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Posted: 10 years ago
#31

Originally posted by: Charu.S


I totally echo your thoughts in the blatant showcasing of drug ingestion. I was fuming while watching that scene and could not believe my eyes at what I was seeing. It is obvious that the content of these stories are NOT pre-viewed leave alone censored prior to telecasting. The Censor Board that is strict about smoking, drinking, drugging scenes in films, allows an explicit drugging scene to be telecast on television that has a wider audience reach than films. The head honcho of Zee TV was recently shown standing for elections and winning it too. The leads of JA also campaigned for him. I would like to ask this gentleman if he is aware that a motherlike figure was shown drugging a little boy on a popular show telecast by his channel Zee TV. Now that he is in politics what are his contributions towards the betterment of subject matter in his shows going to be? Doesn't he have a social responsibility towards his viewers?


I totally understand and acknowledge the same...Showing such things is pathetic

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Posted: 10 years ago
#32

Originally posted by: MaddyO

Cleo, Charu, Rashmi & Sindhu - wonderful heartfelt posts. 👏

I just loved reading each and every post of yours. It is just shocking that they have no sensitivity even showing a child given afim!

Cleo, I really miss your posts on forum.

We have long back given up hopes of treatment of royals with decency, dignity and respect. Everybody including Ruk. Either do not show the characters pitch black or show justice meted out to them please. Is this too much to expect.

What is horrible is that in JA the vamps and villains always get away with murder in some cases literally! If they show Ruk drugging Salim with Afim but no punishment I don't understand what message they want to send out to kids? Would a child watching not feel that no matter how many bad things you do - there is never any punishment?!

It seems to they want to build Jalal as the great Akbar teaching his son how to be a Shehenshah. Good - but why show Jodha as not understanding any of this? Why not show Jodha also teaching Salim archery? Why they have to show one of them foolish in every track?

Would Jodha not understand how a future Shehenshah be raised as she is from a royal family from birth? Why would she oppose? Instead of teaching Salim she is shown doing rangolis?!!!

I am sorry but I think such scenes are lollipops just to get TRPs. There is not much substance left in Jodha Jalal characters

Telling and teaching Salim is good - my understanding is children would also be watching actions of parents rather closely. It is not what is SAID but what is EXAMPLE IS SET by parents thru ACTIONS. If parent is lying thru teeth and child is told he has to be truthful will the child really understand this?

Children would want to emulate parents and I guess they have to set an example not just mouth stuff.

What if Salim had asked Jalal - why have I never seen you and Ammijaan oppose Ruk when she punished someone wrongly? What reply can Jalal and Jodha both give? We know Salim will never dare to ask but when words are taught and parents are not shown standing upto what they teach a child it has not much meaning!

