DOTW - Support Your Mentor - Bappi Lahiri - Page 5

Originally posted by: atria

Correct, Himesh did not support Yogi's song choice and pointed it out very clearly. If Bappida had not supported Koyel's song choice he should also have pointed it out. If he didn't do so, then it seems that he agreed with the song choice. Therefore, when the girl was facing flak from Ashaji for the song choice, shouldn't he have taken some of the responsibility on himself? [/quote]

What if he was not responsible? We do not know this and we do not know what happened during the editing of the show. The focus of the entire show was to garner TRPs by hyping the Himesh vs. Asha argument.

[quote=atria]

Again, the problem seems to be that they were critical to the other contestants. We have already agreed that this is not the way to endear the public. Moreover, this is not the topic of discussion. Where it came to their own contestants, I still feel they were not publicly very supportive of them. [/quote]

Yes, this is not the actual topic of discussion. But, you used the example of Jatin-Lalit and correlated them to Bappida. I was merely countering your example by saying that they WERE publicly supportive of their star contenders.

When Ujjaini performed "Haan maine chukar dekha hai" from Black, they gave full credit to her saying that she was a disciplined and fabulous singer. That is being openly supportive and "non-silent".

[quote=atria]About the fight with Khayyam-- what I remember is, that day, their own contestant Sanchali sang badly. The fight for the green card was between Himani and Twinkle and Twinkle got it, with the judges admitting it had been a narrow decision. Then Adesh started the fight and JL supported them very strongly. That is when Khayyam said 'why did you make me a judge'. The next day, when their own contestant Abhijeet got eliminated, they were again displeased with the decision, but the main fight started regarding someone else's gharana. Earlier also they had fought about Nanu and Debojeet, both from other gharanas. Again, too little attention to own gharana and too much attention to others.[/quote]

I was talking about the time Abhijeet Ghoshal was eliminated due to a poor performance after repeated chances. There JL openly argued with the judgement to SUPPORT their contestant because he was a star contender in their opinion. They went to the Mahaguru's table and were shown arguing heatedly with Khayyam who was highly irritated.

Had Mauli been in Koyal's place, I highly doubt that Bappida would have remained silent.

Going back to the debate - JL's constant support and hype for Abhijeet and the constant chances given to him made the public think he was an overhyped singer especially when others performed better. Their WORDS had an impact on his image especially when he did not deserve the hype.

[quote=atria]

Agreed public voting is a very strange, fluctuating thing. Joyeeta may or may not have got people's sympathy, but she didn't come back finally. Who knows what will happen to Koyel. But Bappida sure didn't improve matters any by his studied silence.

Joyeeta did not come back in the Bramhastra, yes. But, she did return through EMET, which was the point I was trying to make. Her image was not completely tarnished. She even survived a few rounds before being booted due to better competition. Yes, no one knows the future. So by that account we cannot say that Bappida's silence ruined Koyal's image.

As you mentioned, the public is fickleminded. Their memories are short and they will forget who Koyal is, the way many of them forgot about Joyeeta being called a kothewali.

In the end, Koyal will only be able to make her image with her singing.

ack! I lost my post. Anyway, am re-typing this one in a shorter version.

Originally posted by: atria

Who said Koyel is worth a walkout? That was an example to show that one need not put down other contestants in order to support ones own contestants, in reply to your point. It had nothing to do with Koyel, just as your example of Debojeet and Assam had nothing to do with her.

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If you observe the trend, mentors support only their star contenders. Ismail supported Debojit with a walkout because there was no other star contender left in his gharana.

In fact, Ismail's constant hype about Nihira's professional singing did not help her garner public votes. This example is to demonstrate that even if mentor shows support, it is not necessary that the public will vote for that particular contestant or it will actually help that contestant's image.

[quote=atria]Also, why blame only Bappida. Even Himesh has not supported many of his contestants. In fact, he put down Yogendra and Shreshta before they even sang their songs! That is worse than not saying anything.

We are not arguing if Himesh is a good mentor or not. We are arguing about Bappida. One can surely blame the other mentors for many things, but this is not the time or place.

No, we are not arguing about Himesh and neither are we dissing him.

What we ARE doing is comparing his behaviour and the behaviour of the other mentors to Bappida's so-called "non-supportive" behaviour.

