'Tune Kehdiya Alvida..' // What I don't agree with.

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"Life Mein Kuch Bhi Free Nahi Milta. It's All Give And Take." - Manik.

"Dunya Mein Her Relationship Give And Take Hota Hai. So Don't Fool Yourself Ke Iske Beyond Bhi Koi Relationship Hota Hai." - Nyonika

Today I'm not going to be poetic. Today, I'm just going to talk. Not that I ever was poetic so to say. I think everyone already knows my love for Manik. I LOVE HIM. I love that guy and I'd even say I'm biased toward him. You'd think I was supporting him, but kal tak, till yesterday, you would've been wrong.

Till yesterday's episode aired I was all for Nandini. I, if not completely, did understand where she was coming from. I understood her insecurities and fears as a girl. Till yesterday I saw why for Nandini it all turned out to be toxic, why she thought what she did. Why was it so important for her to distance herself from Manik. Because, no matter what happened, we cannot deny what had bred between them. Their relationship, if has its good memories, also, has its ugliest scars. The kind that have in them, the potential, to weaken the whole structure. And didn't it happen?

Was it just the lack of trust amidst them? Not exactly. It was not just trust but the difference of ideologies as well. Sometimes, in all the baser emotions we forget the characteristics that make a personality, the values that breed the blood. I'd again say, Manik and Nandini are more alike than they're different. Both of them stubborn, loyal to a fault, selfless and impulsive to the core.

But both of them also have different values at heart. Both of them deal with situations differently. Both of them see things in a different manner. Both of them believe in handling matters differently, both of them have different opinions.

Like trust.

Both of them believe that trust is important for love.

But even then both of their respective definitions and limitations of trust are vastly different.

For Manik trust is implicit and bare. Naked. Give it all, without question, see through, feel it, for Manik trust is a gift very few people can give and maybe that's how he protects himself. Because he is, if nothing, than a demanding man. Of himself and others.

For Nandini, trust is a different matter altogether.

But trust is not the magic a wand can weave. It's the roots of a tree that takes a lot of time to grow. Doesn't happen overnight. Not even in a month or three. Trust is knowing that person.

I'd say that Nandini knows Manik in more ways than anyone but it still is FAB5 who trusts him more. Not the adhering to his decisions like he's some God part, but knowing, and trusting his capabilities and boundaries as a person. Knowing that Manik won't have killed Harshad. Knowing that Manik is capable of this but not that.

And even their trust falters at places. Dhruv's had when Manik had something he hadn't meant to Nandini. Like always. And Manik had been deeply hurt when Dhruv had taken his words for what they were. Because for Manik, trust is not in the words but in the eyes, in the soul.

But for Nandini to give him that there has to be more than just being apart. Trust builds when a relationship builds. Trust builds in those pillow talks, in those quiet moments where you just sit together and bare your hearts. When he tells you he hates the color yellow or you tell him your favorite childhood memory or when you tell them that which has hurt you the most or has been the nearest to you.

Yes, till yesterday, I was all for Nandini because I did feel that somewhere she'd cried more than laughed along with Manik. That somewhere Manik, my impulsive, foolish boy, who is also arrogant enough to think that he can solve anything with an apology, that he can get whatever he wants, has to realize that an apology cannot solve everything. That, you've to own up to your actions and that you have to know what it is to have had something so precious and then lost it because of your mistake. Until you don't, how will you know the worth of it? How will you stop taking it so casually? There in lied a lesson, a bitter one, my Manik had to learn.

He had to realize he loved her, he had to apologize to her, for not just hurting her, but for every single act of his that had somehow wounded her since the day he'd met her. He'd to fill the next pages of their story with so much beauty that the doubts and the scars no longer remained. That her concerns no longer remained.

So what changed yesterday? Nothing. Everything. For me it did.

I realized something else. When Nyonika told Manik he canot play the guitar and when Manik turned his frustrated gaze on the guitar and took off with it. I realized.

I realized that Manik cannot do all of that on his own. I realized that Manik cannot be expected to take all those steps, alone. His mother always taught him that relationships were give and take. Give something, have something. He'd been, in a sense, paying a debt he can never repay to Dhruv. For him, his friends have given him so much, hope, happiness, life, a bond unlike any and he makes sure that nobody ever ever can harm them. Yes he loves them, but the baser instinct and value is same. Give and take.

