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Posted: 12 years ago
sharadrocks

Arjun should never have gotten engaged to Ovi knowing he was in love with Purvi...completely agree there..
Thank you 😃

And yet, knowing fully well that Arjun was madly in love with Purvi, Ovi proposed the deal...she went ahead and married Arjun knowing fully well that he did not love her...
There is no Proof that Arjun did not love her...It is assumed by many that he only loved Purvi and was his first love..Its subjective and debatable..

If Ovi had been trapped into this marriage without knowing any of these facts, I would fully agree with you that Ovi is not to be blamed at all..
Yes Initially Ovi was trapped on the day of the ring ceremony by arjun not coming clean that he loved Purvi...So that is betrayal to begin with to both the sisters...Ovi and To Purvi..He gets off scottfree under the claim of "He had right to fall in love" ofcourse he does but not the way he did it..He still is doing the same...

But if literally forcing a man who is love with another woman to marry you is not inviting trouble, then I don't know what is!
If forcing a man who is in love with another woman to marry is inviting trouble than dunno what to say if forcing the man you love and are abt to be married, to marry someone who everyone claims he did not love isn't that inviting a bigger trouble???
BTW No one put a gun on Arjun-Purvi's heads...Ovi didn't say Arjun must marry her in her deal to Purvi..It was Purvi who made that possible..
I am replying to you this one time as you addressed me 😃...I am not here to convince anyone of my opinion...I am merely writing facts as in the order how things happened..
Blame it on Arjun for two timing, blame it on Purvi was doing all her own deeds and blame Ovi for loving Arjun, Onir for trusting as a BIL and a doctor...All betrayed her..
Thanks for the interaction...
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: Dabulls23

<font color="#660099">Not sure how the grave was dug by Ovi when it was Arjun the one who dug the grave hole </font>

<font color="#660099">By having an engagement with Ovi</font>

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<font color="#660099">than falling in love with Purvi while being engaged to Ovi</font>


<font color="#660099">Not telling either girls abt the other </font>


<font color="#660099">Most importantly these 2 were step sisters</font>


<font color="#660099">both families had great personal and business relationship.</font>


<font color="#660099">So Ovi is not the one who dug the grave</font>


<font color="#660099">If it is any one is Arjun started it and Purvi finished it</font>


<font color="#660099">Ovi just made the deal..Rest was done by the Amar Premis of the century...But yes lets blame Ovi for it all...NP</font>


<font color="#660099">My POV ofcourse..</font>


<em><font color="#660099">We all can claim who loved whom but again it is all subjective..😃</font>



Varsha, if Arjun can be blamed for digging the grave aka falling in love with Purvi and not honoring his "commitment" to Ovi, it can be argued Purvi merely helped him stop digging that grave in making him go back to his "business and family" commitment, Ovi.

On the other hand, Arjun started the digging, Ovi instead of walking away head held high and dignity intact, helped him dig the grave further by insisting that she wanted him despite everything. In real life, people do fall in love sometimes even when business and family dictates they marry someone more "suitable", if the girl in question insists on marrying him knowing he loves another, she is inviting heartache upon herself. My POV. Purvi is the wronged one here, she sacrificed for her Aai and Ovi and got nothing in return except ignominy.
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: soapwatcher1



Varsha, if Arjun can be blamed for digging the grave aka falling in love with Purvi and not honoring his "commitment" to Ovi, it can be argued Purvi merely helped him stop digging that grave in making him go back to his "business and family" commitment, Ovi.

On the other hand, Arjun started the digging, Ovi instead of walking away head held high and dignity intact, helped him dig the grave further by insisting that she wanted him despite everything. In real life, people do fall in love sometimes even when business and family dictates they marry someone more "suitable", if the girl in question insists on marrying him knowing he loves another, she is inviting heartache upon herself. My POV. Purvi is the wronged one here, she sacrificed for her Aai and Ovi and got nothing in return except ignominy.


