'Tune Kehdiya Alvida..' // What I don't agree with. - Page 3

Originally posted by: charminggenie

Going to play the Devil's advocate here.

Trust for them means the same thing, explicit and one which comes with no questions. Right now even nandu trusts Manik and vice-versa. The problem is not that they don't trust each other enough or their abilities to handle things but Nandini's problem and to certain extent she is right, is with lack of trust in what they share. How can she when they both are struggling to understand it or name it. Like she said today, it's not about them individually but as us. Will their ideological differences push them further . For her she feels they are never able to remove the "Is" from their "us" equation. They fail to see or think of each other as a unit. They both are making decisions for both of them without thinking about another. This is their problem. Nandini feels they can never be able to work around it.She has been vocal about the absence of "we" and "us",all this while.

We'll have to disagree here.🤣 I find their trust rather very fragile. I also find Nandini's trust at a middle stage where it concerns Manik. Also, Manik asks for trust implicitly. He wants you to trust him and believe him even when his words are total opposite. And when you take him for facevalue he's heart because is that what trust is? Believing the words? believing whatever i say? what about what I don't? Don't you know me enough to catch my lies? and that's where the problem comes. Nandini doesn't know him enough, to trust him so so implicitly. Also, when she thought he was going to kill Harshad. Trust doesn't builds so easily, it takes a lot of time. And sometimes it's not trust that you need for the restart of a relationship. Of course you need trust, I mean, it's essential, but more than trust, and combined with trust, is hope and belief. They both are more alike than different. Nandini is just like Manik is. both two sides of a same coin but still with baser values, different from one another.

Both of them don't know what love is. They are teens , havn't experienced this surge of emotions and it is unfair to expect them to understand the depth of it.

If Manik has never thought that love could happen to him or understand what it feels to be in love or loving someone. Nandini have a very idealistic , fairy-tale notion of love. For her it's what her mother told her, that love is all light , happiness and burst of bliss. She believes that this love is everything.

Once Manik told Cabir that one cannot leave love incomplete ever , this is exactly what happened to Nandini. She was all willing to share her version of love with Manik and express it to him , but what happened , he walked away , left it incomplete. Shattering all that she believed in love.Her idea of love was broken. The one she has been holding close to her for years , since her mother left.

This hurt, this pain , she never knew that it is part of love too.So she too like Manik doesn't realize what love truly is. They cannot because this is all consuming, all evolving and keeps changing.

She just feels that something as pious, as beautiful as love can hurt this much. Hence she is like, is it even worth it? She cannot build the hopes of true love under the shadows of fear that all this can go down to dust in any second.

^^ Oh man <33 totally agree with whatever you said. That made me rethink too <33 I also understand but somewhere I wanted more than the pain. I wanted the understanding and the reflection of what went wrong to shine through. Like i'd been so badly waiting for her to tell him why not except the that they're not right for one another. I'd like to think that both of them, in a way, have come far far beyond that point. That her reasons should've been more vocal for Manik to have understood. She, instead, blamed herself for his condition and the toxicity of their relationship. TOTALLY understand it, but don't agree with it in a way.

Yes Manik needs her because he is rash, brash and needs her light to guide him through darkness. But Nandini doesn't know that right? For her he was better of, happy and SAFE with his fab5 before they collided with each other. They didn't cry or get hurt like this. She doesn't know the significance of her presence in his life because he hasn't told her what she means to him. All he expects from her is to be near him, shine him but never tells her why does he want it. Not his fault , because he is himself so unaware.

But whenever he is around her , every belief she had since her childhood is shattering. His presence, the hurt he gives keeps on contradicting with what her mother told her.What she believed in. Her struggle is as real as his ignorance .