If you don't give enough, you don't get enough. Make mistakes, pay for them. The more mistakes you make, the more you'll pay. Aren't they Nyonika's words? And don't they ring so true with Manik's life?

So what did I exactly realize?

I realized that Manik cannot tell Nandini that he loves her, because he doesn't even know what love is. Love is too much, a big gaping hole that has given him nothing but pain, something so ugly that he doesn't even want to associate with it. He's been nothing but lonely. I realized that Manik is foolish and stupid and he'd harm himself again and again. He'd pick that guitar up, he'll not care for his own hand. He'll do wrong things and I realized that there will be no one to guide him.

Today, I heard what Nandini had to say with a lot of patience. She said that they were bad for each other. But I question her, do you not realize what'll happen if you leave him? He needs you so much Nandini. Manik needs you so much so he doesn't do something impulsive and foolish. He needs you to care for him the way only you and you can do. He needs your sensibility when he's being irrational. He needs you to calm him. He needs you to actually show him what love is and what care is and what's just sitting there and feeding someone 5 bites of food. He needs you to scold him when he tries to strain his hand, he needs you to teach to him, that which you know, and mend in him that which is broken. He needs you to take all his pain and the burden he carries as much as he wants to take away yours. He needs to know you. You need to know him. He needs to know the darkness inside you, you need to know the darkness inside him.

We think that a relationship should always start when the confession has happened. But most relationships in the world are what lead to the love. Because that's what love is, isn't it? Knowing a person more and more, feeling home in them, and falling for them more everday? A little more tomorrow than you did today.

But, also, he needs her, to teach him, that love is forgiving the flaws and giving a chance. A chance when it matters so much. That love is not just how much you give me. It's giving unconditionally and not expecting anything. That love is being there and love is forgiving and love is believing. Until you don't believe in what you've, you can never work it out. And for that belief to happen, for you to know that you'll solve all your problems and do it together, there has to be a bond of steel amidst you.

So, yes, today I don't support Nandini's decision. I do believe had she decided that today, Manik needed her more than anything, that Manik can harm himself at times with his foolish acts, that he needed her calmness, her care, her love to become the man she wants him to be, that Manik can never be that man until she helps him become that, that some things are meant to be achieved together rather than apart, that sometimes forgiving is not illogical it's simply divine, I would've been really glad.

But I also said in my first topic. A good character who has the ability to hex me and vex me, make me frustrated and yet rooted to my seat is one I root for. Can't wait for the future tracks.

#MYMANIKBESOHOT

#likeomfgmyoldmanikisback

#thisgottoolong

#ILOVEHIMBAS

Also, I believe a lot of people will disagree with me. I think the reason I'm posting this is because I want to hear the other side. I want a good debate, something that'll change my own pov XD

Okaythanksbye lmao

RIDA.


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I get where you are coming from Rida. But giving another chance is not always easy. I know you get that as well but the case is huge...this mistrust meant the world to her.

Nandu has lost all the strength to lay trust in him again. Not that she says it is impossible but she can't accept him in her life w/o it. One has to see where she comes from. She lived a life thinking about fireflies, thinking when true love will come it will sweep her off her feet, all those cutesy-mushy dreams she has been seeing ever since she came to know about the concept of love and this man breaks it all...all of it.

How can she start trusting him all over again when he hasn't even said that yes, I promise I will never do it again. Maybe he means it from within but sometimes words make so much of a difference. Manik has to bridge this gap...where she can say "I trust you." again.

Nandu also has to take a step forward...she can't plan to stay away from him just coz she thinks this is the best thing for them...as she says this is about US.

This is more of a battle of both of them...he has to make her trust him again and she has to move forward and realize that staying together is the BEST thing for them, staying away will give them more pain and nothing else.
Edited by zohasad2.0 - 10 years ago
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Rida, this was beautiful as always. You know how much I love reading you.
Uh, do I disagree with you? No. What you said about Manik's understanding of relationships is perfectly true. The reason he's so ultra-protective about Dhruv/Fab5 is that he feels indebted to them in so many ways. There are only two things in the world which seem to have given him this pure unadulterated joy, and that is his music, and Nandini. That Nandini from the pre-Musicana days who gave him her trust without his asking for it, who hugged him back without asking any questions when he grabbed her outside her house, and who selflessly promised him everything he asked of her.