Absolutely. There is enough blame to go around. The issue I have is with trying to make Ovi a victim. She was not a victim except by her own actions. Any girl with an oz of self respect would not have gone after Arjun after he declared that he loved Purvi. Now, lot is made of the second declaration and the second chance but things would never have come to that.

And the so called loving dad and grandma did nothing to help her.

And before I get tarred with the ARVI supporter tag, let me say I think too much has passes for that reunion to mean anything. Do not care at all.

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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: soapwatcher1


Varsha, if Arjun can be blamed for digging the grave aka falling in love with Purvi and not honoring his "commitment" to Ovi, it can be argued Purvi merely helped him stop digging that grave in making him go back to his "business and family" commitment, Ovi.

On the other hand, Arjun started the digging, Ovi instead of walking away head held high and dignity intact, helped him dig the grave further by insisting that she wanted him despite everything. In real life, people do fall in love sometimes even when business and family dictates they marry someone more "suitable", if the girl in question insists on marrying him knowing he loves another, she is inviting heartache upon herself. My POV. Purvi is the wronged one here, she sacrificed for her Aai and Ovi and got nothing in return except ignominy.

Jhanvi you know I do not prefer quoting or debating but I am going to answer one time as I have to go for a prayer service soon..
Purvi stopped Arjun from digging the grave how after having an affair with him?
You and I have different opinions on Purvi and Ovi respectively...I respect that...NP
Comittment is comittent verbal, written or otherwise..If one wants to get out of it than do it before hooking up with someone else..
2 sisters bio, twins, half or step loving one man is NO NO...Mother and Grand mom should have never encouraged this behavior..Purvi once found out Arjun was engaed she tried staying away until these 2 elder and supposed to be wise women encouraged it instead of discouraging it..
I still am not sure Arjun loved Purvi and not Ovi...I still am not sure abt the feeling he felt for Purvi VS Ovi..whether he loved either, both or one and not the other..I know for sure Purvi never loved Arjun...I am 100% sure Ovi loved Arjun although he was unworthy of her love IMHO..
WIth that I would like to wish you & mom "Happy mother's day" 😃
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Posted: 12 years ago
Er ...where does the question of are maids not human beings comes in ? Why make it a humanatarian issue by not comprehending the post correctly just as a regional issue was made by misunderstanding the word 'billowing' ? All i am trying to say is

Middle class women do not copy their servants or are hasty to copy fashion trends of the elite especially if they r shown in serials as responsible , hard working middle class girls ...and I believe Purvi and Gauri r such characters ? I know that middle class girls too copy fashions but i am speaking strictly of the character shown ? Purvi and Gauri r shown as career minded hard working middle class girls who have no time to sit with fashion mags or observe fashions...while Purvi rushed in buses and worked at ofice , Gauri works in a hospital ? Hence i find the fashion odd but i get the CVs motive ...sari to depict indianness , backless to infuse subtle sexuality and garner TRPS ? My understanding .

SW it really does not matter what u and i think of sanskaars ...how universal our comprehension is ...the CVs comprehension is typical . Girls brought up in India inherit indian sanskaars and those in the west , western sanskaars . The west , acc to Indian CVs , is BAD . Western girls drink , wear short clothes and are shameless and sanskaarheen . Indian girls r pativratas who never drink , flirt etc . Even their unwed pregnancies r tyaags . In this serial The Archana raised Purvi who has an indian upbringing is 'good' . The Manav raised Ovi who drinks and wears western clothes and had the Canadian upbringing is the not so perfect character . So i said ...she does not have Purvi's sanskaars as shown by CVs in the serial . If Ovi wears backless blouses it won't be questionable but if Purvi does eyebows will be hence be raised . Again my POV and my understanding of the show . One can debate till the cows come home about the women's rights to wear whatever they want , sexist discrimination , how such dresses r least titillating and the fault lies in the eyes of the beholder etc but generally speaking this would be the reaction . The serial shows chawl cat gossip . So why don't they show the comments the ladies make on THIS . Why not show , for instance a comment like 'Dekh na kitni peeth dikhakar matak matak ke bhaji khareedne ja rahi hai .' Show on Ovi's dresses too , no problem . But show na . But no , purpose of CVs is different .

