'Tune Kehdiya Alvida..' // What I don't agree with. - Page 5

Originally posted by: medha16

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Firstly, can I just love you for this post? 🤗 Your words were

Manik and Nandini are alike in their basic ways that actually matter the most...what is different is how they deal with situations.

Both of them have had different lives, different experiences and have gone through very emotionally draining times that have shaped up their personality.

While Nandini has been the logical, practical and responsible lady, shouldering immense stress from her childhood, For Manik it has been a journey where love has only caused him pain...he has learnt to deal with relationships in a business-like manner...give and take...he has learnt it the hard way and that will always stay with him, no matter what.

Nandini has been through so much already and she is afraid. The loss of her fireflies was a symbol of the loss of her beliefs and faith. She is too afraid to trust again, to love again. She fears that Manik would choose his friends over her once again if the situation arises. She was too broen the last time and she knows that she won't be able to deal with the pain, the rejection once again. And thus, she is removing herself from the situation by running away, from her love, from accepting her feelings, from giving Manik, giving them, another chance. Little does she realize that it will never be that easy for her or for him to stay away.She needs time to come to terms with her feelings and I'll grant her that. She is too overwhelmed right now with so much happening around her. she believes in her innocent mind that staying away would be better for them both, that they are "toxic"together but her hear will never accept that. Look how she is filling the void already.

Manik has had a much more complex life. To him, love equals pain and thus he cannot come to terms with that word and refuses to acknowledge that it's love that brings both of them together so-much-so that they can never stay apart how much ever they try. He has always been a man of extremes...he loves deeply, hates with a vengeance and trust doesn't come to him naturally, but when it does, he expects to have it all. He is egoistic and possessive...he wants it all , nothing is half-baked for him. He knows that nandini is all he wants but he does not know why. So Manik=Full on Passion! He always reminds of Edward Rochester(of Jane Eyre) in pieces..and Nandu=Idealistic=Jane Austen novels' heroine(or could become one as she grows up)Unless and until he admits his feelings to himself, I believe it is impossible for them to get together. Both of them need some time apart, to introspect, to come to terms with their feelings on their own, to realize the value of the other in their lives. The last time, it was all a whirlwind of raging hormones and shifting gears from hate to one-upping the other to passionate encounters in secret. They never really got a chance to know each other. Their trust is still fragile, trust is like the rungs of a ladder which you conquer step by step. Trust will only build with time, in those little discussions like you mentioned and those meaningful silences.

Maybe they needed this separation. I really don't blame Nandini here. I cannot. she is all of 17 and dealing with so much. Both of them need time. She still doesn't KNOW Manik well enough to realize that he will be lost without her as acting as his anchor. I want them to start afresh at a clean state. I don't need a relationship right now, all I ask for is companionship where they get to know each other from the start. The bond needs to grow, the trust needs to nurture and develop and the emotions need to be read and understood. Maybe, just maybe we will see that in the days to come once both of them realize how much they NEED the other in their lives for a semblance of normalcy, peace and comfort. that's what, on Diwali night, Manik said he needed-normalcy. I'll take a tentative friendship over a hurried confession anyday. ya..sometimes you don't even need a confession..i mean a confession moment or a confession day..coz if that's the high point and the climax things would become very boring after that..what next, then. and Anyways they are confessing everyday through eye-locks, gestures, expressions, words also and then by 'actions'. These will always speak louder than those three words..maybe. Now this is subjective. I hope, I really hope that their journey together takes forward logically one step at a time.

I'm not disappointed, just oddly hopeful!

Originally posted by: Firebolt

Dude, I heartz you, you know that right? We be the Manik protection squad4eve 🤣

I agree, obviously, with what you said. Her decision seemed a bit contradicting. She told him he doesn't care about himself or anyone else.. she knows this and yet she wants to leave him? He's self destructive and hopeless, lost and guarded.. he needs her so much and she left him.

On the other hand, maybe it's all too much for her? It almost seems like she's afraid of what they share. And can we blame her for that? Can we blame her for being human?

They share a deep bond, and while Nandini says she cares about him she doesn't realize, not fully, how deep her concern is and how deep his need is.

A few good things from today's episode, they're not hiding behind some charade, it's all in the open, they care about each other.

