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Posted: 12 years ago
Hilly and sowmya girlsss!

I work doing research on alcoholism too , but the neuropsychology part of it!

Wow glad to have met 2 people in the same space too!

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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: pallavi25

http://www.nutraingredients.com/Research/Moderate-alcohol-intake-during-pregnancy-increases-risk-of-stillbirth


Danish research on the subject of alcohol and stillbirth. Ovi had several drinks per day in early stages of pregnancy which is dangerous for fetus and can cause stillbirth.



Like I said, that's a very simplistic view. If you know people who drink, you will see that some people get high on a drink or two and others can be sober after several drinks. South-east Asians in general can't even have one drink without experiencing nausea and a flushing reaction. The biochemical processes that take place are complex and cannot be explained in a simplistic way. That's why alcoholism is called a complex disease, because like cancer and most other diseases, there is no single explanation or factor causing it. Also, the numbers in this article are averages, and averages in general are misleading at best. For example, the two numbers in a sample set can be 1 and 100 but the average will be 50 which is not a good representation of either numbers. The other factors studied here have not been discussed, but those are very important. Smoking especially multiplies the effect of alcohol several times. Also, we don't know how much and how long Ovi had been drinking. It couldn't have been for too long and too much because then her parents would have known about it. Instead, they had no idea. So, it still doesn't lead to a conclusion that Ovi had been drinking enough to have FAS and if she had, that it lead to her baby dying.

Edit: Read the edited part of your post now. From the data you posted, stillbirths are a very small fraction of FAS related deaths. Spontaneous abortions or miscarriage seems to be the more common occurrence. That also adds to the conclusion that it was the accident that caused the stillbirth and not her drinking.

And anyways, Ovi's anger and sadness was not just at her baby dying. She didn't blame anyone for that. She didn't blame Onir that he mishandled her pregnancy or anything of that sort. She blamed them for hiding the truth of her baby dying and not letting her seeing the baby; and for switching her dead baby with her husband's and sister's love child.
Edited by sowmya_jairam - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: pari87

Hilly and sowmya girlsss!

I work doing research on alcoholism too , but the neuropsychology part of it!

Wow glad to have met 2 people in the same space too!

:)



Pari and Hilly, that's an interesting coincidence! I'm working on the genetic part of understanding the genes metabolizing alcohol. Lol! It's a small world after all 😊
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: Kalapi

Pallavi dear, I am at a loss, how is premarital sex lined to rape, domestic abuse, female foeticide etc. Do you mean that when ppl are open to premarital sex, these other social evil will lessen?

Or, being educated is equivalent to being so broad minded that one given away the value system or throw caution (and possibly a bright future) to the wind. The way I see premarital sex is that it is an action and like any actions it comes with possible consequences. So, a teenage girl getting pregnant out of wedlock isn't necessarily a thing to be glorified. Here, is this girl, who herself is, probably dependent on parents for support, neither ready physically nor emotional becomes saddled with the responsibility for another life. The question that is needed to be asked, aren't we throwing these girls to a life of challenges that she might not be even be ready of or even appreciate what she has in store. I find instead of trying to glorifying premarital pregnancy as that of being progressive, one must judge what it will entrails for a girl or if the risk are worthy of having premarital sex. A girl saddle with a baby, maybe doesn't get enough opportunity at education and consequently might end up herself in an abusive relationship...she, for her premarital sex, might end up being in a vicious cycle of which she may not even have the key to get out...why are we so ready to glorify such actions where possible outcome seems only spell doom???

Kalapi, this is the point I have been trying to make post after post, along with giving away the value system, premarital sex can lead to negative consequences that can affect all parties concerned. It is nothing to be glorified under the guise of being educated, broad-minded and blindly going all with changes.

I am wondering too how premarital sex is lined with rape, domestic abuse, female foeticide etc. Me too can't see how being open minded to premarital sex can lessen these crimes.
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Posted: 12 years ago
Being open-minded means to accept that mistakes can happen and women who get pregnant before marriage dont need people's high-pitched indignation and curses in addition to all the problems they are facing.
It doesnt mean supporting the act itself but being humane and sympathetic to an unwed mother.
Its not attitude to premarital sex (God, how everyone is obsessed with that one act😆) but the whole attitude towards an unwed mother or a fallen woman in society. That attitude links to abuse, rape and molestation. The attitude of keeping a woman in her place and punishing her for a mistake committed by both a man and a woman.
Like most sane people said after the horrible Delhi case, people have to change their attitudes towards women and girls. Just because shes wearing jeans and is out late at night with a guy doesnt give men permission to rape her!

Ovi did binge drinking in the first 3 months of her pregnancy which damaged the fetus to some extent, had the fetus been a healthy one, it would also have survived the accident like Pari.
I can confirm these facts with my doctor friends at the next party I meet them. 😊
I acknowledge it was a horrible thing to happen but Ovi was partly responsible and she herself admits to her mistakes in the vdo to Arjun, she also mentioned her drinking.






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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: pallavi25

Being open-minded means to accept that mistakes can happen and women who get pregnant before marriage dont need people's high-pitched indignation and curses in addition to all the problems they are facing.

It doesnt mean supporting the act itself but being humane and sympathetic to an unwed mother.
Its not attitude to premarital sex (God, how everyone is obsessed with that one act😆) but the whole attitude towards an unwed mother or a fallen woman in society. That attitude links to abuse, rape and molestation. The attitude of keeping a woman in her place and punishing her for a mistake committed by both a man and a woman.
Like most sane people said after the horrible Delhi case, people have to change their attitudes towards women and girls. Just because shes wearing jeans and is out late at night with a guy doesnt give men permission to rape her!