I totally understand your frustation

Well,I would just say one thing...In reality HK must NOT have done that...But CVs taking too much liberty to show such fooilsh things under the name of NR🥱
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Awesome writeup Lasya,Radhika,Rashmi,Sindhu,cleo ,Maddy Charu .Loved all your views .
and agree with you all as my mindset is a mixture of all this,
I'm happy that all the relentless effort of friends through social media paid and though again a distortion at least cleared salima is not the mother of murad and hope they leave it there I really don't want a flashback showing an mu between ja and stating that as the reason for daniyal and murad .That is so pathetic and demeaning everyone involved.
This shows they can change whatever they say or show so I sincerely wish they no further go into the drugging of an innocent kid .
@Lasya
I agree with you Training of Princes at early stages is vital as the whole welfare of the nation depends on their guidance and knowledge and the books you shared made me nostalgic .They are treasure troves of enormous information's. Which book can more effectively describe the sama,dhana ,bheda,dhanda principles more than arthasatra does?
A king deeds to be compassionate when needed and also should know to be tough and mettle justice with iron hands, We have vast no of kings who exemplified in all this .Like Radhika said I'm happy to see jalal trying to do this ,Unlike the promo they aired before showing jalal encouraging salim to be heartless I like this version of jalal who teaches how to be more compassionate yet to stand for justice even in doing so if he has to stand against his mentors he has to do it. I also liked his out of box ideas to create an interest for salim in archery and sword practice . Its always tough for children of legends to exemplify as whatever they do would always be measured in terms of what their father does and they have to tackle this enormous pressure too in process of setting an identity for themselves and here salim seems to need more encouragement.
But I also strongly agree with rashmi and maddy that for doing this there is no need of stereotyping jo. Why couldn't they bring a scene like salim dejected and jo coming to him and share with him a fb moment of her and sujamal ,her attempts ,sujamal's encouragement and she succeeding. It would be an interesting anecdote and salim who love his mother a lot also would get inspired. Then they can even show jo sitting alone thinking of sujamal and then jalal can come and they can share a fb of what happened to sujamal and sharif. I really want a closure to sharif track and his deeds are known to jo and ja.
We all wish to see a strong emperor and an equally intelligent and strong empress .Like rashmi said there is sivaji,there is Rajendra chola who was brought by his aunt to name a few .We have so many strong ladies whole played an important role in shaping up legends we are fortunate to have so y not show our jo strong Where is that jo who thought so much to Rahim and maansingh .who encouraged maansingh to do his duty. Now its shown the children are always afraid of jalal y should it be the case when we saw Rahim riding on jalal The only reason I could see is they have shifted from season 1 of ja to season 2 of mugal e azam .They want an Akbar who everyone would fear and reduced screen space of jo and made her only crying,doing bajaans and rangolis .But this is not what we signed for we wanted ja centric story line not jo or jalal or sa centric .If they can change storyline as and when needed I wish they change it back immediately to ja centric and stay true to their tagline. I'm still trying to understand where there comes a need for these leaps .I couldn't even think trps as in another one which continuously being in top 1 for 3 years there has never been a single mu between leads and female is shown so strong so suddenly y make our jo weak can they not be equal as they were .
Coming to ruq , I have lost all hope that her deeds would ever come to light .I remember her saying in Benazir track to jo "There is a reason I remain kaas begum as even jalal wouldn't dare talk against me " and how true her words were .We will never witness him standing against her ,But at least happy he instructed salim to do so and the way he handled her tactically .Small mercies. As they have no idea of exposing her I wish they atleast maintain her like this instead of showing horrific acts like drugs...
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Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Lasya,

🤗

I want to give you a big hug for writing what was on my mind in the morning. I saw yesterday's episode after quite a few days break and I really liked it. I was quite intrigued by how Jalal was finding ingenious ways to teach Salim the importance of learning to defend people at all times. I was quite upbeat till I came to the forum in the afternoon and all my enthusiasm died after reading all the negative press about Jalal in yesterday's episode.

I agree that Jalal could practise what he preaches to Salim. But I do believe that most parents don't let their weaknesses come in the way of teaching their kids the right things. Suppose a parent smokes or drinks. Would they encourage their child to do the same? Usually not. So telling Jalal to practise what he preaches is like saying every parent should first become perfect before they try to teach their kids anything.

After all, we are not all of us Gandhiji, who started drinking milk so that he could tell a young boy, whose mother had brought him to meet Gandhiji, the importance of drinking milk.

The past is an indelible blot on Jalal. But should the past be held against him at all times even when he is trying to teach his son something positive and useful?

Today, we harp on innovation in teaching and using out-of-the-box ideas to stimulate learning in young minds. And Jalal was quite innovative in planning an attack so that Salim's reactions in a crisis could be gauged. Salim appears a fearful child. Jalal wanted to impress on him the importance of learning sword fighting at least for self-defence and for defending the people who would be dependent on him as a king to protect them. And he did succeed in getting some action from Salim.

I did not find it odd that he asked Salim why he had not opposed Ruq's decision to remove Anar's father from his job. Now Salim may or may not oppose Ruq. But he would at least learn one thing - that being the wali-ahad, he is not so important that no one can stand up to him without fear of losing their job. What Jalal was stressing on was that a king's personal ego should not stand in the way of justice. That if someone made a mistake (as Salim believed Anar had done), it was the duty of a wali-ahad and a Shahenshah to forgive them (for forgivable mistakes, not punishable offences) and not pull rank on them, punish them unnecessarily, and spoil their lives/future through a thoughtless/impulsive gesture like Ruq had done.