The funny thing is these two think that after putting so much on the table, his vulnerability, her admittance, they really think they can be away from each other. He's angry and she's scared but those emotions are conquerable. We'll just have to wait for it.

Originally posted by: charminggenie

Going to play the Devil's advocate here.

Trust for them means the same thing, explicit and one which comes with no questions. Right now even nandu trusts Manik and vice-versa. The problem is not that they don't trust each other enough or their abilities to handle things but Nandini's problem and to certain extent she is right, is with lack of trust in what they share. How can she when they both are struggling to understand it or name it. Like she said today, it's not about them individually but as us. Will their ideological differences push them further . For her she feels they are never able to remove the "I" from their "us" equation. They fail to see or think of each other as a unit. They both are making decisions for both of them without thinking about another. This is their problem. Nandini feels they can never be able to work around it.She has been vocal about the absence of "we" and "us",all this while.

Yes they both are making decisions for both of them without thinking of each other. very true. Right now they both are struggling with the question-Why can't we be together? He had asked her earlier-what should we tell them about us and i wonder why she hesitated with the answer-because she was shy or she did not know the answer? Now he' asking her why can't they be together and she is giving various reasons-she cannot trust him, then that they both have a stubborn nature which will lead to hurting each other, then that he doesn't care for himself, hmmm..you are right.She is basically pointing out the ideological differences in them.

Both of them don't know what love is. They are teens , havn't experienced this surge of emotions and it is unfair to expect them to understand the depth of it.

If Manik has never thought that love could happen to him or understand what it feels to be in love or loving someone. Nandini has a very idealistic , fairy-tale notion of love. For her it's what her mother told her, that love is all light , happiness and burst of bliss. She believes that this love is everything.

Agree. Well-explained.

Once Manik told Cabir that one cannot leave love incomplete ever , this is exactly what happened to Nandini. She was all willing to share her version of love with Manik and express it to him , but what happened , he walked away , left it incomplete. Shattering all that she believed in love.Her idea of love was broken. The one she has been holding close to her for years , since her mother left.

This hurt, this pain , she never knew that it is part of love too.So she too like Manik doesn't realize what love truly is. They cannot because this is all consuming, all evolving and keeps changing.

She just feels that something as pious, as beautiful as love can hurt this much. Hence she is like, is it even worth it? She cannot build the hopes of true love under the shadows of fear that all this can go down to dust in any second.

Yes Manik needs her because he is rash, brash and needs her light to guide him through darkness. But Nandini doesn't know that right? For her he was better of, happy and SAFE with his fab5 before they collided with each other. They didn't cry or get hurt like this. She doesn't know the significance of her presence in his life because he hasn't told her what she means to him. All he expects from her is to be near him, shine him but never tells her why does he want it. Not his fault , because he is himself so unaware.

But whenever he is around her , every belief she had since her childhood is shattering. His presence, the hurt he gives keeps on contradicting with what her mother told her.What she believed in. Her struggle is as real as his ignorance .

They don't know the "why" behind this feelings and what they brought to their relationship. Hence for Nandini it's always been tears and pain. And for him, it's all about her Alvida.

Yup they both are stuck at the points where they felt the most hurt-they are stuck and unable to see beyond their pain.

These kids don't understand the depth of what they share hence their lack of trust.

As much as we know why they are essential for each other , they don't . This is why I want this track to make them realize their importance ans reflect why it's anything but toxic.

Manik needs to understand that it's not her care only but love for him that makes her worry and cry. He needs to realize why he needs her around too , why he listens to her all the time and also what he brings to her heart?

Nandini on the other hand needs to embrace that pain is part of love. That trust in a relationship is a continuous process and it can only be build by constant failures and successes. She has to understand that one cannot give up on love .Ever.

If Nandu today stays with him because he will destroy himself then that is toxic and unhealthy. It is putting condition on their unconditional . She will always suffer from saviour complex and be all guilty in their relationship while Manik will never realize what he is making her accept.

Nandu raised a very good point , Manik self-destructs , he doesn't value himself . How can she trust her heart with someone who doesn't care for himself? Doesn't he realize that him being careful for himself is what she wants. She doesn't want to be the conditions apply on his behaviour. It will be mollycoddling a baby Manik who refuses to grow up.