So, is the Nandini we see today the same girl? No she isn't. Manik needs Nandini to comprehend love in all its beauty, I agree with you on that. But he also needs to do some growing-up on his own. If Nandini had come back to him today, it would have been out of guilt and fear for him. Nandini cannot be Manik's saviour. No human being should ever be anyone's 'saviour', in my opinion. That's not love, and it would have been no different from the ManRuv friendship. He loves her because she saved him, she loves him because he protects her. Do you see how unhealthy that is? It'd have been a rinse, repeat of their past , with a heightened awareness of their feelings.

Manik might not realise on his own that he loves Nandini. But he does need to love himself first. Nandini said it today, he does not care for himself, he does not care for anyone else. It was harsh and not entirely true, but he needs to respect the love others have for him. Nandini, his friends. He is reckless and self-destructive, and if he has listened to anything Nandini has been saying to him for so long, he'll work on it himself. Show her that he's trying. It is not something anyone else can do for him. As an individual, there are certain battles we have to fight alone. Nandini is his star, she has told him in plain words, again and again, to cherish the good in himself. She will always protect him from going over the edge, but he has to remember that in doing so, she's herself inching closer to that dark edge every single time. Nandini has a lot of realisations of her own pending, but this, this is not something any human should be set up to.

I don't know how much sense I made here. Not a lot, I expect. But Manik is back to soaring hotness again, and I'm kinda fangirling here, so pliss to excuse. 😆

Edited by BoxedIn - 10 years ago
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Firstly, can I just love you for this post? 🤗 Your words were

Manik and Nandini are alike in their basic ways that actually matter the most...what is different is how they deal with situations.
Both of them have had different lives, different experiences and have gone through very emotionally draining times that have shaped up their personality.
While Nandini has been the logical, practical and responsible lady, shouldering immense stress from her childhood, For Manik it has been a journey where love has only caused him pain...he has learnt to deal with relationships in a business-like manner...give and take...he has learnt it the hard way and that will always stay with him, no matter what.

Nandini has been through so much already and she is afraid. The loss of her fireflies was a symbol of the loss of her beliefs and faith. She is too afraid to trust again, to love again. She fears that Manik would choose his friends over her once again if the situation arises. She was too broen the last time and she knows that she won't be able to deal with the pain, the rejection once again. And thus, she is removing herself from the situation by running away, from her love, from accepting her feelings, from giving Manik, giving them, another chance. Little does she realize that it will never be that easy for her or for him to stay away.She needs time to come to terms with her feelings and I'll grant her that. She is too overwhelmed right now with so much happening around her. she believes in her innocent mind that staying away would be better for them both, that they are "toxic"together but her hear will never accept that. Look how she is filling the void already.

Manik has had a much more complex life. To him, love equals pain and thus he cannot come to terms with that word and refuses to acknowledge that it's love that brings both of them together so-much-so that they can never stay apart how much ever they try. He has always been a man of extremes...he loves deeply, hates with a vengeance and trust doesn't come to him naturally, but when it does, he expects to have it all. He is egoistic and possessive...he wants it all , nothing is half-baked for him. He knows that nandini is all he wants but he does not know why. Unless and until he admits his feelings to himself, I believe it is impossible for them to get together. Both of them need some time apart, to introspect, to come to terms with their feelings on their own, to realize the value of the other in their lives. The last time, it was all a whirlwind of raging hormones and shifting gears from hate to one-upping the other to passionate encounters in secret. They never really got a chance to know each other. Their trust is still fragile, trust is like the rungs of a ladder which you conquer step by step. Trust will only build with time, in those little discussions like you mentioned and those meaningful silences.

