unable to appreciate their children because (as Siva explained last night) they look at them from too close a viewpoint - In Dadi's case she seems to have a special jaundiced 'third eye' that is reserved for looking at her son!!! I have a different take on the life& times of Rudr's late Dadaji - one of Dadi's building blocks (given her orthodox& anti-science stand on most matters) should have been pati-seva so he may have had a more peaceful life than his son is leading!

While there's plenty of room to discuss Dadi's character flaws, it ultimately boils down to whether the character is well-sketched and plausible. In the Dadi's case I believe the answer is yes. Maya 's characterisation on the other hand, has been consistent only in its lack of conviction both in the writing and the acting. That is why there's not a lot of to-and-fro on that account. Dadi's character has been convincing and superbly played, thus producing some energetic debate. I should think Mr Naithani would be happy with that outcome.

About the Saraswatikund, I'm guessing that Sahadev is being set up as the bali ka bakra (being the most dispensable person in the set) He will die in the course of enforcing Dadi's dictat and that may be the turning point for Dadi that we are all waiting for... No other real reason for Dadi's anointing him as the Guard of the Kund - even she would agree that once Shiva has given his word he's not going to cheat on her.

Edit-
Science & Religion is without any doubt one of the major themes in this show -

Reproducing something I wrote on Shruti's thread on Gupt Saraswati

- Remember when Sivanand first met Dr. Rao in the show they started off with that Einstein quote - "Science without Religion is lame; Religion without science is blind" - In a way that scene was almost a foreshadowing of Sivanand teasing out Rudr's sanchita karma by quoting half the Gita verse at him - the guru quoted first and the shishya completed it... It was almost like the password for a "secret society" come to think of it!

Happy ji,

Agree.

Dadi is a character written with clarity n conviction. On the other hand Maya is given idiotic scenes like repeatedly fixing shawls that are already in place or patting people's backs. Maya was never well written.

Dadi is clearly from old school. And sleeping for 24 years has effectively cut her off from reality. She wants the world to be exactly the same as when she went to sleep.

I found her line to Maya very puzzling. About Maya having the power to unite the panths. Something fishy.

Rudra is trying to understand his baba a little. But dadi is countering it.

This is a clash of personalities, generations, outlooks. Well played out. This will go on for some time.

Edited by pasumarthisa - 10 years ago

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Posted: 10 years ago

Nice post dear ..

Dadi's character was introduced to balance the loss of MaiMui .. however, she is nothing what I expected .. her characterization is not even 10% of MaiMui .. even with such a brilliant actress the CVs failed to create a significant persona out of the character - I find most of her characters hollow and meaningless

I agree with the title of the post -EGO- though dadi accuses Shiva to with one of the deadly sins, to be honest Dadi has it to the fullest. Her blindness amuses me .. I don't understand which woman will blame her son for her husband's death when the man himself wanted to die and the son remain confined in a confinement!!

Forget about Shiva's work, she doesn't even want to know where was Shiva till date .. how he was doing!! Is she only a wife, a grand mother and no mother at all?? There is no logic in saying - who can't save his family how he will be able to save the world?? When our army is guarding our country is borders, they are unable to safe their own family. If something happens to their family, blaming them will be simply idiotic .. isn't it?? I wonder hoe this woman can be so dumb to not get this simple thing.

And I somewhat disagree in Religion vs Science thing .. if a religion has conflict with science, then the religion is not religion by true means but some insignificant and illogical belief that must be avoided ..

I guess I have pointed out in some earlier post that ancient studies of Hindu religion has Sage Kanada's - Baisheshik Darshan that's pure physics & Sage Kapil's Shankhya Darshan .. even our mytho stories have scientific explanations behind them .. so if it is religion vs science - then also dadi is in wrong side by every means .. she neither understands science nor the religion ..

She is simply a balloon of ego who has nothing but one objective to prove her son wrong and establish her baseless povs right ... I don't know which mother does, I don't know if it's CVs failure or it was meant to be like this .. but Dadi is an utter annoying woman with NO important content to add

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MaddyO

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Posted: 10 years ago

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Originally posted by: spring089
correct
dadi didn't ask Shiva abt his well being during 24 yrs
she might be upset of losing everything she had including saraswati kund sometimes she appears too rude but wat we can expect . she bears a lot and just wants her family back

I wonder if Dadi seems more upset at losing the prominence & position Bramha Nishtha Panth enjoyed OR her family? If she was would she not tell Shiva about his wife not being in the house when it was burnt & try to find her whereabouts? Dadi's priority is the establishing of BNPanth to its former glory. To be fair to her Dadi knows this is an imp MK and this is the time her family would most have served the Kalpawasis.

Dadi is no weak crybaby she is tough and rigid in her set ways.

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