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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Coolpree

How strange,

_ Siyasat is being praised as a realistic portrayal of Akbar and the Mughals, yet the biological mother MUZ is skipped all together by saying she is not necessary to the story line.

_While in a show which is supposed to be about the love story of Jodha and Akbar, the same audience is asking the CVs to show the angle of Ruks and Jalal love. And somehow that is going to improve the show.

Mughal e Azam was a masterpiece which convinced us about the love story between Salim and Anarkali because it did not mess with the other begums of Salim. The main characters of the movie were Salim/ Anarkali, with the support of Jodha and Akbar...No one else... no Maanbai...no Ruks...no Jagat... Thats how to portray a love story. Not introduce every begum, baandi ect of jallal. This is not a show about Akbar the Great ( although I love him). It was supposed to be about the jpurney of Jodha and Akbar. There is absolutely no need for a Ruks Jallal angle. No Matter how much some hate Jodha/MUZ the show is about this couple only!!!

Let the focus go back to them and now that they have made Ruks so evil she MUST be sidelined and SAlim has to repsect his own parents otherwise the audience will not be able to relate to this show like it did before

BTW prem I agree with all you have said but I dont think the CVs care to do any of the above.


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Posted: 10 years ago
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btw prem i am still confused and disturbed by that whole poisoning issue..akbar died of colic problems but something like slow poisoning must have led to the problem..otherwise he was athletic and enjoyed good health!..and salim had his mood swings due to apheem affect on the brain and u never know how the brain snaps the other way in a split second but in JA that angle will not be shown as all the main characters are unrealistically white washed!
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: ghalibmirza

prem, i want to see some reality..

akbar was never a one woman bhakt and ruk always held her position in his life and i want that angle of closeness between the two shown

i am not liking the candy floss scenes of akhda they look forced instead show some brief moments of passion which make us believe they were together one night

more emphasis should be laid upon akbar and his 9 gems and abul fazal played an important role but he is hardly shown and that actor seems to have good dialogue delivery with strong command on urdu!

salim anar angle should be reduced to minimum as both the actors esp salim are not that impressive!

positivity or no positivity i want to see the reality and no white wash characters!


maddy since u keep proclaiming Ruq lal friendship plz give me souce now..bahut ho gaya tumhara hawa main baat karna..OK I admit it does not matter to u that Ruk is not there in Akbarnama and even in Jahahnangirnama Salim does not even bother to call her badi ammi..
Where have you read abt this great frienship? I suggest you read Vincent Smith's "the great moghul"..Its one of the most renouned book on Jalal and read its page 80-85..It gives proof of Jodha Jalal relationship..
Mandy u have spread so much misinformation abt Ruqlal relationship..now is the time to give proof

And now if you try to dismiss that Vincent is some aira gaira writer then let me tell you that no historian in India forgets to mention Smith's work if he is writing on Akbar...whether it is Athar Ali, sheereen Moosavi, Irfan Habib or Satish Chandra or Y)adunaath Sarkar..

Edited by elasingh - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Guys it was in some book that Khurram exhibited pubic love for Mumtaz ...Salim hardly mentions Noor even in his bio ..he was by nature a very private person..
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: ghalibmirza



yes i do! because in reality they were close! ruk was plain looking and could not give jalal a child still he was kayal of her intelligence and wits and often consulted her..the reason he was close is that they were cousins and got married at such a young age that they grew up together and accepted each other..ruk never objected to him being physically involved with younger begums and concubines as her position was secure and jodha was never a threat to her as the real HK was intelligent and diplomatic as well. she very well knew ruk's position in harem and very tactfully she made her position and ruk never came in between her and jalal..jagat gosayini was more of a strong headed female who was not in good books of ruk that is why she got khurram from her and akbar could not say no to anything ruk wanted..but she did not do the same with salim, in fact she actually loved salim and this whole apheem thing is complete NR..my whole point is i want to see the reality..!




Proof do muzhe now abt Ruqlal friendship...bahut hawa main baat karli tumne..
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Coolpree

How strange,

_ Siyasat is being praised as a realistic portrayal of Akbar and the Mughals, yet the biological mother MUZ is skipped all together by saying she is not necessary to the story line.

_While in a show which is supposed to be about the love story of Jodha and Akbar, the same audience is asking the CVs to show the angle of Ruks and Jalal love. And somehow that is going to improve the show.