Jalal may not have punished Ruq till date. But he is certainly aware of her character and her flaws. He wants Salim also to be aware of the possibility of adults, including parent figures, being capable of making mistakes. He wants to bring it home to Salim that respected figures in our lives could go wrong and we should not trust their decisions blindly but learn the confidence to be able to question them, when required.

Salim / Jahangir is well-known for his deep sense of justice. It is said anyone could ring a bell outside the palace anytime of the day or night seeking justice and Jahangir would instantly come to redress their grievance. Such a strong sense of justice must surely have been learnt from his parents from an early age.

Jalal knows that it is not an easy task to stand up to Ruq and question her. Salim raises this point. And in response to this, Jalal says that Salim can resort to a simple white lie if he is not up to facing his opponent to ensure justice is done. Yes, lying is not to be encouraged and parents certainly must not teach children to lie. But in real life, many parents do end up asking their kids to tell small white lies on their behalf. Or force them to lie by pressurising them unnecessarily. That is as good as teaching children to lie.

Values and other important aspects of ruling such as a sense of justice, equality and tolerance, being a good warrior, diplomacy (which is nothing but the fine art of lying with a straight face), understanding the people and their problems, not having an ego, and so on - these must all be taught from an early age at all times and in all possible ways.

If a father, a king, is trying to do that, it should be lauded. Because parenting even now is usually a mother's job and a king would have rather employed teachers for training princes rather than taking upon the added responsibility on their shoulders.

Jalal missed out on his parents' support and guidance while growing up and never really had a normal childhood. He is trying to make sure that at least he is there for Salim.

Jodha should have supported his talk about caring for the awaam, considering that it was she who had made Jalal aware of his duties towards his awaam in the first place. It was odd that she should have said that Salim was too young to learn about responsibilities. A prince is never too young to learn and take on responsibility because the king's life is never certain. The king could be killed by anyone at any time. Then what would the prince do?

By assigning subahs to Salim, Jalal was introducing him to the nuances of ruling a vast empire.

Through the jugalbandi of swords and ghungroos, Jalal was trying to gauge Salim's interest area and teach him the importance of focusing on one thing, keeping all other distractions at bay.

I have no complaints with Jalal teaching Salim a few facts of life, even if he himself never adhered to them. At least he is passing on the right values to his son, instead of pampering him silly and turning him into a wastrel.

I am surprised by the passive mother, Jodha. Apart from music, Jodha can teach him so much. From sword fighting, horse riding, archery to hindi/urdu to scriptures to features of both religions to lessons about the lives of great kings and warriors. But none of this is being shown.

When the dacoits attacked Jodha and Salim, Jodha would have been capable of handling them, considering she even fought the mirchi war in a pregnant condition. But she was shown to be so weak that she needed to be defended by her young son. Salim doesn't even seem to be aware of his mother's various hunars. What happened to the hunar ki khaan? What happened to the active teacher / learner who interacted with Rahim so well?

Rahim was very lucky to receive the best training from Jalal, Jodha and Salima. Even Salim isn't so lucky. And the other princes are totally off radar. This is weird. Because ALL princes were trained in everything required to rule well. Because the crown prince could die and pave the way for another prince to ascend the throne. Or even otherwise, all princes represented the country and were involved to a greater or lesser extent in ruling it. So all of them need to learn the same lessons. But Murad and Daniyal are not given any personal attention. It's as if Salim is sent to a prestigious private school while the other 2 princes attend a government school. And God knows, what kind of education Mehtab is getting.