Disclaimer : I don't regard the west as shameless and bad AT ALL since i am settled in the west . I also love BANGLA CULTURE as i grew up with them . I went recently on Kobiguru Rabindranath Tagore's thread to celebrate his birthday as i love love and love Bengali literature . So nether do i regard western way of dressing nor bengalis beneath me ...i would not dream of it .
Edited by koolsadhu1000 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
Dear Varsha, agree in real life it would be a horrible, horrible situation, two sisters in love with the same guy. Any sane parent would have kept both girls away, mother, father and both grand mothers behaved irresponsibly, the girls themselves were young and foolish if that can be their excuse. As for Arjun, don't know what he was thinking or is thinking. I am with Strega, an ARVI reunion at this point is moot. If the two idiot couples can be shown to have some semblance of sense and responsibility, bolstered by proper family support, it would be laudable. This is not going to happen, we all know :(

Thank you for the wishes :)) happy Mother's Day to you too, hope you have a special day! Have fun at the prayer meeting, we are off to a concert this evening.
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: soapwatcher1

Dear Varsha, agree in real life it would be a horrible, horrible situation, two girls in love with the same guy. Any sane parent would have kept both girls away, mother, father and both grand mothers behaved irresponsibly, the girls themselves were young and foolish if that can be their excuse. As for Arjun, don't know what he was thinking or is thinking. I am with Strega, an ARVI reunion at this point is moot. If the two idiot couples can be shown to have some semblance of sense and responsibility, bolstered by proper family support, it would be laudable. This is my going to happen, we all know :(

Thank you for the wishes :)) happy Mother's Day to you too, hope you have a special, special day! Have fun at the prayer meeting, we are off to a concert this evening.

Thanks and Ameen to Reunion is a moot subject for me too..Immaturity by teenagers and stupidity by the 2 elder 50 & 70+ yrs old ladies & cewl dude DK 😆
enjoy the concert...Is it Niteen mukesh or some western band...NEways have fun..😃
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Posted: 12 years ago
I will present my viewpoint on the correlation between upbringing/ values to dressing
Firstly , when we look at someone the very first thing we see or notice about them is their appearance (clothing , accessories etc)
If a person is dressed oddly according to the surroundings all heads will turn that way
If someone has the proper values / upbringing they should know how to carry themselves in a society
Of course , your body is yours , but then we live in a society where we should abide by rules that are set out and rules that are not set out but are still followed
I have had the proper upbringing to be able to judge when I should be wearing what
My parents always taught me to dress gracefully in public within the boundaries of decency
A lady is not who shows skin rather who is elegant
Modern does not mean you should be wearing revealing clothes with 1000s of other people of different classs in train stations
Rather does modern mean you should be wearing a Burkha
You should be wearing clothing that is for for your surroundings
I don't know if India is as progressive as you are making it out to be
Even if it is , I don't see why there would be so nbay controversies about the song Radha and the way Alia dressed I mean that's culture too , isn't it ?
I am not a religious or possessive person at all rather very lenient
All I am saying is if I wear a bikini to a beach in Florida it wi be normal
But I don't think wearing a bikini is appropriate just because it is the norm
In the same way , I think in any place where public interaction is expected and where people can see you twice you should always be in your best (behaviour and clothing wise)
Now don't start going on about my upbringing , because say whatever you want to me but don't bring out my parents in this
I don't want to hear anything about my parend
I am a young lady today and its all because of what I have been taught by them
And I am very proud of my upbringing and my values
You will never see me being hypocrite and supporting what goes against my morals
I have involved myself in this debate because somewhere over here people called me cheap , disgusting etc
So when you pointed a finger at me and my thoughts , you have also pointed a finger at my parents and that is very hurtful.
I hope you keep in mind my viewpoint before attacking me and twisting my words !
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: Dabulls23

sharadrocks


Arjun should never have gotten engaged to Ovi knowing he was in love with Purvi...completely agree there..
Thank you 😃

And yet, knowing fully well that Arjun was madly in love with Purvi, Ovi proposed the deal...she went ahead and married Arjun knowing fully well that he did not love her...
There is no Proof that Arjun did not love her...It is assumed by many that he only loved Purvi and was his first love..Its subjective and debatable..