You're so right. Like I said also, manik has hurt her way more than he's given her. He's no right to ask her for forgiveness just like that and have it too. There are lessons to be learnt. But isn't that how manik has always been? Woh toh hai hi aisa and he'll always be like that. I'm not going to say Manik was wrong when he gave up Nandini. He wasn't in his own way and neither is Nandu but where Nandu is more positive and where Nandini knows the power of love, of care, of forgiveness, Manik doesn't. he's unaware, he's still a little kid and all of this is too alien for him. My concern isn't exactly the legitimacy of her decision. it's will it prove to be what she wants it to be? will it prove to benefit manik at all? or nandini? never. Manik will shut himself in his cocoon of ego and anger and be the man he is (I LOVE MY MONSTER MANIK VERY STRONGLY BTW.😳 I'VE WAITED AGES AND IM SO EXCITEDD!!🤣🤣) and be all rash and insensible. Only she can make him want to be a better person because she's the one who breaks through his give and take faith and the one who inspires him and the only person he's willing to let closer. It's not a lot but for him it's a huge step. So, yes I totally understand Nandu but I still somewhere do not exactly agree with her decision. because being apart from Manik won't heal him, being with him would.

They don't know the "why" behind this feelings and what they brought to their relationship. Hence for Nandini it's always been tears and pain. And for him, it's all about her Alvida.

These kids don't understand the depth of what they share hence their lack of trust.

As much as we know why they are essential for each other , they don't . This is why I want this track to make them realize their importance ans reflect why it's anything but toxic.

Manik needs to understand that it's not her care only but love for him that makes her worry and cry. He needs to realize why he needs her around too , why he listens to her all the time and also what he brings to her heart?


And that what worries him. Without her to show him the side of love which is not ugly and worth all the chances in the world, will he see it? he hasn't, not for so so long, not when he was the one to let go of her for Dhruv. To make him believe in not just the existence but the beauty of something, maybe, maybe he needs her to show it to him.

Nandini on the other hand needs to embrace that pain is part of love. That trust in a relationship is a continuous process and it can only be build by constant failures and successes. She has to understand that one cannot give up on love .Ever.

If Nandu today stays with him because he will destroy himself then that is toxic and unhealthy. It is putting condition on their unconditional . She will always suffer from saviour complex and be all guilty in their relationship while Manik will never realize what he is making her accept.

Nandu raised a very good point , Manik self-destructs , he doesn't value himself . How can she trust her heart with someone who doesn't care for himself? Doesn't he realize that him being careful for himself is what she wants. She doesn't want to be the conditions apply on his behaviour. It will be mollycoddling a baby Manik who refuses to grow up.

I didn't want her to be there out of coercion, neither as his gf, neither to confess her love. I just wanted her not to break off things right that moment, when he wasn't exactly in the best of shape, when he needed her so badly, and when she knew how rash he recently had been. But do you think her being apart will teach him that? to take care of himself? that added isolation and hurt and pain, one on another? i think it's mostly trust. they've to trust enough in each other and what they share to give it another chance, or maybe hope. I did understand her, even if I somewhat didn't agree but you managed to clear so much of my frustration GENIEE <3

I support both of them , because they are young and they are discussing , feeling those emotions which are usually candy wrapped. I liked their equation today, the pathos of realizing that they are away and missing each other is what should be the first precursor to their realization.

^ I agree. Though I think Nandini already realizes. I'm a little doubtful about Manik's realization with them being this apart, but we've abhimanyu for that.🤣🤣🤣 and cabir and nandu, of course.🤣🤣🤣

Originally posted by: blah_blah13

Well I do agree with you on some level but I also think that their love is frankly a lot of drama and chaos. It is like they can't even breathe and their love can be very suffocating. There have only been some moments where they've been stable for one another and for a relationship to succeed, love is not the only requirement. A lot of other things are needed which they both don't seem to be ready for!
Just a thought!
More than anything, I think the writers are just stretching the story 'cause they know once they get together there will be a lull.

Originally posted by: MaybeSomeday...