Maybe they needed this separation. I really don't blame Nandini here. I cannot. she is all of 17 and dealing with so much. Both of them need time. She still doesn't KNOW Manik well enough to realize that he will be lost without her as acting as his anchor. I want them to start afresh at a clean state. I don't need a relationship right now, all I ask for is companionship where they get to know each other from the start. The bond needs to grow, the trust needs to nurture and develop and the emotions need to be read and understood. Maybe, just maybe we will see that in the days to come once both of them realize how much they NEED the other in their lives for a semblance of normalcy, peace and comfort. I'll take a tentative friendship over a hurried confession anyday. I hope, I really hope that their journey together takes forward logically one step at a time.

I'm not disappointed, just oddly hopeful!
Edited by medha16 - 10 years ago
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Dude, I heartz you, you know that right? We be the Manik protection squad4eve 🤣

I agree, obviously, with what you said. Her decision seemed a bit contradicting. She told him he doesn't care about himself or anyone else.. she knows this and yet she wants to leave him? He's self destructive and hopeless, lost and guarded.. he needs her so much and she left him.

On the other hand, maybe it's all too much for her? It almost seems like she's afraid of what they share. And can we blame her for that? Can we blame her for being human?

They share a deep bond, and while Nandini says she cares about him she doesn't realize, not fully, how deep her concern is and how deep his need is.

A few good things from today's episode, they're not hiding behind some charade, it's all in the open, they care about each other.

The funny thing is these two think that after putting so much on the table, his vulnerability, her admittance, they really think they can be away from each other. He's angry and she's scared but those emotions are conquerable. We'll just have to wait for it.
Edited by Firebolt - 10 years ago
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Nice post😊
i understand what you want to say, and i agree with your perception of Manik completely...
it's true he doesnt really know what love means given his own family background
and i also agree that Nandini is the only one who can really help him, and she will with time😳

but what we shouldnt forget is that forgiveness should be given and not asked nor forced and Nandini needs time to gather herself and her thoughts and really bring herself to forgive him from the bottom of her heart and on her own...

only then she'd be able to come forward and guide him as his shining bright light in a dark tunnel... what i mean is that for the time being Nandini herself no longer feels she can shine for him... i dont know if i'm able to explain my pov😕

anyway relations are complex things and humans are also complicated beings
and actually both need each other to heal their wounds😳
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Originally posted by: MaybeSomeday...

Both of them believe that trust is important for love.

But even then both of their respective definitions and limitations of trust are vastly different.

For Manik trust is implicit and bare. Naked. Give it all, without question, see through, feel it, for Manik trust is a gift very few people can give and maybe that's how he protects himself. Because he is, if nothing, than a demanding man. Of himself and others.

For Nandini, trust is a different matter altogether.

But trust is not the magic a wand can weave. It's the roots of a tree that takes a lot of time to grow. Doesn't happen overnight. Not even in a month or three. Trust is knowing that person.

I'd say that Nandini knows Manik in more ways than anyone but it still is FAB5 who trusts him more. Not the adhering to his decisions like he's some God part, but knowing, and trusting his capabilities and boundaries as a person. Knowing that Manik won't have killed Harshad. Knowing that Manik is capable of this but not that.

And even their trust falters at places. Dhruv's had when Manik had something he hadn't meant to Nandini. Like always. And Manik had been deeply hurt when Dhruv had taken his words for what they were. Because for Manik, trust is not in the words but in the eyes, in the soul.

THIS. They both know the value of trust in a relationship, in love. But each defines it in their own way. To Nandini, never playing with the person's emotions who loves you is trust. To Manik, being able to read the person's eyes, to look beyond the actions and words is trust. Both concepts are right but also incomplete individually. This is possibly one of the many ways MaNan completes each other, because individually they lack the other half feature but together they ARE trust, they just need time and a little growth to realize that.

But for Nandini to give him that there has to be more than just being apart. Trust builds when a relationship builds. Trust builds in those pillow talks, in those quiet moments where you just sit together and bare your hearts. When he tells you he hates the color yellow or you tell him your favorite childhood memory or when you tell them that which has hurt you the most or has been the nearest to you.

...

So what changed yesterday? Nothing. Everything. For me it did.

I realized something else. When Nyonika told Manik he canot play the guitar and when Manik turned his frustrated gaze on the guitar and took off with it. I realized.