Thanks Lasya, for making this thread and letting me speak out what was on my mind. 😊 Hope you don't mind the lengthy diatribe. 😛


Ufff...Phew.!! *Rubbing my forehead*

What shall I say to this UNSURPASSED post??!!⭐️

HATS OFF!! 👏

Seriously it was a 360 degree post for me😃

I am not finding any words...Hmnn I don't know what to say 😕...As I said previously you people have an ascendancy in experience regarding these things and hence you people can eloquently mention all the MIRRORS😉

@blue

This is a very common scenario in families...😊

@red

Yeah ! This was exactly I was musing about ...😊But I have to mention another side of the coin here...
The intention was not to show Jodha weak...but to show that Salim was ready to lift the sword..Did you get my point??So they have conveniently made the blunder

P.S: 🤗 *Hugs to you too for making such a striking post* You need not thank me😉Your post was not at all lengthy and I don't mind😆
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: lasyap3


Ufff...Phew.!! *Rubbing my forehead*

What shall I say to this UNSURPASSED post??!!⭐️

HATS OFF!! 👏

Seriously it was a 360 degree post for me😃

I am not finding any words...Hmnn I don't know what to say 😕...As I said previously you people have an ascendancy in experience regarding these things and hence you people can eloquently mention all the MIRRORS😉

@blue

This is a very common scenario in families...😊

@red

Yeah ! This was exactly I was musing about ...😊But I have to mention another side of the coin here...
The intention was not to show Jodha weak...but to show that Salim was ready to lift the sword..Did you get my point??So they have conveniently made the blunder

P.S: 🤗 *Hugs to you too for making such a striking post* You need not thank me😉Your post was not at all lengthy and I don't mind😆

Completely agree with Lasya here radhika . Loved you post so much .Its always a pleasure reading yours ,but this was special.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: prav2

Awesome writeup Lasya,Radhika,Rashmi,Sindhu,cleo ,Maddy Charu .Loved all your views .

and agree with you all as my mindset is a mixture of all this,
I'm happy that all the relentless effort of friends through social media paid and though again a distortion at least cleared salima is not the mother of murad and hope they leave it there I really don't want a flashback showing an mu between ja and stating that as the reason for daniyal and murad .That is so pathetic and demeaning everyone involved.
This shows they can change whatever they say or show so I sincerely wish they no further go into the drugging of an innocent kid .
@Lasya
I agree with you Training of Princes at early stages is vital as the whole welfare of the nation depends on their guidance and knowledge and the books you shared made me nostalgic .They are treasure troves of enormous information's. Which book can more effectively describe the sama,dhana ,bheda,dhanda principles more than arthasatra does?
A king deeds to be compassionate when needed and also should know to be tough and mettle justice with iron hands, We have vast no of kings who exemplified in all this .Like Radhika said I'm happy to see jalal trying to do this ,Unlike the promo they aired before showing jalal encouraging salim to be heartless I like this version of jalal who teaches how to be more compassionate yet to stand for justice even in doing so if he has to stand against his mentors he has to do it. I also liked his out of box ideas to create an interest for salim in archery and sword practice . Its always tough for children of legends to exemplify as whatever they do would always be measured in terms of what their father does and they have to tackle this enormous pressure too in process of setting an identity for themselves and here salim seems to need more encouragement.
But I also strongly agree with rashmi and maddy that for doing this there is no need of stereotyping jo. Why couldn't they bring a scene like salim dejected and jo coming to him and share with him a fb moment of her and sujamal ,her attempts ,sujamal's encouragement and she succeeding. It would be an interesting anecdote and salim who love his mother a lot also would get inspired. Then they can even show jo sitting alone thinking of sujamal and then jalal can come and they can share a fb of what happened to sujamal and sharif. I really want a closure to sharif track and his deeds are known to jo and ja.
We all wish to see a strong emperor and an equally intelligent and strong empress .Like rashmi said there is sivaji,there is Rajendra chola who was brought by his aunt to name a few .We have so many strong ladies whole played an important role in shaping up legends we are fortunate to have so y not show our jo strong Where is that jo who thought so much to Rahim and maansingh .who encouraged maansingh to do his duty. Now its shown the children are always afraid of jalal y should it be the case when we saw Rahim riding on jalal The only reason I could see is they have shifted from season 1 of ja to season 2 of mugal e azam .They want an Akbar who everyone would fear and reduced screen space of jo and made her only crying,doing bajaans and rangolis .But this is not what we signed for we wanted ja centric story line not jo or jalal or sa centric .If they can change storyline as and when needed I wish they change it back immediately to ja centric and stay true to their tagline. I'm still trying to understand where there comes a need for these leaps .I couldn't even think trps as in another one which continuously being in top 1 for 3 years there has never been a single mu between leads and female is shown so strong so suddenly y make our jo weak can they not be equal as they were .
Coming to ruq , I have lost all hope that her deeds would ever come to light .I remember her saying in Benazir track to jo "There is a reason I remain kaas begum as even jalal wouldn't dare talk against me " and how true her words were .We will never witness him standing against her ,But at least happy he instructed salim to do so and the way he handled her tactically .Small mercies. As they have no idea of exposing her I wish they atleast maintain her like this instead of showing horrific acts like drugs...