We'll have to disagree here.🤣 I find their trust rather very fragile. I also find Nandini's trust at a middle stage where it concerns Manik. Also, Manik asks for trust implicitly. He wants you to trust him and believe him even when his words are total opposite. And when you take him for facevalue he's heart because is that what trust is? Believing the words? believing whatever i say? what about what I don't? Don't you know me enough to catch my lies? and that's where the problem comes. Nandini doesn't know him enough, to trust him so so implicitly. Also, when she thought he was going to kill Harshad. Trust doesn't builds so easily, it takes a lot of time. And sometimes it's not trust that you need for the restart of a relationship. Of course you need trust, I mean, it's essential, but more than trust, and combined with trust, is hope and belief. They both are more alike than different. Nandini is just like Manik is. both two sides of a same coin but still with baser values, different from one another.

But she will still trust him enough to drag her in her room whip his face or get his hand dressed up even though not mere hours before he humiliated her very being? It wasn't just her goodness , compassion but trust too. Yes it will be fragile at times too because lets face it there is nothing absolute. What Manik words as all or none , that isn't possible. Did he not learn it with Dhruv too? Like he thought his friend betrayed his trust in that goon matter but it was when he himself lied to Dhruv about being with Rishab and ditching their performance. Did they not reconcile because he thought some secrets are necessary and unless people are comfortable they shouldn't share.

His problem is he becomes unreasonable and why trust seems fragile from Nandini's side is because he Himself doesn't trust the other person.

Nandini took his words on the face-value, like all the promises , kiss he gave her because to her , he has proved by his actions to be someone who will never harm her. But then there he was turning all that into a lie- how can he demand , vouch for trust when the calls their everything a lie . Which human being won't falter? If it wasn't for that residual trust she won't have went after him for truth. She persisted and had him confess it.

Knowing each other is a continuous and two-way street. If Manik questioned her for not knowing that he lies to hide the truth , he also didn't realize that Nandini might have had this blind faith in him and what they shared or that she won't take well to his lies.

He also doesn't trust her enough na or else why will he think that Nandini happily will agree to be with Dhruv?

The problem with Manik is - he wants to define trust on his own terms . Which is wrong. Probably why he is still not understanding what he was doing by pushing Nandu towards Dhruv?

If Manik is the same guy who demands this all consuming trust than Nandini is the same girl who take things at the face value. She doesn't understand lies and for Manik lies are second nature.

^^ Oh man <33 totally agree with whatever you said. That made me rethink too <33 I also understand but somewhere I wanted more than the pain. I wanted the understanding and the reflection of what went wrong to shine through. Like i'd been so badly waiting for her to tell him why not except the that they're not right for one another. I'd like to think that both of them, in a way, have come far far beyond that point. That her reasons should've been more vocal for Manik to have understood. She, instead, blamed herself for his condition and the toxicity of their relationship. TOTALLY understand it, but don't agree with it in a way.

It is the pain though , metaphorically, she is hurting and it pains her to see him go through all this. Her last memories with him has been Manik refusing to tend to his hand till she forgives him. The ultimatum. She takes it as a personal failure .

They have moved though, the blinders about rosy relationships are gone .

She gave him 2 big reasons beyond pain- he doesn't value himself and she cannot handle the pain that comes with it. Also his world of lies have done nothing but given her tears. She is tired, it's toxic for her .

Manik won't understand because he is not listening- when she says it's about us - he thinks about them being together physically, not them emotionally as one unit.

She is not blaming only herself, she told him that yes she is being stupid, illogical but nothing can be more sillier than him walking out because of Dhruv.

She is equating it all and pointedly showing that they both are making it a give and take. He hurts her , so she will too by being this illogical, which is unhealthy. They won't solve till they have not fixed each other, which can only be possible by not being together.

Because when they are together, it's like they ignore the elephant in the room, he will take it as going back to their old thing and she is just not ready for it.

Their communication will be a fail till Manik doesn't realize that they can never be their old self.

