Mughal culture of giving a kid to another wife

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Posted: 11 years ago
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I do not understand this Mughal tradition of giving another wife's child to another favourite wife or to a mother etc

It will lead to bitter grudge once kids become big enough to understand what their father/grandfather did with them.

Take case of hindal mirza who was given to humayun's mother by babar although his own mom was alive. That was a big reason why hindal hated humayun apart from his love hamida being forced away from him to marry humayun.

Take the case of khurram aka shah jahan who was taken away from jodha and given to ruqaiah by Akbar. She brought him highly orthodox by nature without the multi culture way other Mughal emperors adopted usually.

Apart from that imagine the poor mothers from whom the baby is snatched her situation especially if she is like Jodha whose only child is taken away from her. I mean that mother will die young depressed and lifeless being away from her child. So two lives are destroyed mother from whom child is taken away and the child itself will grow up in different culture apart from his parents/mothers and once it knows truth it will be in catch 22 situation and feel guilty for staying away from his own birth mother.

But here I think even the husband is at fault. All wives/girls wish they become mothers once in life. If you have 300 wives like an Akbar how can a husband ensure all his wife's have a child not possible. Then a few favourites shall start pressurising that they want one child of another wife. We can forget the rights of maids/cocubbines who become mothers be it Daniyal or Murad's mom or one of Akbar's daughters mothers. Those poor women cannot fight with Akbar like a Jodha/Ruqaiah. The child will just be ordered to be handed over to some wife. And husband has so many wives your only sahara from lonliness and isolation is a child is it not? If you are unwell your child will take care not your husband who has many more wives and empire to take care off.
If a wife wants to be mother why snatch another wife's child just adopt so many orphans on the road. But no they want only their husband's blood child because they hope one day he will have chance to be emperor and they will get all attention and privileges as emperors mom. Is this not a selfish aim? From which angle is this love of child?
But again here another Mughal custom is wrong that of giving prominence to a mother who gives a son especially first son. Why the discrimination? Should not all wives be treated equal by an husband(or sons) with equal love and respect. Why treat one or few wives as khaas and others graded like some clerks to get money and privileges? etc
All sons build nice tombs and memorials to their own birth mothers or those mothers who brought them up. What about other mothers? Jehangir built tombs for Ruqaiah, Jodha and Salima. What about other 297 mothers? Where are their tombs? Where is their memory? Who remembered them or visited their graves now and then to remember them none? Is this insecurity not the real reason why Ruqaiah or any other wife is ready to fight and even kill babies?
Shah Jahan build tomb for Jodh Bai his own mother. What about his other 17 mothers? OK Nur Jahan built her own tomb, Jehangir built tombs for Man Bai in allahabad and Sahib Jamal at Lahore. But what about other mothers who lived long after father Jehangir died? No one built them memorials. No one even knows or remembers their names why? Are they not Jehangir's wives or Shah Jahan's mothers? When such discrimination takes place wives will get insecure and want to kill other wives babies or snatch them by emotional blackmailing or arm twisting their husbands.
The emperors be it Babar, Akbar etc may be great rulers and warriors but they failed to understand the grave impact of this tradition of giving one wife's child to another. They just yielded to the emotional blackmail by wives and destroyed so many mothers/children's life especially mother's.
Note: This discussion is just to highlight plight of mothers and kids in such situation and the impacts. This practice was prevalant in other royal households too and since this serial is about Mughals I highlighted their cases.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Agree...i dnt knw y dis kind of track is introduced. ...is dis historically correct if u knw it reply me in historical discussion thread otherwise mods will close this thread!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Agree with u completely.
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Originally posted by: indudolai

Agree...i dnt knw y dis kind of track is introduced. ...is dis historically correct if u knw it reply me in historical discussion thread otherwise mods will close this thread!

