DOTW - Support Your Mentor - Bappi Lahiri - Page 8

Ok here's a message for all. The debate will carry on till tomorrow morning IST say around 8am. U all can carry it on till then. 😊

Good points by Jaadoo ji here. The For team is trying to create a correlation out of assumptions, instead of providing facts.

If only keeping quiet about Joyeeta got Himesh the most votes this time, why didn't Bappi da get the most votes this time, by keeping quiet about Koyal? Again, Himesh is leading. That's because he stood up and argued for Musarrat, just like he did for Aishwarya last time. That is what touches people - not silence.

Silence only helps in situations where there are 'against' votes - like in Bigg Boss, where the non-controversial figure is forgotten, and hence no one votes to eliminate him, and he wins. In this show, there are 'for' votes, and Bappi da needs to make himself be heard, if he wants to get Bramhastra to bring back his contestants. Himesh, by speaking out, has brought himself into the spotlight, and ensured people will think about him when voting for gharana.

Even in C2005 - Vinit got to the finals thanks to support from his mentor. ID did not strongly support his contestants like AS and HR did, so that's why Nihira was overshadowed by Himani and Vinit and the others, and got eliminated. It was only after ID stood up strongly for Debojit, that he got all those votes and won. He didn't win because of other mentors giving him low scores or humiliating him. He won because of ID's walkout. An example of how a mentor's support can help is Rajeev, who was clearly the worst singer in the Agnipariksha, but still reached top 9 or top 8, because AS strongly supported him, even when he had the song's scale wrong. To help your contestants, you have to be agressive in support - that much is very clear.

Originally posted by: Anu.Rad

Manish, we are now concentrating on just one aspect of Bappida and its requested not to deviate from the topic as we will also have a judge for judging this debate where it will confuse the judges on what topic they are speaking.. This is the main reason why we ask not others to participate in the debate and also not to give any hints from where they can continue.. You can just encourage them and applaud them..

WOW....So all we do is come here and do "👏"....Okay....All right, Please take my disappearance from this thread and all such debatable threads going forward as my tacit "👏".....I respectifully disagree with Anu's opinion but given the fact that she is part of the judge panel, I won't do anything to make her and judges' decision making process cumbersome.😊

1) Bappida's gharana is on no 2 position.This is without any controversies or drama. That speaks volumes abt the support public has entrusted in him.

2) Only one eliminated and wonderful performances by Sunil, Sumedha,Mauli won the hearts of viewers and of course Sikander & Harpreet getting green lights on first performances. Others will prove soon. So where is the need for him to argue?

3)Most of his Gharana contestants are hot favorites already which signifies his guidance and support for a winning performance.

In conclusion, we would like to reiterate that Bappida's silence during controversy will not have a negative impact on either Koyal or his other contestants in the long run.

We have given several examples of where Bappida has shown support for contestants who deserve it or at points where it will make a difference.

When the cream rises to the top in the Top 10-12, Bappida will speak. And then EVERYONE will listen.

There is a fine line between support and hype. Bappida is more experienced than either one of these mentors and he knows how to balance the two.

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This is my final post to this debate.

As a parting note, I would like to just say that I had fun being a part of the Golden Trio with Prenz and Spian. 🤗

I also enjoyed debating with Shady, Jaadogar and atria. You guys were great opponents! 👏

I will also conclude my argument by reiterating the allegations against Bappi da.

So far we have presented one solid piece of evidence of how Bappi da's silence has made his contestant, Koyal, look bad.

We have also shown the connection between speaking up for contestants and positive public voting, both in terms of benefits to individual contestants (such as C2005, when the strongly supported contestants reached very far or won) and also benefits to gharana as a whole (where Himesh, the most openly supportive mentor, is currently leading the charts, ahead of Bappida, even though Bappi da has the most popular contestant - Mauli).

The connections and arguments that the For team has provided in favor of Bappi da are not backed up by facts or solid evidence, and rest on weak assumptions. Further, the For team has tried to defend Bappi da by saying he will be more outspoken and supportive in the future. If we look at past evidence (Lil Champs) I doubt that will be the case, since he has a tendency to be quiet all through. In any case, the time to act is now - not later - because he has to win the gharana vote, so that he can help his gharana contestants come back. This is very important, because he's obviously going to lose more contestants as the show goes along.

Also, arguments about Bappi da's competence as a mentor, singer, MD, trainer, talent-spotter, etc (which the For team keeps bringing up) are irrelevant and should be disregarded.

I request the judge(s) to give the right decision, after weighing all the facts and evidence that we have presented.

Also, I would like to congratulate the For team (Tanaz, Prenz, spian) for putting up a great debate, and appreciate their participation. I also want to thank my fellow team members Jaadoogar and atria. I enjoyed working with you.

The against have nto been able to substantiate their claim of how Bappida's silence wld affect the contestants image in public eye or even Bappida's own. We from For team have put fwd our points and thereby said its Bappida may speak less but works more as a mentor training them.

I enjoyed the debate and thank my team members of Golden trio-T. and Prenz. 😳

Thanks to the against team members: Jaadoogar, atria and shadytown.It was great debating.

Ok, I guess I'm the last to post..and since all points have been re-iterated by Tanaz Di and spian, I'll just give a small summary..😳

1)Bappida's gharana is it at no. 2 postion, without creating hype.

2)Till now, there has never been an opportunity for him to speak up. The Koyal issue, as we have said before, had no requirement of him speaking up...it would worsened the situatuion if nothing else....

3)Bappida has been vocal in his support for a good singer, eg. Sarika, even thoughs she wasn't from his gharana..which mean, when need arises, Bappida WILL speak up..but not unnecessarily..

Those are my final points..and in conclusion..

Had great fun debating, 😃 Tanaz Di and spian have been a wonderful team!!🤗 Thank you against team, Jadoogar,shadytown and atria for being great opponents!! 😃 👏
Enjoyed myself thoroughly!!!! 😃

Thus, we conclude the debate here and will be back with the results soon and also with the next round of debate 😊 Thanks to you all for participating.. You all did a great job 👏 The judge is gonna have tough time now 😆