Ovi did binge drinking in the first 3 months of her pregnancy which damaged the fetus to some extent, had the fetus been a healthy one, it would also have survived the accident like Pari.
I can confirm these facts with my doctor friends at the next party I meet them. 😊
I acknowledge it was a horrible thing to happen but Ovi was partly responsible and she herself admits to her mistakes in the vdo to Arjun, she also mentioned her drinking.

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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: pallavi25


Yes, Bengali, originally from Kolkata.😃
Are you from Bengal too? Kolkata?

aha, my dear, But Kolkata or for that matter Bengal is considered progressive rather is very conservative in outlook. And trust me I know, for I come from the so called progressive part of the town, and went to one of the best schools in that City. Not to mention did undergrad to the number one co-ed college in town and then the university. But, I haven't come across any out of wedlock babies nor then or now, Btw, I am actually quite young, my mom just retired a couple of year back from being 30+ yrs working. Not sure if you can show any stats. to prove that unwed pregnancies has increased or is a common occurrence...

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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: pallavi25

Also after reading most of these posts, I am once again confirming that old adage" Women are women's worst enemies"

When a woman makes a mistake, all other women jump on her, berating her, cursing her, calling her horrible names, but the guy goes scot-free!
In fact women take pleasure in the fallen woman's insults and ignominy!

I am not sure Pallavi dear, why are you making such comments. These so call women you talk about here are taking of a fictional show and character. I hope you aren't thinking that the actress is talked about. For why should anyone do so? In fact, we should applaud this open conversation for it gives us the peek to what is still the reality. I have seen many members share their own experiences here, what they did when faced with abuse, or an extramarital affair. If we are the pretend and say these are acceptable, no big deal that will send out a wrong message to many younger impressionable minds who also read these posts. Ppl should in my opinion always paint a true picture of what they have seen and experiences, so that we share the truth to ppl who might not be aware off. Now, if you have seen acceptability and abundance of unwed pregnancies in India - well and good, if I haven't that fine too. Let just be frank with each other in such debate without pretense or be prejudice and influenced what could be an deal' condition/situation to appear cool or progressive. I am sure all members are old enough to draw their own conclusions- no need to become 'judgmental': as you yourself said before and such debate will really be much more constructive. After all, to me , this is the purpose of a forum - to have a frank and open discussion platform

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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: Kalapi

aha, my dear, But Kolkata or for that matter Bengal is considered progressive rather is very conservative in outlook. And trust me I know, for I come from the so called progressive part of the town, and went to one of the best schools in that City. Not to mention did undergrad to the number one co-ed college in town and then the university. But, I haven't come across any out of wedlock babies nor then or now, Btw, I am actually quite young, my mom just retired a couple of year back from being 30+ yrs working. Not sure if you can show any stats. to prove that unwed pregnancies has increased or is a common occurrence...


Oh yes, Dear, Bengal is much more progressive than many other states. For example, I felt totally safe travelling alone in a taxi on the streets of Kolkata even at 9 pm. But I would never dare to do that in Delhi. or Bihar...or MP etc. Women are still respected more in Kol than in other cities. People address us as Didi or Boudi and seldom misbehave.

You never heard of any out of wedlock baby in Kol, maybe u dont know the same set of people that I do...Kolkata is anything but conservative! 😆 Sometimes even I refuse to believe the things that go on in many upper middle class and upper class families! Lower classes are no better, everybody is sleeping around with everybody else. 😆 American TV soaps would be put to shame!
Also maybe u have led a sheltered life and dont know what goes on in other households. I am many years older than you and as they say "mainey duniya dekhi hai" so speaking abt real life cases here.
As for lower classes, that kind of behavior is rampant not only in Bengal but elsewhere in India too...we have lived in 4 states of India and our maid servants had stories that would turn our hair prematurely grey! 😆
Of course we grew up in conservative way, my mother was very strict, didnt even let us cut our hair but she never stopped us from wearing jeans or pants which was in fashion in our times too. We got married early, had kids and now kids are grown up...so have seen a lot of the world and its inmates. Kind of made me accept that anything can happen...
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: pari87


rayadallie, I would not mock a woman if she was not a hypocrite about it. That said and done, i wonder how many women here felt sympathy with Ovi when her sister and fiance decided to get married while she was committing suicide..ermm, I guess people called her psycho?

nobody sympathised with her when she lost her baby...in fact people wanted her baby to turn out to be romil's so that she would be equal to purvi in the pre-marital sex nonsense...

So yeah, when yard sticks are different for women on this forum itself, it is hogwash to talk about big things like changing mindsets in society...wish people learnt their own lessons here first!

A woman is a woman, if she makes a mistake, pays for it and then asks for forgiveness, everyone should look at her the same way right? So If ovi has paid for her mistake, lost a child, lft the husband so he is free to re-unite with whoever, people still call her psycho, want her dead, or whatever...no sympathy for her eh? But purvi bichari has got people singing lories of society and education and being broad minded...

Ahh well, women are a woman;s worst enemy as pallavi said, so true! :P

PAri, you are so true, when one says woman is woman's worst enemy, it isn't just the women doing the talking on the otherside is only to be blamed, 4 fingers does point back and the one blaming is only like the pot calling the kettle black...Good point👏👏
So, we are all on an equal platform - can't be judgmental if we are guilty of the same, great point once again 👏

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