I realized that Manik cannot do all of that on his own. I realized that Manik cannot be expected to take all those steps, alone. His mother always taught him that relationships were give and take. Give something, have something. He'd been, in a sense, paying a debt he can never repay to Dhruv. For him, his friends have given him so much, hope, happiness, life, a bond unlike any and he makes sure that nobody ever ever can harm them. Yes he loves them, but the baser instinct and value is same. Give and take.

If you don't give enough, you don't get enough. Make mistakes, pay for them. The more mistakes you make, the more you'll pay. Aren't they Nyonika's words? And don't they ring so true with Manik's life?

So what did I exactly realize?

I realized that Manik cannot tell Nandini that he loves her, because he doesn't even know what love is. Love is too much, a big gaping hole that has given him nothing but pain, something so ugly that he doesn't even want to associate with it. He's been nothing but lonely. I realized that Manik is foolish and stupid and he'd harm himself again and again. He'd pick that guitar up, he'll not care for his own hand. He'll do wrong things and I realized that there will be no one to guide him.

Today, I heard what Nandini had to say with a lot of patience. She said that they were bad for each other. But I question her, do you not realize what'll happen if you leave him? He needs you so much Nandini. Manik needs you so much so he doesn't do something impulsive and foolish. He needs you to care for him the way only you and you can do. He needs your sensibility when he's being irrational. He needs you to calm him. He needs you to actually show him what love is and what care is and what's just sitting there and feeding someone 5 bites of food. He needs you to scold him when he tries to strain his hand, he needs you to teach to him, that which you know, and mend in him that which is broken. He needs you to take all his pain and the burden he carries as much as he wants to take away yours. He needs to know you. You need to know him. He needs to know the darkness inside you, you need to know the darkness inside him.

I think the idea of love scares Manik and overwhelms him. He's been denied of love from his childhood and the idea of love or true love to him is too good to be true, he has convinced himself it is something that exists only in stupid fairytales and cheesy lovestories, or it is something that only the "good boys" like Dhruv deserves. But like Abhi has put it, he NEEDS love. Like NOW. There is only one thing in the world that works as a barrier between him and his self-destructing attitude and that is Nandini.

Seriously, the only part where I keep questioning Nandini's decision is when she says they shouldn't be together because they aren't good for each other, like they are toxic. She is the same girl who had come up with the Harshad plan because she knew Manik's impulsive nature. She knew Manik would end up destroying himself if nobody's there to guide him. She somehow just knew that she is the only person capable of stopping him. What happened to that girl? I know she is young, she is hurt, her emotions are all over the place and she doesn't know what to do with them. But we've already seen her acting way more mature than her age and that's one of the traits that amazes me every time. Is it too much to expect the same level of maturity from her once again? I don't know, I kinda expected her to be considerate of Manik's hand injury and his tendency to give in to his impulses, because as it seems, she obviously can't stay away from him. Why even try?? But then again, Manik has done some pretty unforgivable things to Nandini in the past and I have forgiven him for those (except for that rag where he makes that godawful yucky noodley thingy garnishing it with his spit for Nandini to eat, that was too inhumane😳)..so I can look past Nandini's super logic for once I think.

We think that a relationship should always start when the confession has happened. But most relationships in the world are what lead to the love. Because that's what love is, isn't it? Knowing a person more and more, feeling home in them, and falling for them more everday? A little more tomorrow than you did today.

...

But I also said in my first topic. A good character who has the ability to hex me and vex me, make me frustrated and yet rooted to my seat is one I root for. Can't wait for the future tracks.

#MYMANIKBESOHOT

#likeomfgmyoldmanikisback

#thisgottoolong

#ILOVEHIMBAS

*sigh* Your hashtag make me remember the old Monster Manik..He is back with a bang but also with a broken heart..he is same but also not the same and it pains me everytime I see him putting up that I-don't-give-a-shit faade in front of everyone.

Also, I believe a lot of people will disagree with me. I think the reason I'm posting this is because I want to hear the other side. I want a good debate, something that'll change my own pov XD

Okaythanksbye lmao

RIDA.