I support both of them , because they are young and they are discussing , feeling those emotions which are usually candy wrapped. I liked their equation today, the pathos of realizing that they are away and missing each other is what should be the first precursor to their realization of true love.

Originally posted by: blah_blah13

Well I do agree with you on some level but I also think that their love is frankly a lot of drama and chaos. It is like they can't even breathe and their love can be very suffocating. There have only been some moments where they've been stable for one another and for a relationship to succeed, love is not the only requirement. A lot of other things are needed which they both don't seem to be ready for! Maybe its just the initial days of their love..that's why they are inseparable. But for many people even after years they are honeymoon couple. Ahh stability-rightly said the ultimate need of relationships, life-stability. monotony can be boring..but the monotony of a stable relationship, of life-how reassuring it can be and the lack of it is chaotic.
Just a thought!
More than anything, I think the writers are just stretching the story 'cause they know once they get together there will be a lull.

Originally posted by: nneeiill

nice post as always rida 😛

but yes i disagree with some points ..am not good at writing but let me try 😆

why do we expect nandu to save manik always..to steer away from darkness etc...what about nandu..who is there for her???? in love both are equal...as many said..if today she had accepted him ..will it be out of love.. NO...it will be only out of fear...

he has always put forward what he wants from her...he wants her to shine for him..trust him...and be in her prayers...has he ever said what he will do ??? where does she stands in his priority list.??..just getting angry..jamming music is not enough...even she needs reassurance... before the dhruv episode..she went with a flow..so innocently unaware of the complications of love..it was just like fairy tale for her...and now look at her..can she get back to what she was??..her trust has been brutally shaken...and we still expect her to be anchoring him ??..i think its too much to expect from a gal who herself is not able to handle all these new feelings...manik has cabir..fab 5..around him ..yea he cant share though he has option to do atleast...but look at nandu..her condition is even worse..all alone..no friends nothing...and today she dint merely walked away..she showed how much he means to her..he is not a kid that she needs to spell it out ...when will he start looking into his own heart ..? even nandu needs him just like he needs her...putting all the burden of relationship on nandu is totally unfair.

Originally posted by: MaybeSomeday...

I think I totally get what you're saying. I, also, exactly get Nandu for doing what she's doing. Manik has immensely hurt her and a kidnapping combined with a forceful sorry doesn't cut his work for him. But that's the point I guess. Nandini told Manik that they're both toxic for one another and they can't be together. I'd like to say that both of them know eachother enough by now to know each other's flaws and not just the flaws but the people they're. When Nandu fell in love with Manik, he was that insensitive, brute, asshole. That was the man she chose to love anyway. And same for Manik. He still doesn't care less or atleast his attiude relfects that he cares less when its not his friends or now Nandini. Nandini has become one great exception. Even now he doesn't talk properly to strangers.for eg Abhimanyu. Then he threw the cholas just to show Nandu that he's angry. Now it's totally another thing that his external behaviour doesn't truly reflect the softie that he is.
I think it's also because Nandini somewhere realized it's love. Manik didn't. Had the Dhruv thing not happened Nandini would've told Manik that her mother used to say that fireflies glow when there's true love, indirectly confessing her own. Whereas Manik couldn't have even fathomed the world love then.
But I understand Nandu, like totally. She's been hurt, she has all the rights to even tell him to go to hell and stay there. and maybe that's not what i was thinking bout. I'm just concerned that whereas Nandini can associate love with good memories even if she've gotten bad ones, Manik can never associate it with anything good. He needs guidance and there's noone to do it and show him the difference. Sometimes a relationship is not gardens. its also thorns and pain. I didn't really want nandu to blame herself for Manik's condition, I guess. I wanted her to understand that he's responsible for what happened to him. That he can be so self destructive at times and she can heal him by being near than far. and is that not love? Understanding and compassion and healing? Not because she should feel forced to but because maybe cos she knows the good side of love and tender care and affection and she could've showed it to him at a time when he needed most. Not By going straight into i love you let's be together, but by just giving him her support. Not fully leaving him.

but even though I somehow felt that more should've been said between them, not a love confession, just more than the toxicity, I still understand why she did what she did.