well written Priya..Good to see you here today. missing all ur wonderful posts. CVS have left nothing for us to analyze on.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: SindhuMenon


well written Priya..Good to see you here today. missing all ur wonderful posts. CVS have left nothing for us to analyze on.

True Sindhu ,Nothing more left to analyze for us.. But often come here for wonderful posts of all friends
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Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Lasya,

🤗

I want to give you a big hug for writing what was on my mind in the morning. I saw yesterday's episode after quite a few days break and I really liked it. I was quite intrigued by how Jalal was finding ingenious ways to teach Salim the importance of learning to defend people at all times. I was quite upbeat till I came to the forum in the afternoon and all my enthusiasm died after reading all the negative press about Jalal in yesterday's episode.

I agree that Jalal could practise what he preaches to Salim. But I do believe that most parents don't let their weaknesses come in the way of teaching their kids the right things. Suppose a parent smokes or drinks. Would they encourage their child to do the same? Usually not. So telling Jalal to practise what he preaches is like saying every parent should first become perfect before they try to teach their kids anything.

After all, we are not all of us Gandhiji, who started drinking milk so that he could tell a young boy, whose mother had brought him to meet Gandhiji, the importance of drinking milk.

The past is an indelible blot on Jalal. But should the past be held against him at all times even when he is trying to teach his son something positive and useful?

Today, we harp on innovation in teaching and using out-of-the-box ideas to stimulate learning in young minds. And Jalal was quite innovative in planning an attack so that Salim's reactions in a crisis could be gauged. Salim appears a fearful child. Jalal wanted to impress on him the importance of learning sword fighting at least for self-defence and for defending the people who would be dependent on him as a king to protect them. And he did succeed in getting some action from Salim.

I did not find it odd that he asked Salim why he had not opposed Ruq's decision to remove Anar's father from his job. Now Salim may or may not oppose Ruq. But he would at least learn one thing - that being the wali-ahad, he is not so important that no one can stand up to him without fear of losing their job. What Jalal was stressing on was that a king's personal ego should not stand in the way of justice. That if someone made a mistake (as Salim believed Anar had done), it was the duty of a wali-ahad and a Shahenshah to forgive them (for forgivable mistakes, not punishable offences) and not pull rank on them, punish them unnecessarily, and spoil their lives/future through a thoughtless/impulsive gesture like Ruq had done.

Jalal may not have punished Ruq till date. But he is certainly aware of her character and her flaws. He wants Salim also to be aware of the possibility of adults, including parent figures, being capable of making mistakes. He wants to bring it home to Salim that respected figures in our lives could go wrong and we should not trust their decisions blindly but learn the confidence to be able to question them, when required.

Salim / Jahangir is well-known for his deep sense of justice. It is said anyone could ring a bell outside the palace anytime of the day or night seeking justice and Jahangir would instantly come to redress their grievance. Such a strong sense of justice must surely have been learnt from his parents from an early age.