I have sent reply in msg to you

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: myviewprem

I have sent reply in msg to you


Please read my PM. If you get a chance read my post on this topic in Radhika's thread on MUZ. It is a memorable post for me, because I got a moderator's warning for it.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Donjas


Please read my PM. If you get a chance read my post on this topic in Radhika's thread on MUZ. It is a memorable post for me, because I got a moderator's warning for it.

can you pls send me the link
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Totally agree with you Prem ! This was sensibly an extremely delicate case , which was tragic and saddening for both child and biological mother which is shown here in such scanty and unrealistic way that's outraging me seriously and still I am restraining myself from ranting out sparing myself from reading all sorts of ridiculous arguments and defenses ! In fact , no reason can be taken in account when it comes about children , for hell sake those breach of promise , sake of honour or saving from dishonour her husband , we are talking about CHILDS here , CHILDS , those tiny and adorable little creature that has been growing from the size of foetus at the beginning of grossesse during the phase of nine long months in the womb of their mother , being part of their own being with the magical feeling of sensing a life inside them , for the arrival and birth of whom they anticipated longuorously with exaltation and rejoicement , for whom they endured tough steps of pregnancy (nauseas , pain in stomach , contractions , restricted from few aliments , and the worst one : the accouchement !) , all these overcame hurdles to finally offer as a gift to an another woman without any anger , pain or turmoil for the unique damn sake of PROMISE ?!!! I agree , for a shehenshah , it's primordial to keep his words but for the sake of given words , would he really bend to all sort of extravagant demands ? If a greedy one , comes to ask him for his head , for his throne , for his heart ( not a metaphorical one !) by stabbing himself in chest with a poniard , to jump from a bridge , to escalade the Everest all nake , without any necessary supports , oxygene or appropriate clothes for the climat , if a blind one comes to make him fulfill his promise by demanding him for the donation of his eyes so that he can regain his vision , would he ? Would he ? NO ! Then why is the category of child so different from this ? I also know that when a Shehenshah attest something , willingly or unwillingly all must incline to it , he can take back his words whenever he wants , pondering the measure of demands and circumstance , he is the master of his words , promises and decisions and none has the right to cry for injustice ! I am completely of your point of view Prem when you said : "THEY ONLY WANT SHEHENSHAH'S BLOOD'S CHILD , NOT A NORMAL CHILD SO THAT ONE DAY , IF THE SHEHENSHAH COMES TO EXTINGUISH , THEY GET THE OCCASION TO LEGITIMIZE THE SNATCHED CHILD AS THE HEIR !" , this is simply inhumain and atrocious , for the thirst to own the fortunes , powers and THE THRONE , a child is compromised for life ! What a futile and selfish greed ! And how insensible are those people who openly compromised in separating a child from it's root mother !
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Posted: 11 years ago
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iving importance to mother of heir is not Mughal culture ...
They give importance to whome they love or feel attached ...

But giving child to another wife to raise was indeed their culture that's why I can't get why so much problem showing in this track where Akbar gave rukayya shah jahan to raise and didn't interfere her ways

Every one knows hameeda bano was not humayu chief queen nor Mariam zamani or Mariam makani has any thing with power this is ekta famous NR

Also their chief queens were always Mughal and taimuris


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Actually I want to share some examples of giving babies to other wife's / DIL
From my own observation...

I mean to say it is indeed very heart breaking
And unjust but those were hard times for every one ...some time I think a lot
On tht time ... Emperors and kings didn't have time nor feel to think and care so much abt their harems / rani niwas... We as 21st century people think a lot but really do those men who were ruling vast kingdoms and expending their empire have much to take active part in harem politics ... Ido t think


Edited by smile.sara - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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jst a correction,
Jahangir aka salims mom is jodha bhai
jahangirs wife is mun bhai and she is bhagwan das daughter.
Jahangirs son is shehajaha his mom is mun bhai.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: LekhSha

jst a correction,

Jahangir aka salims mom is jodha bhai
jahangirs wife is mun bhai and she is bhagwan das daughter.
Jahangirs son is shehajaha his mom is mun bhai.


Just a correction

Jahangir mom was heer kunwar Mariam u zamani

Jahangir wife maan mati was mother of khusro not of khurram aka shah jahan

Shah jahan mother was jodhabai
I think rajkumari of bikaner jagat gosain... Aka as taaj bibi bilquise makani.

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