You're so right. Like I said also, manik has hurt her way more than he's given her. He's no right to ask her for forgiveness just like that and have it too. There are lessons to be learnt. But isn't that how manik has always been? Woh toh hai hi aisa and he'll always be like that. I'm not going to say Manik was wrong when he gave up Nandini. He wasn't in his own way and neither is Nandu but where Nandu is more positive and where Nandini knows the power of love, of care, of forgiveness, Manik doesn't. he's unaware, he's still a little kid and all of this is too alien for him. My concern isn't exactly the legitimacy of her decision. it's will it prove to be what she wants it to be? will it prove to benefit manik at all? or nandini? never. Manik will shut himself in his cocoon of ego and anger and be the man he is (I LOVE MY MONSTER MANIK VERY STRONGLY BTW.😳 I'VE WAITED AGES AND IM SO EXCITEDD!!🤣🤣) and be all rash and insensible. Only she can make him want to be a better person because she's the one who breaks through his give and take faith and the one who inspires him and the only person he's willing to let closer. It's not a lot but for him it's a huge step. So, yes I totally understand Nandu but I still somewhere do not exactly agree with her decision. because being apart from Manik won't heal him, being with him would.

But what about Nandini's healing ? Being with him is giving her the pain , that hurt , the tears- she cannot handle it and she knows her tears give him pain too. Yes she understands care, love and forgiveness but here probably that very light , the power of faith that she had has been broken by him. She is missing that light herself . Her power to trust herself to heal him and make him happy is also gone.

She needs help too. She could love because her mother's notion made it so self-less but this hurt by Manik makes her want to build walls and got to her own cocoon too. She needs her space to mourn what she has lost .

We might not see it because Nandini doesn't express it but for a girl who bore so much and yet never broke down , she has been doing nothing but crying all these days. She is totally off-charts herself. He has penetrated her system too - if Manik let her be close to himself, she allowed him access to her heart, her vulnerabilities and to her faith .

Yes Manik will be more sane with her around, he might learn from her too. But what of Nandini, she will constantly be reminded of her own fears, her broken self when he walked away and the tears he gave her. She will be a shadow of herself , that light -Manik loves will slowly die down because Nandini will never be able to trust love.

To restore her faith in love and in them, she need this time apart.

I fear if Nandini has stuck by his side , right now , without getting her faith in love back, she won't have been the Nandini that Manik loves or needs.

They don't know the "why" behind this feelings and what they brought to their relationship. Hence for Nandini it's always been tears and pain. And for him, it's all about her Alvida.

These kids don't understand the depth of what they share hence their lack of trust.

As much as we know why they are essential for each other , they don't . This is why I want this track to make them realize their importance ans reflect why it's anything but toxic.

Manik needs to understand that it's not her care only but love for him that makes her worry and cry. He needs to realize why he needs her around too , why he listens to her all the time and also what he brings to her heart?


And that what worries him. Without her to show him the side of love which is not ugly and worth all the chances in the world, will he see it? he hasn't, not for so so long, not when he was the one to let go of her for Dhruv. To make him believe in not just the existence but the beauty of something, maybe, maybe he needs her to show it to him.

She has given up on love too na. He took it all away metaphorically with her fireflies. She gave him love and he shattered it. Now to make her believe in love again , is a tough job. While it is easy to explain love to an ignorant mind , it is far harder to rekindle the belief in that love to the one who has given up on it.

Nandini has taught him all, it was him who lost sight. Now if Manik needs to recover, all he has to do is close his eyes- see the face of a crying Nandini and how much she cares and stop doing whatever self-destruction he is causing.

She is in him as he is in her, just because they aren't together doesn't mean their influence on each other has dwindled. She has given him that love , she made it clear that everything connected to her , affects him. Them not being together won't change it.

I didn't want her to be there out of coercion, neither as his gf, neither to confess her love. I just wanted her not to break off things right that moment, when he wasn't exactly in the best of shape, when he needed her so badly, and when she knew how rash he recently had been. But do you think her being apart will teach him that? to take care of himself? that added isolation and hurt and pain, one on another? i think it's mostly trust. they've to trust enough in each other and what they share to give it another chance, or maybe hope. I did understand her, even if I somewhat didn't agree but you managed to clear so much of my frustration GENIEE <3

I think they need to find each other and what they want first. Then they need to reconsider what they both brought to another. Trust , hope and belief are abstract they are always there but to accept what they feel and understand it is very important. This has to be done individually .Manik needs to realize that putting himself on the line is not healthy for himself - which he won't know till Nandini is around. Because he will keep away from danger just because she says so - this she doesn't want to do because it;s unhealthy pain.

