Originally posted by: elasingh
1...MVP now you come up with new invention that farman's issued by various begums are kept in NY, British library etc etc...but we find copies of farman issued by HB and Jo in India only...Why are farmans issued by Ruq are kept there I fail to understand? While I agree issuing farmans were no big deal and would easily believe that Salima may have that right ( not seen any farman issued by her) it is difficult to believe that farmans of Ruk are in foreign...
(Excuse when I visited these muesems the copy of framan were displayed sold to them by british officers or their family who got them(if you are aware of history the library of mughas were ransacked by british in 1857 after first war of independence, how am I supposed to give book name when they are not in book form? The mueueum displays in words that the farmans were issued by Mughal begums on behalf of Akbar, hope my point is understood by you, you can visit the muesuems and view them)
2...Giving child to raise is a old custom of Mughals...Even Babur gave custody of his favourate consort's kids to his first wife..So no big deal...Now where did you get the idea that Khurram was the future emperor and favourate child? If so then why was a tussel for power was between Khusaro and Salim? Why Jalal gave Khusaro a mansab of 50000 which was equal to Salim? It was Khusaro's name which was circulating for emperorship when Jalal was dying...not Khurram's...
If you read akbarnama it says that a astrologer predicted that khurram is born in most auspicious time and his fame will be more than Akbar, salim. Khurram was fav grandson of Akbar written in many books pls read Mughal books akbarnama, jehangirnama and other author books
3..Again u have to see Khurram's custody also in the light of keeping a tight hold on Salim..who was into drugs and was going to succeed Jalal...Plus a 45 year old woman getting a custody of child is not so important but speaks of pity not of importance...
Khurram custody has nothing to do with keeping tight hold on salim. Khurram was no hostage like Aurangzeb, dara to keep hold on shah jahan. Khusrau and Khurram both were close to Akbar
4..Why are you failing to give the names of books which provide you such informations? Why hide the name? I would like to read them and broaden my knowedge base...
Like I mentioned farmans are in mueum for other I have mentioned books read it
5..We are not saying that Akbar hated Ruq ..but she definitely was not so important as this serial and you ppl claim..and plz tell me where in Tuzuk have Salim said that Ruk was special to his father? No where at all...
Jehangir mentioned that Ruq as a wife was close to Akbar and hence khurram was given to her for upbringing. please read jehangirnama its there. I am claiming Akbar never loved any woman at all. Indeed I think he loved daulta shad whom he had two kids with and even forgave her relatives for trying to assainate him actually,
6...I live near Sikari and have visited it many times...and Jodhas palace has hardly two rooms(Summer time use) on north block and two rooms on south block(winter)..So where other Ranis stayed..Actually ppl think it is really a mahel..The fact is it is not...It is a small compound where Jo lived with her kids..That apart may I know where was the place for Ruq there? and where is the name of Ruq in Akbarnama? May I know how Akbar failed to mention her name in his book?
Pls visit Jehangir palace and Jodha place in agra fort all hindu wives stayed there not only Jodha.
Akbar ensured none of his wife name came into public space and they all stayed in purdah much more than a Jehangir wife/shah jahan wife. Pls read nath book and books on harem to know this angle.
7..I am willing to provide you a link for Vincent Smith's book right now..It is free to read..Seldom has a book on Akbar has been considered at par with this book...There is no false praise and no false critisism of Jalal..No majufication of Jalal over Jodha either...but the book does admit her huge influence on his policies and his changing..read this book and it will open ur eyes..
I have read it and I do not go by one book but my own conclusions reading several authors
8...MVP..I have often seen you and ur friends running down Jodha..U are willing to believe anything against her..According to you all she was unloved by her husband and her son too..I dont know why this hatread for Jodha ? What does Jodha repreasent in ur mind? What does she symbolises that brings so much hatread towards her?
You have come to your own conclusions. Not all humans have to think like you or say everything you think is only gospel truth. I retain my right to come to my own conclusions based on facts. Indeed I pity Jodha and hate Akbar. I never said Jehangir hated her indeed repeatedly in my posts I have said salim loved her very much but also that Jodha was barterd for powr by her family against her wishes most probabbly. The only comment I made was that Jehangir did not attend her funeral which I read in peackock throne- Mughal world. For that you assume I hate her. If you come to your own conclusions based on that I cannot do anything. And which gang do you talk off, there are many gangs here which try to not allow other and deviant points of view and cyber bully people to leave forum. I am not part of any gang 😆 I am independent and can state my views without fear/favour even if I have no support and only man standing on my view.
Indeed the hatred threads that were opened on this forum have been consistent without logic on other charcters. I have only posted one or two posts in 2 years of what I thought on Jodha being bartered previously that does not make me a Jodha baiter all I have is sympathy for her and her ilk.
9..Now I have given you the name of the book and can give you more names but it will be in Hindi only as I read in Hindi..I request you to provide me with the names of books abt Ruqlal..
Already replied.
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