DOTW - Support Your Mentor - Bappi Lahiri - Page 6

Originally posted by: ChameliKaYaar

Good debate so far both parties....Excellent responses and rebuttals...
I want to point out the following (as a person sitting on the fence).

I think we have beaten the topic of Bhappi da being a silent spectator so far, enough (in my opinion).

That is just one aspect of the debate.
Why don't we discuss some other aspect of Bhappi Da?

What I am essentially saying is that Shadab mooted a point and the whole debate so far has centered around the "for" team rebutting against Shadab's charges with facts and "against" team corroborating Shadab's charges with facts and figures.

However, I feel, that the "for" team has so far not put forward any good points of Bhappi Da apart from trying to save him from being charged of being a fence-sitter.

So...FOR TEAM...I would like to see you divert the debate a little bit and put the "against" team on their back foot by pointing out the positive side of Bhappi Da..
Case In Point:
1. Bhappi Da has lost only 1 contestant so far...there has got to be a reason for that..
2. His contestants are some of the most appreciated and popular contestants...there has got to be a reason for that.
3. His contestant is the only one which brought the house down (read: brought all mentors to their feet)...There has to be a reason for that.

These are just examples of what could be Bhappi Da's strong points... 😛

Just my $0.02.. 😃 ...not trying in any way to put obstacles in the way of a healthy debate. 😃

if anything, i felt that the "for" team did a brilliant job, especially on the credibility issue. lose it and you lose valuable good-will with the audience that you could have used for a more deserving singer. pretty novel defense in my opinion. bonus points for defending such a hard charge.

as for the "against" team, would like to see something other than framing multiple charges, most of it stemming from just one contestant, that too one who most people would not care to defend. not exactly a very credible example if they really want to stick it to bappida

like good chess players, i think the "for" team needed to first defend against the initiating attack, which they've done very well. would eventually like to see them go on the counter-offensive if "against" team cant come up with other things.😊

pls. note: imo standing "for" something is usually a less exciting position than being "against". in that sense, i'd have expected "against" to really hit hard😉

Originally posted by: sareg

CKY and CB are starting their own debate 😆 😆

naheen re. Just encouraging the contestants 😆

Originally posted by: Jaadoogar

Forget about Bappida supporting his contestant, because if Bappida can not speak for himself then how can he speak for his contestants... I can not forget the way Abhijeet humiliated him in Little Champ....Can you justify Bappida's act?

Is Bappida competent for Mentor or judge of this show, He does not know what is the show exactly and he keeps repeating this show as Cricket ka world cup... I did not hear any mentor or host saying it Cricket ka world cup.. Offcourse host says it as Sangeet ka Pratham Vishvayudh... Is not Bappida harming SRGMP more than benifiting?

does this Bappida has no idea what SaReGaMaPa is about? he has done his job as a mentor which is to train his contestants well..he has done that...he may not raise his voice and defend one contestant because he felt that doing so would in no way help her, nor his gharana..why would he take the risk? and about giving points...if he doesn't like a song, he says work har..if he does, he says well done...except for Asha Tai, how many mentors gave constructive criticism? At least Bappida expresses his view quitely rather than shouting it out, or in a way which may hurt the contestants..

Originally posted by: Jaadoogar

and one note..Bappida stood up for Sarika, despite her not being a contestant from his gharana...which shows he will stand up when necessary..

Originally posted by: shadyhtown

Okay there's been a lot of discussion over the assumptions whether Bappi da knew about Koyal's song or not. It doesn't matter - in every scenario, Bappi da was wrong.

Scenario 1. Bappi da didn't know what song Koyal was going to sing. This reflects badly on him as a mentor. He is supposed to take interest in everything his shishya does, instead of leaving everything to her, especially in the opening round. Bad 👎🏼

Scenario 2. He knew what song Koyal was going to sing, and he approved it. And when the whole debate came up about who approved the songs and who knows about it, etc, he simply stayed in the background, not wanting to be burned. Very bad 👎🏼 👎🏼

Scenario 3. He knew what song Koyal was going to sing, but he rejected it, but Zee made her sing the song (or she chose to sing it herself) anyway. In this case, since he was party to the goings on, he should have said something to clarify the truth. With the musician and Koyal accusing each other, and Himesh getting worked up, it was necessary to intervene and clarify matters once and for all, so that people know what really happened. He instead chose the safe option and stayed out of it. Very very bad 👎🏼 👎🏼 👎🏼

Bottom line - Bappi da has a responsibility to know what is going on with his gharana contestants, and speak up and present his side. His job is more than simply repeating 'aur mehnat karo' and other variations of that. He cannot always choose the safe, controversy-free route because it suits him. He is not Rahul Roy and this show is not Bigg Boss.

"Do either of these scenarios affect Koyal's image in the long run?" is the big question which still remains unanswered by you.

"Can you say for a fact that Bappida's words of support were NOT edited?"

Originally posted by: Jaadoogar

Here is task for "For" team:
Can they quote 7-8 different statements which he did not repeated what other said in 4 weeks of show and 8 episodes and 32 performances....

What is the point of that? We have already laid forth our argument on why he chose to remain silent.

Forget about Bappida supporting his contestant, because if Bappida can not speak for himself then how can he speak for his contestants... I can not forget the way Abhijeet humiliated him in Little Champ....Can you justify Bappida's act?

An act of class perhaps which is required of someone more older and experienced near a younger and hot-headed singer?

In either case, you are diverging from the topic.

Is Bappida competent for Mentor or judge of this show, He does not know what is the show exactly and he keeps repeating this show as Cricket ka world cup... I did not hear any mentor or host saying it Cricket ka world cup.. Offcourse host says it as Sangeet ka Pratham Vishvayudh... Is not Bappida harming SRGMP more than benifiting?

I believe you are focusing on trivial aspects. As long as Bappida brings singers into his home, makes them correct their sur, taal and expressions, I believe, he is well aware of what this contest is about. 😃