You know they both take each other on face value- Manik will listen to her Alvida but he won't understand that Nandini basically confessed that she cares too much for him and that she cannot stay away. She showed him care, love and that she wants to be with him. It's his stubbornness ans refusal to think it through that he takes it as an Alvida.

Originally posted by: MaybeSomeday...

Originally posted by: nneeiill

nice post as always rida 😛

but yes i disagree with some points ..am not good at writing but let me try 😆
Haha don't worry, i was quite in the mood for someone to correct me cos i was so irritated kal, lmao. cos of other things too.🤣🤣

why do we expect nandu to save manik always..to steer away from darkness etc...what about nandu..who is there for her???? in love both are equal...as many said..if today she had accepted him ..will it be out of love.. NO...it will be only out of fear...

he has always put forward what he wants from her...he wants her to shine for him..trust him...and be in her prayers...has he ever said what he will do ??? where does she stands in his priority list.??..just getting angry..jamming music is not enough...even she needs reassurance... before the dhruv episode..she went with a flow..so innocently unaware of the complications of love..it was just like fairy tale for her...and now look at her..can she get back to what she was??..her trust has been brutally shaken...and we still expect her to be anchoring him ??..i think its too much to expect from a gal who herself is not able to handle all these new feelings...manik has cabir..fab 5..around him ..yea he cant share though he has option to do atleast...but look at nandu..her condition is even worse..all alone..no friends nothing...and today she dint merely walked away..she showed how much he means to her..he is not a kid that she needs to spell it out ...when will he start looking into his own heart ..? even nandu needs him just like he needs her...putting all the burden of relationship on nandu is totally unfair.

Originally posted by: eveline

Well if you are looking for a debate...I cant help you coz all I can do is 👏👏!! Beautiful analysis...simply gorgeous!!

haha awww 😳

What I feel about Manek ..its difficult to put in words as I love complex charactes..so I m deviating on just another tangent but basically the same zone. The one thing I absolutely love about this guy is his strength, his steel core. And the way he protects and nurtures those he considers truly his. Usually such men are so bitter and harsh..he is that...but at the same time he is also a nourisher and nurturer. I find it mind boggling that he still has the capacity to love and love selflessly and endlessly. No..I am not denying that he is a dangerous man, a loose cannon. His volatility, his aggression, his single minded drive...all that makes him irresistible, makes him fatal too. But, still...he is unique. Just look around him and see all his friends emerging from broken homes, they all are pretty needy, quite incapable of looking beyond their limited views...but Manek is the only one that managed to retain some humanity. He basically carries this whole group on his strong shoulders, their burdens, their well being, their lives...its all his responsibility. And is amazing to see that a man who is so empty from the inside is still capable of giving so much out to others, filling up other's worlds. And yet he is a bully, a meanie...Manek is all shades of gray...Lets just say that Nyonika has taught him well...and what she didn't he taught himself...he can survive in this world and emerge a winner!!

Nandini...on the other hand..she is a sweetheart!! Simple and pure..simply white!! No traces of any other color here. She suffered big losses...but the love she was surrounded with healed her and gave her the power of healing too. She values relationships cause she has been cushioned by them all her life. For her life is as straight forward as she is. It's either white or black no grays understood here. She is indeed god's child, a blessing to all she manages to touch with her sweetness. And she touched him...she loves him with all her heart. Yet..some times I feel Manek's barren waste of life is way beyond her comprehension. She still does not understand the extent of damage life has done to Manek. She loves him, but has not yet understood Manek's desperate needs. Manek has always projected himself as a tough nut to crack, strong, independent, head strong and stubborn, always taking charge, always in control. And that's how Nandini too has perceived him. To know the real Manek, she needs to see him a different light, a different angle. And they have never had that much time or opportunity, fate has denied them that pleasure. Ironical, that Manek coming from his very different background understands Nandini so well...he reads her like a book, while Nandini a normal simple girl, is unable to fathom Manek's turbulent depths.