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I think we are splitting hairs here...it is obvious to one and all that Arjun was in love with Purvi...when I say all, I include Ovi...I don't think anybody can deny that Arjun is fond of Ov,i,...they were childhood friends after all...but it was pretty obvious that he was not in love with her...I do not think this is an assumption nor is it debatable...if is stated quite clearly in the show...however, if you choose to read it otherwise, of course you can...after all, fiction does involve inferences...!

If Ovi had been trapped into this marriage without knowing any of these facts, I would fully agree with you that Ovi is not to be blamed at all..
Yes Initially Ovi was trapped on the day of the ring ceremony by arjun not coming clean that he loved Purvi...So that is betrayal to begin with to both the sisters...Ovi and To Purvi..He gets off scottfree under the claim of "He had right to fall in love" ofcourse he does but not the way he did it..He still is doing the same...

I don't think this debate is about Arjun's guilt...I have already clearly stated that Arjun should never have gotten engaged to her...he should have told her tthe truth right then...

But if literally forcing a man who is love with another woman to marry you is not inviting trouble, then I don't know what is!
If forcing a man who is in love with another woman to marry is inviting trouble than dunno what to say if forcing the man you love and are abt to be married, to marry someone who everyone claims he did not love isn't that inviting a bigger trouble???

again, you are drawing comparisons between Purvi and Ovi...which is not the point at all...I never hailed Purvi for her actions...they were misguided and she was stupid to have done what she did,..but how does that absolve Ovi of her guilt?





BTW No one put a gun on Arjun-Purvi's heads...Ovi didn't say Arjun must marry her in her deal to Purvi..It was Purvi who made that possible..


Yes, Purvi did not have to make Arjun marry Ovi...but, by the same coin, Ovi did not have to marry him either...if all she wanted was to stop Arjun from marrying Purvi, she could have stopped with that...I did not see anybody holding a gun to Ovi's head either 😆
I am replying to you this one time as you addressed me 😃...I am not here to convince anyone of my opinion...I am merely writing facts as in the order how things happened..

I am not here to convince people either...but when one perceives views presented are somewhat lopsided, one does tend to respond...of course, you may consider my views skewed...maybe we are watching two different shows...😆.
Blame it on Arjun for two timing, blame it on Purvi was doing all her own deeds and blame Ovi for loving Arjun, Onir for trusting as a BIL and a doctor...All betrayed her..
It is very convenient to blame the world and his wife for all our troubles,,,but I think a person truly matures and evolves the day they recognize that their problems stem from within themselves,..and when they start taking responsibility for their actions...maybe all the other characters in this show are damned...let us hope at least Ovi evolves... 😊
Thanks for the interaction...





Edited by sharadrocks - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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I merely responded to what was stated in your post with regard to maids..I was not putting any construct on it...

Is Purvi or Gauri or any other middle class woman not allowed a subtle or even an outright expression of her sexuality? Does she become characterless or loose or lacking in the infamous sanskaars because of that? I don't understand this harping on middle-class morality! And if we are talking of the show, then Archana, who is the fount of all sanskaars, has been seen wearing transparent sarees and low cut blouses. So maybe, their sanskaars do not prohibit wearing sexy clothes. So, what is the big deal?


Btw, I think you need to check out Indian hospitals just to understand a bit about the degree of fashion consciousness that prevails there. Be they doctors or managers, I don't think women are above being conscious of what they wear. Of course there maybe noteworthy exceptions. And so far as a low cut blouse goes, I don't think you need to refer to Vogue for that!

Yes, general perceptions do exist on fashion and dress codes, Yet, aren't we trying hard to break the stereotypes?

I am not getting into a debate on one character vs the other. I was merely commenting on the connections drawn between morality and dress! Frankly, I give a damn for the characters on the show!


Edited by sharadrocks - 12 years ago

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