Mughal e Azam was a masterpiece which convinced us about the love story between Salim and Anarkali because it did not mess with the other begums of Salim. The main characters of the movie were Salim/ Anarkali, with the support of Jodha and Akbar...No one else... no Maanbai...no Ruks...no Jagat... Thats how to portray a love story. Not introduce every begum, baandi ect of jallal. This is not a show about Akbar the Great ( although I love him). It was supposed to be about the jpurney of Jodha and Akbar. There is absolutely no need for a Ruks Jallal angle. No Matter how much some hate Jodha/MUZ the show is about this couple only!!!

Let the focus go back to them and now that they have made Ruks so evil she MUST be sidelined and SAlim has to repsect his own parents otherwise the audience will not be able to relate to this show like it did before

BTW prem I agree with all you have said but I dont think the CVs care to do any of the above.

Exactly...It is Siyasat which is being talked abt here and see since the day JA followed siyasat since then it has also become a flop...In Siyasat also Ruq kills Jalal ..I hope those who r supporting Ruqlal and siyasat should accept that angle too...they cant be selective...

Indu Suderson is a novelist not a historian...Just as some famous novelist has made Karna-Draupadi angle romantic, does not mean it is true and Ved Vyas's version was wrong...No historian and I repeat no historian ever ever talk abt Ruq..Never...
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: elasingh

maddy since u keep proclaiming Ruq lal friendship plz give me souce now..bahut ho gaya tumhara hawa main baat karna..OK I admit it does not matter to u that Ruk is not there in Akbarnama and even in Jahahnangirnama Salim does not even bother to call her badi ammi..
Where have you read abt this great frienship? I suggest you read Vincent Smith's "the great moghul"..Its one of the most renouned book on Jalal and read its page 80-85..It gives proof of Jodha Jalal relationship..
Mandy u have spread so much misinformation abt Ruqlal relationship..now is the time to give proof

And now if you try to dismiss that Vincent is some aira gaira writer then let me tell you that no historian in India forgets to mention Smith's work if he is writing on Akbar...whether it is Athar Ali, sheereen Moosavi, Irfan Habib or Satish Chandra or Y)adunaath Sarkar..




I personally read Vincent Smith and also AkbarNama and I never read anywhere this so called Friendship angle of Ruk and Jalal. Ruks is hardly mentioned in these books. So My opinion is after reading these books only and I get totally a different picture. I would also love to read those books that specifies this RUks Jalal special relationship.

In fact Salima was close to Salim and not Ruks. Its pathetic to watch where Salim hates his Mother.



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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Coolpree

How strange,

_ Siyasat is being praised as a realistic portrayal of Akbar and the Mughals, yet the biological mother MUZ is skipped all together by saying she is not necessary to the story line.

_While in a show which is supposed to be about the love story of Jodha and Akbar, the same audience is asking the CVs to show the angle of Ruks and Jalal love. And somehow that is going to improve the show.

Mughal e Azam was a masterpiece which convinced us about the love story between Salim and Anarkali because it did not mess with the other begums of Salim. The main characters of the movie were Salim/ Anarkali, with the support of Jodha and Akbar...No one else... no Maanbai...no Ruks...no Jagat... Thats how to portray a love story. Not introduce every begum, baandi ect of jallal. This is not a show about Akbar the Great ( although I love him). It was supposed to be about the jpurney of Jodha and Akbar. There is absolutely no need for a Ruks Jallal angle. No Matter how much some hate Jodha/MUZ the show is about this couple only!!!

Let the focus go back to them and now that they have made Ruks so evil she MUST be sidelined and SAlim has to repsect his own parents otherwise the audience will not be able to relate to this show like it did before

BTW prem I agree with all you have said but I dont think the CVs care to do any of the above.



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Posted: 10 years ago
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Exactly Sindhu...Now I want proof for so called friendship..Akbar ne toh apni book Akbarnama main mention nahi kiya hai Ruq ko and neither is there any proof of such a relationship in Sikari buildings..So I want Mandy to provide proof to us..plz do..
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: ghalibmirza

btw prem i am still confused and disturbed by that whole poisoning issue..akbar died of colic problems but something like slow poisoning must have led to the problem..otherwise he was athletic and enjoyed good health!..and salim had his mood swings due to apheem affect on the brain and u never know how the brain snaps the other way in a split second but in JA that angle will not be shown as all the main characters are unrealistically white washed!

Excuse me U cant be selective...Either u accept whatever 20th wife shows as truth and agree that Ruq and Salim killed Jalal...U cant choose story as per ur convenience..

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