Nandini will always do what she thinks is right, the virtue of goodness her trademark...Manek on the other hand knows that there are no rights and wrongs in this world. Nandini I feel is just running scared. The stormy seas, the churning chaos Manek have shown her, have scarred and scared her. She just doesn't know how to handle this choking emotion she feels for this very volatile man. She is so afraid to be with him cause she has paid a heavy price. And till she realizes that now she has been marked by his love, there is no getting out...its either pain without him or pain with him..she will learn to cope...adapt to fight ...not against him but with him. She needs to know that there is no going back...love is always a one way street and with Manek its not even a street...its a door..once you enter you are locked for life...she cannot leave him now. She is truly shackled to her monster and try as she might she cannot be rescued...till she realizes this simple yet complex fact Manek's pain will know no relief

Originally posted by: lostmymusic.

I actually want to say something but Genie said everything so perfectly that now I really dunno what to say..

I can understand Nandini, and I can understand Manik. I know both of them are such noble idiots and the fact that they realize their noble idiocy really won't take them anywhere makes it all the more...interesting for me. He wants her, she knows that he wants her, and she wants him too, and he's perfectly aware of that. But reasons, reasons, reasons! Stupid logic and reasons which have been so deeply rooted in them all their lives...they can't be taken away easily.

I totally loved Nandini's explanation today, that they all they give each other is tears. Manik scoffed at that, calling the reason "stupid" and she immediately retorted "it's no more stupid that you leaving me for Dhruv.." There it was, both of them calling each other out on their bullshit. And both of them agreeing and accepting that this bullshit is what makes them, them. Manik doing anything for Dhruv has been so deeply rooted in our mind since the beginning that his sacrifice made all the sense. But so is Nandini's nature of wanting happiness for all. How can she stick around knowing that in the future this might bring in more pain for him? The mere thought of that has her crying nonstop..khunakhasta kuch hogaya tou? This whole situation is so them, partners. Equals. Together. Screw up karenge tou bhi ek level ka..


I understand them, too Partner. I guess it's not even about understanding. it's about the lack of communication btw them. Now, I do completely understand Manik and Nandini but on the other hand I also feel that they need that slow sloping of a relationship. Where she should've vented out, told him why they can't be together, why he's not good for her and she not for him, how he'd hurt her more, give him a reason to ponder really hard. But then that's the Manik she fell for anyway. I think it's more about the timing to me. but i can't complain, can I? Even Manik chose the day of musicana to break shit off btw them. Both of them are so alike. Both of them should've thought that that point was critical and Manik being Manik can be so frustrating and self destructive. Sometimes we just delay these things out of care. So I completely understand but I still wish ke it didn't go back to square one just that way. there should've been a little more of a confronation then just that little convo. But that's just an opinion totally apart from logic. I do understand her completely.

The thing is, this whole situation has come the point where they can't deal with in on their own. While before all they had was them and the world was a distant place for them, here the world has to, needs to interfere with them. They are just kids and this whole burden is too much for them to handle. Now she kissed him goodbye and he sang her Alivda and to them it seems like they are over and pushing it anymore would a test of patience for the other. They are a match which is gonna go against the odds, they just don't realize it yet. I am super glad they are back in SPACE, their domain, where it all started. Now no extra wala enemy drama and plans and shit like that...now it's gonna be them. Ab let's see what this gonna bring them. With old equations, new circumstances, and new players in the whole game of Fate..

^^ This. I don't think that they can actually deal it all alone but then they're also quite the strongheaded individuals. It'll be interesting to see how they deal with it. AAAH SO AM I. THANKGOD FOR THAT! Please less melodrama now lmao. let's have some light moments too XD
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