Rida I louu your post and I LOBE YOUUU❤️🤗 I be sho chorry for not being able too debate with you on the topic. Just accept my apology 😡*throws 'apology' Manik style* 😎


Edited by rubys07 - 10 years ago
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Going to play the Devil's advocate here.
Trust for them means the same thing, explicit and one which comes with no questions. Right now even nandu trusts Manik and vice-versa. The problem is not that they don't trust each other enough or their abilities to handle things but Nandini's problem and to certain extent she is right, is with lack of trust in what they share. How can she when they both are struggling to understand it or name it. Like she said today, it's not about them individually but as us. Will their ideological differences push them further . For her she feels they are never able to remove the "I" from their "us" equation. They fail to see or think of each other as a unit. They both are making decisions for both of them without thinking about another. This is their problem. Nandini feels they can never be able to work around it.She has been vocal about the absence of "we" and "us",all this while.


Both of them don't know what love is. They are teens , havn't experienced this surge of emotions and it is unfair to expect them to understand the depth of it.
If Manik has never thought that love could happen to him or understand what it feels to be in love or loving someone. Nandini has a very idealistic , fairy-tale notion of love. For her it's what her mother told her, that love is all light , happiness and burst of bliss. She believes that this love is everything.

Once Manik told Cabir that one cannot leave love incomplete ever , this is exactly what happened to Nandini. She was all willing to share her version of love with Manik and express it to him , but what happened , he walked away , left it incomplete. Shattering all that she believed in love.Her idea of love was broken. The one she has been holding close to her for years , since her mother left.

This hurt, this pain , she never knew that it is part of love too.So she too like Manik doesn't realize what love truly is. They cannot because this is all consuming, all evolving and keeps changing.

She just feels that something as pious, as beautiful as love can hurt this much. Hence she is like, is it even worth it? She cannot build the hopes of true love under the shadows of fear that all this can go down to dust in any second.

Yes Manik needs her because he is rash, brash and needs her light to guide him through darkness. But Nandini doesn't know that right? For her he was better of, happy and SAFE with his fab5 before they collided with each other. They didn't cry or get hurt like this. She doesn't know the significance of her presence in his life because he hasn't told her what she means to him. All he expects from her is to be near him, shine him but never tells her why does he want it. Not his fault , because he is himself so unaware.
But whenever he is around her , every belief she had since her childhood is shattering. His presence, the hurt he gives keeps on contradicting with what her mother told her.What she believed in. Her struggle is as real as his ignorance .

They don't know the "why" behind this feelings and what they brought to their relationship. Hence for Nandini it's always been tears and pain. And for him, it's all about her Alvida.

These kids don't understand the depth of what they share hence their lack of trust.

As much as we know why they are essential for each other , they don't . This is why I want this track to make them realize their importance ans reflect why it's anything but toxic.

Manik needs to understand that it's not her care only but love for him that makes her worry and cry. He needs to realize why he needs her around too , why he listens to her all the time and also what he brings to her heart?
Nandini on the other hand needs to embrace that pain is part of love. That trust in a relationship is a continuous process and it can only be build by constant failures and successes. She has to understand that one cannot give up on love .Ever.

If Nandu today stays with him because he will destroy himself then that is toxic and unhealthy. It is putting condition on their unconditional . She will always suffer from saviour complex and be all guilty in their relationship while Manik will never realize what he is making her accept.
Nandu raised a very good point , Manik self-destructs , he doesn't value himself . How can she trust her heart with someone who doesn't care for himself? Doesn't he realize that him being careful for himself is what she wants. She doesn't want to be the conditions apply on his behaviour. It will be mollycoddling a baby Manik who refuses to grow up.

I support both of them , because they are young and they are discussing , feeling those emotions which are usually candy wrapped. I liked their equation today, the pathos of realizing that they are away and missing each other is what should be the first precursor to their realization of true love.
Edited by charminggenie - 10 years ago
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Well I do agree with you on some level but I also think that their love is frankly a lot of drama and chaos. It is like they can't even breathe and their love can be very suffocating. There have only been some moments where they've been stable for one another and for a relationship to succeed, love is not the only requirement. A lot of other things are needed which they both don't seem to be ready for!
Just a thought!
More than anything, I think the writers are just stretching the story 'cause they know once they get together there will be a lull.
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