Jalal knows that it is not an easy task to stand up to Ruq and question her. Salim raises this point. And in response to this, Jalal says that Salim can resort to a simple white lie if he is not up to facing his opponent to ensure justice is done. Yes, lying is not to be encouraged and parents certainly must not teach children to lie. But in real life, many parents do end up asking their kids to tell small white lies on their behalf. Or force them to lie by pressurising them unnecessarily. That is as good as teaching children to lie.

Values and other important aspects of ruling such as a sense of justice, equality and tolerance, being a good warrior, diplomacy (which is nothing but the fine art of lying with a straight face), understanding the people and their problems, not having an ego, and so on - these must all be taught from an early age at all times and in all possible ways.

If a father, a king, is trying to do that, it should be lauded. Because parenting even now is usually a mother's job and a king would have rather employed teachers for training princes rather than taking upon the added responsibility on their shoulders.

Jalal missed out on his parents' support and guidance while growing up and never really had a normal childhood. He is trying to make sure that at least he is there for Salim.

Jodha should have supported his talk about caring for the awaam, considering that it was she who had made Jalal aware of his duties towards his awaam in the first place. It was odd that she should have said that Salim was too young to learn about responsibilities. A prince is never too young to learn and take on responsibility because the king's life is never certain. The king could be killed by anyone at any time. Then what would the prince do?

By assigning subahs to Salim, Jalal was introducing him to the nuances of ruling a vast empire.

Through the jugalbandi of swords and ghungroos, Jalal was trying to gauge Salim's interest area and teach him the importance of focusing on one thing, keeping all other distractions at bay.

I have no complaints with Jalal teaching Salim a few facts of life, even if he himself never adhered to them. At least he is passing on the right values to his son, instead of pampering him silly and turning him into a wastrel.

I am surprised by the passive mother, Jodha. Apart from music, Jodha can teach him so much. From sword fighting, horse riding, archery to hindi/urdu to scriptures to features of both religions to lessons about the lives of great kings and warriors. But none of this is being shown.

When the dacoits attacked Jodha and Salim, Jodha would have been capable of handling them, considering she even fought the mirchi war in a pregnant condition. But she was shown to be so weak that she needed to be defended by her young son. Salim doesn't even seem to be aware of his mother's various hunars. What happened to the hunar ki khaan? What happened to the active teacher / learner who interacted with Rahim so well?

Rahim was very lucky to receive the best training from Jalal, Jodha and Salima. Even Salim isn't so lucky. And the other princes are totally off radar. This is weird. Because ALL princes were trained in everything required to rule well. Because the crown prince could die and pave the way for another prince to ascend the throne. Or even otherwise, all princes represented the country and were involved to a greater or lesser extent in ruling it. So all of them need to learn the same lessons. But Murad and Daniyal are not given any personal attention. It's as if Salim is sent to a prestigious private school while the other 2 princes attend a government school. And God knows, what kind of education Mehtab is getting.

Thanks Lasya, for making this thread and letting me speak out what was on my mind. 😊 Hope you don't mind the lengthy diatribe. 😛




Lasya ,

Thanks for this thread and an alternate viewpoint . There are many awesome comments on this thread, whatever i have read till now, and all are equally good. I am quoting this one^^ and elaborating my views, this post made me see things in a different manner.

Especially with those lines that a parent may be able to teach something to his/her son/daughter which he/she may not have done in his/her lifetime.

In the show, this was in context of Jalal. 😉

But yes, this was a valid point. I have a friend, who is still 23(quite young), just married now and has a daughter, i have seen him making plans for his just born daughter , that he will teach him this and that. And, some times, i tease him, saying - "You want all this and look, you yourself could not do this in your time." 😆. But See, Parents always want their kids to excel .. 😊

Coming to show, the CV's have started showing Jalal applying innovative methods to teach Salim. His growth is portrayed nicely by the CV's. As an Emperor, as a father, he is showing his skills, though i don't think he has emerged as a good husband when we compare his role with that of an Emperor and a father.