I be very Manik biased.🤣

Originally posted by: eveline

Well if you are looking for a debate...I cant help you coz all I can do is 👏👏!! Beautiful analysis...simply gorgeous!!

What I feel about Manek ..its difficult to put in words as I love complex charactes..so I m deviating on just another tangent but basically the same zone. The one thing I absolutely love about this guy is his strength, his steel core. And the way he protects and nurtures those he considers truly his. Usually such men are so bitter and harsh..he is that...but at the same time he is also a nourisher and nurturer. I find it mind boggling that he still has the capacity to love and love selflessly and endlessly. No..I am not denying that he is a dangerous man, a loose cannon. His volatility, his aggression, his single minded drive...all that makes him irresistible, makes him fatal too. But, still...he is unique. Just look around him and see all his friends emerging from broken homes, they all are pretty needy, quite incapable of looking beyond their limited views...but Manek is the only one that managed to retain some humanity. He basically carries this whole group on his strong shoulders, their burdens, their well being, their lives...its all his responsibility. And is amazing to see that a man who is so empty from the inside is still capable of giving so much out to others, filling up other's worlds. And yet he is a bully, a meanie...Manek is all shades of gray...Lets just say that Nyonika has taught him well...and what she didn't he taught himself...he can survive in this world and emerge a winner!!

Wow! I love how you defined his character. And that's why one can never dislike Manik for anything he does coz of everyone here on the forum. Maybe there's a feeling of emptiness in him but he is not empty at all..there might always have been in his heart lots of love and other beautiful emotions to give out to people..he's generous extremely generous with those who find a place in his heart. he's selective.but yes the feeling of emptiness is there because he did not receive what he gave out...the lack of love or the lack of expression of love from his mom and and an absent father is responsible for that void and also because he has no awareness of the love that is residing in him..love cannot be experienced with a closed heart and his heart might have been closed and he did not know how to open himself to that love and when Nandini came, she broke all the walls..and his heart opened up and love automatically flowed...the love that was already there in him..she was the key that unlocked the love in his heart. The only thing he might still not be aware of the presence of that love inside him.

Quoting

"When you choose the intent to learn about loving yourself, the heart automatically opens. When you want responsibility for defining your own worth, for creating your own sense of safety, and for taking loving action in your own behalf, the heart opens and the energy of love that is spirit flows freely, replacing the empty feeling with the fullness of love. Giving to others is deeply fulfilling when we are loving ourselves"

Nandini...on the other hand..she is a sweetheart!! Simple and pure..simply white!! No traces of any other color here. She suffered big losses...but the love she was surrounded with healed her and gave her the power of healing too. She values relationships cause she has been cushioned by them all her life. For her life is as straight forward as she is. It's either white or black no grays understood here. She is indeed god's child, a blessing to all she manages to touch with her sweetness. And she touched him...she loves him with all her heart. Yet..some times I feel Manek's barren waste of life is way beyond her comprehension. She still does not understand the extent of damage life has done to Manek. She loves him, but has not yet understood Manek's desperate needs. Manek has always projected himself as a tough nut to crack, strong, independent, head strong and stubborn, always taking charge, always in control. And that's how Nandini too has perceived him. To know the real Manek, she needs to see him a different light, a different angle. And they have never had that much time or opportunity, fate has denied them that pleasure. Ironical, that Manek coming from his very different background understands Nandini so well...he reads her like a book, while Nandini a normal simple girl, is unable to fathom Manek's turbulent depths.

Nandini will always do what she thinks is right, the virtue of goodness her trademark...Manek on the other hand knows that there are no rights and wrongs in this world. Nandini I feel is just running scared. The stormy seas, the churning chaos Manek have shown her, have scarred and scared her. She just doesn't know how to handle this choking emotion she feels for this very volatile man. She is so afraid to be with him cause she has paid a heavy price. And till she realizes that now she has been marked by his love, there is no getting out...its either pain without him or pain with him..she will learn to cope...adapt to fight ...not against him but with him. She needs to know that there is no going back...love is always a one way street and with Manek its not even a street...its a door..once you enter you are locked for life...she cannot leave him now. She is truly shackled to her monster and try as she might she cannot be rescued...till she realizes this simple yet complex fact Manek's pain will know no relief