Just as Himesh did not support Yogendra (non star) and Shreshta (non star), Bappida did not support Koyal (non star). My point was that remaining silent was better than blaming the girl (if she was at fault). Blaming her would make her public image worse!

Originally posted by: atria

Why are you assuming she sang the song without his knowledge or permission? Where did this come out?

Originally posted by: atria

but if he felt she wasn't good, wat wuld be d entire point of raising a hue and cry? his defending her choice of song wouldnt have changed Asha Tais decision, and it could have had the opposite effect on the viewers who mite think he was trying to promote Koyal,even though she didn't sing well enough..

Originally posted by: sareg

Jadoobhai ka armour missing hai kya, he is still sitting on the kinara 😉

Jaadoo bhai has become Bappi da 😉

Originally posted by: srk_lover

ChameliKaYaar....are u supposed to be apart of the debate? cheer for a team, but dont interfere or ask questions to any team 😳 😆 that way u wud be helping the "for" team... 😉

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My job is to appreciate good points...whether made by the "for" team or "against" team....You will see me applauding all good points...😛

Originally posted by: T.

It is stated that Bappida's silence and lack of support for the contestants of his gharana during the time of controversy negatively affects their image in the Public eye. I strongly disagree with this statement!

Firstly, whenever a contestant is critiqued, a mentor's silence does not imply lack of support. Bappida has always respected the opinions of others when he feels those opinions are correct. Bappida's silence is not an act of cowardice or an act of steering away from controversy. It is a demonstration of accepting constructive criticism – valid and well reasoned opinions which can help his contestants improve as singers. For instance, when Bappida's contestants did not get a direct entry into the next round due to their performances, he did not argue vehemently on their behalf. Instead he coached them personally, grooming their voices until they shone in the next round! As a result, so far only one contestant of his has been eliminated in SRGMP C-2007.

Moreover, the way a child looks up to a parent, a contestant looks up to his or her mentor. Bappida's contestants emulated their mentor and accepted criticisms from other mentors with grace, which demonstrates good sporting spirit. If there is any impact on their image at all, it is positive. Furthermore, some contestants do not need verbal "support"; they are smart and can create their own image.

For instance: Sikandar Ali from Pakistan displayed himself as a combination of good singing plus wit with an upbeat performance of "Inteha ho gayi" and a witty one-liner to Ismail Darbar's question of "Kaise ho?" Sikandar responded "Allah ki reham se maa ki dua se public ki demand se tip top!" Bappida said nothing and he did not need to. His contestants can shine on their own and with the help of Zee TV which shows regular clippings of their personal lives.

Secondly, if one studies Bappida's biography it is clear that he is an intelligent man who observes market trends and patterns. When he entered the field as a music director in the 1970s and tried composing regular Indian numbers, he got little success. However, he began to observe trends that were entering the market in the form of modern Western disco numbers in nightclubs. In the 1980s, he shot up the charts with many hits (albeit plagiarised) and earned the title of Disco King. He then went on a long sabbatical and burst back into the scene when music tastes changed once more with Taxi No 9211 in the 21^st century.

He is applying the same technique to SRGMP. "When you cannot say anything good, say nothing at all". Defending a contestant unfairly adds fuel to the fire and has a negative impact on the contestant's image in the short run. Remaining silent will result in the public eventually forgetting about that contestant and the contestant can re-emerge with a fresh start. In the long run, support or non-support from a mentor has no impact on an individual's image.

Although Bappida is allowing his contestants' voices to speak for themselves; he is not what one can simply call silent. He coaches them and he markets them with a diplomacy that is incorrectly termed as "non-support". For instance, when popular contestant Mauli Dave sang another item number in front of Asha Bhosle, he gently rebuked her saying that he did not want her singing only item songs. He then added that she would do well in slow, romantic songs and that he would give her songs to showcase her versatility. It was both criticism and compliment rolled in one!

Bappida does speak and he does support. One may feel that he is silent when compared to the more verbose Vishal-Shekhar, Himesh Reshammiya and Ismail Darbar. But, he uses his words wisely speaking only when necessary. After all, silence is golden. 😉

The remaining members of our Golden Trio - Prenz and Spian will be posting their points soon.

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