JA~~Mirrors for princes~~ - Page 6

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Abhay

This is a great post but the one above where you quoted my post too, is wonderful 👏👏

Jalal is not showing any growth as an emperor. But at least he is being shown as trying to be a hands-on father to Salim, if not the others.

I don't know why the princes, esp Salim, are so afraid of him because in the show, he is not such a strict father.

Jodha is not only showing no growth as a mother or an MUZ but is actually retrograding. 😕 She is being shown as a hapless, hand-wringing, twisting the pallu with her fingers kind of country woman. I strongly suspect this is only to showcase Ruq by contrast.

You have rightly pointed out that Jodha was much better off earlier. I still remember how she could stand up to Ruq and Jalal and fight for Tasneem and Moti. But the other day, when Ruq removed Rashid from his job, Jodha didn't say a word either to Ruq or Jalal. She only informed it as a matter of fact to Jalal when he asked her about it. But she never expressed any dismay over the poor man being fired for no fault of his. She seems to have totally lost her sense of justice. She seemed as if it was of no concern to her that Ruq had unfairly fired him. Or was she giving her tacit approval to Ruq's decision because she also felt that no one should insult Salim?

I also felt the same way about Ruqaiyya being the new navratna discovered by EK - a combination of all the navratnas. LOL I remarked about this on Susan's thread on the new promo / spoiler.

Why would Jodha remain crying while Ruq tries to be a Birbal by trying to make Jalal see the error of his ways in punishing Salim for an accident? Is the punishment valid? Yes, the boy could have been killed, even if accidentally. Though the punishment is too harsh for a young boy. Such a punishment can turn a child against his parents.

Yes, Salim is quite young and different from Akbar in his abilities. But let him learn the tricks of the trade. After all, Akbar has many enemies and can be killed any day. ;p

Daniyal is shown to be a glutton who cannot think of anything beyond laddoos. Murad and Haider are forever trying to be one-up on Salim. Btw, Daniyal is made to look older than Salim and Murad also. Qutub has nothing to do except stand and gawk.

Like I told you in the PM, this leap to the SA love story appears to be inspired by another upcoming show on the Salim Nur Jahan love story on another channel. Where perhaps Ruq is more powerful than Jodha. Hence EK seems to be pulling a similar stunt here to garner more TRPs. 😆

As far as butchering of characters goes, no character has been spared. They have been butchered and buried too. While some have gone missing. I think Ekta should add another line to her disclaimer -Caution : Injurious to mental health of viewers. 😆

Originally posted by: Charu.S

Very good points Abhay. I too am wondering as to why natakiya roopantar has not been put to proper use, with regards to Jodha's contributions as a parent, we all know that her talents definitely stretched beyond singing loris.

Until the month of July we were constantly shown the strengths in Jodha's personality, all of a sudden, she has been pushed to the background. Why is it she is not shown imparting some of her beliefs, learnings and hunars to Salim. Instead we have to see an innocent gullible boy being deceitfully fed opium by a queen, a mother-like figure.

Agreed, Jalal is trying to be a good father, and prepare the young Salim to become a brave and just shehenshah in the future. However, pushing a confused little boy with low morale, who is already anxious in his (abbu jaan's ) presence, may have the opposite effect. Salim is sensitive, laid-back and low in self confidence. Irrespective of the era, these minus points if addressed with positive learning methods and discipline will fetch favorable, beneficial results. Besides the well meaning parent, the young prince also has to deal with a show-off Murad and a mean Haider who never miss a chance to put him down. Children see the world through the eyes of their peers, and will always want to please and be accepted by them. Salim is a child, first, prince later.

His attempts to follow the 'seekh' imparted by Jalal and to prove that he is also a good arrow striker, ( both to himself and Murad/Haider ) has put him in deep trouble. I am hoping that the after effects of Jalal's punishment towards Salim will not have a lasting negative impact on their relationship. We never know how natakiya roopantar will take its course.

Charu.

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Lasya

Thanks! 😛

I understand the daku scene was to show Salim as being stronger and more capable than Jodha. 😆 Lasya, this is another clear case of stereotyping women, as I mentioned on my thread too. A woman is always physically weak and needs to be protected by her father, husband or sons.

When Jalal was going off to fight the dacoits, he told Salim to take care of his mother, no doubt, because that was his plan. But doesn't Jalal know that Jodha had once even saved him from dacoits by fighting them along with him? I wonder why Jalal did not tell Salim about that incident while teaching him all those values after the daku encounter.😲

It would have been great if both JJ had been shown to enact the drama together, as Abhay said. That way, the same scene could have been shown without making a mockery of Jodha.

I so wish to see Jodha showing her strong side to Salim and teaching him all her hunars, and not just singing.

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Well said, Charu!

Why were we shown Jodha's hunars in great depth if they were to be buried in this manner?

Agree with you that Salim needs to be handled sensitively. Here is where Jodha should step in to boost his morale and self-confidence. But this is not being shown, in the usual illogical manner.

Salim has a tough time with Murad and Haider, esp as his own circle is also meek and ineffectual in facing Murad and Haider.

The punishment being advertised is harsh for a small boy. And can turn him into a rebel. Remember Jodha too doesn't hesitate in punishing him when required. May be this kind of strict parenting by both parents has turned him into someone who has poor self- confidence.

Originally posted by: lasyap3

It depends on one's own perspective...and the ability to sort out the reasons behind this by thinking about one's own deeds...whether they were justified to get the punishment or not...😊

Originally posted by: prav2

Lasya

I mentioned this in your other post ja children but would like to quote it here as it in tune with what being discussed..No Doubt all parents wants the best for their children and in their way try to make it.

But there needs a fine line to be drawn where to stop and where to nurture further else we would completely create the reverse of what we envisioned and break instead of making it up.

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Lasya

I agree with Priya.

Salim is still young and cannot really comprehend the enormity of his deeds and their repercussions on other people. He cannot understand on his own whether he deserves the punishment. Adults have to explain to him the consequences of his actions.

He should be punished even if it was an accident. But the punishment should be commensurate with his age and teach him right from wrong. Just punishing him without making him understand what he did wrong and how that punishment will help him is going to be counter productive.