But when it comes to Jodha, i wanted the CV's to show her growth also, along with Jalal. She was a business woman, commanded cavalries, had great hold in the Mughal Sultanate, known to issue charitable lands, had issues political farmans even, had her jaagir . But did we see even an iota of those facts.?. NO. The CV's seem to have reduced her role to singing Bhajans, and making Rangolis. They should have broken the norm, and come above the normally accepted trend of a "Medieval LadY" who could do nothing except some selected works which we all know.🥱 She had wished Hasan and Husain to be like their father when they grow up. Clearly shows that , US WAQT , she also had a vision regarding her sons. But right now, it seems nothing of the sort is happening. Leave a POWERFUL Empress, right now she looks like any other common lady. It seems she is MUZ just for name. In my opinion, She was much better, assertive before she got this title. Not once, CV's gave a good introduction like announcement in DEK, that - " Malika-e-Hind Mariam-Uz-Zamani Begum is arriving" ,< i mean the sort of announcement done for Emperor. Not once is she shown involved in some farman issuing activity. The list can go on and on.

Recently, they could have shown Jodha also being aware of Jalal's plan of becoming a Daaku and BOTH the parents could have been shown involved.?. Isn't it.?.

CV's have lost a wonderful opportunity. We all here expect so many things, but it seems that Jodha's role will not find the kind of elevation we are expecting. Though, Jalal's role is getting the required uplift slowly. :)

Also, i wanted to see good characterization of Daniyal. First and foremost, they are projecting him as neglected boy. Salim has Jodha, Murad has Salima, but Daniyal looks like unwanted kid. How are they projecting him.?. 😲 He was an awesome military strategist, was taught militia in Amer itself. Though, in this Natkiya Rupanter, he is shown totally opposite way that too in Agra.

What can be debated to an extent is the kind of method adopted by him. It can be correct and wrong also. Agreed that Jalal also became a ruler at 13, but Jalal was Jalal, and Salim is Salim and is NOT like Jalal. He is 9 right now. I would say that, he is a different person altogether. It appears to me that, Salim is very much scared from Jalal. He is not able to open up infront of him. I don't know why, but from reading the WU's it seems so.

Anyways, Salim was Bheegi Billi in front of his father ALWAYS. He did rebellion BUT never opened his mouth before Akbar in person. I don't want to write more on this here. Akbar was a strict father. Baaki sab samaj lo. 😆

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Posted: 10 years ago
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@abhay: the new spoiler is more obvious that how much jodha character has been made lethargy already. Jalal decides to punish Salim n Ruq wl come to recommend not to punish salim to Ja. N amid this whats position of real mother of salim? Wl she only fall her tears sitting the corner of curtain hearing her son's punishment? It seems cvs totally r stuck with wikipedia's info or controversial version of jahangirnama where in many places ruq's inteference b/w ja n sa r remarked.
to read wu i guess Daniyal is presented as like as next javeda in show.
Edited by ILTHBEB - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: ILTHBEB

@abhay: the new spoiler is more obvious that how much jodha character has been made lethargy already. Jalal decides to punish Salim n Ruq wl come to recommend not to punish salim to Ja. N amid this whats position of real mother of salim? Wl she only fall her tears sitting the corner of curtain hearing her son's punishment? It seems cvs totally r stuck with wikipedia's info or controversial version of jahangirnama where in many places ruq's inteference b/w ja n sa r remarked.
to read wu i guess Daniyal is presented as like as next javeda in show.



Nabiii,

I read the spoiler just now, and to me it seems that Ekta has decided to use all the Navratans of Akbar and instill their qualities in Ruqayya. 😆😕

The birth mother, the powerful Empress, the businesswoman is no where in sight.

The importance given by Salim to his mother is FAR FAR FAR better than what is given to Ruqayya and Salima. I have read them nicely. You know, we can not discuss the details here.

CV's are writing their own version now, as per Ekta nama..
All the Navratans have vanished and Ruqayya has taken over..


And yes, you are right, Daniyal is emerging as a big victim of this Natkiya Rupanter. Imagine, making son of Akbar a clown in this show, already the mother and place of his upbringing has been changed , and now the complete character is taken for a toss.

Edited by history_geek - 10 years ago

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