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Posted: 12 years ago
#61

Originally posted by: Gina101

It has been a while since I've seen a sensible analysis of scenes in the show. I might not agree with one or two points, but the forum needs more people like you. Simply because of the way you observe things. It's sad that the episodes don't have much to discuss really.


Thank you so much for the kind words, really much appreciated. And yes, the episodes have become run of the mill, we can almost predict to a degree of certainty what is going to transpire.
I also noticed that all these soaps are geared towards male chauvinism, it is the female that always suffers. Vandu, Archana, Purvi, Ovi, Manju, Shravani, Vaishali, Savita even, the men usually get of scot free, Manav might have suffered the pangs of separation but other than that no ignominy at all, that all falls to the lot of the women in PR.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: archis_2013

Shyamala Aunty & Jhanvi, Sorry to butt in (you see, I had to butt in somewhere and it is much safer to do it in between you both. I don't have the guts to do it with any other fan group - be it arvi's or ovi's. Different ends of the spectrum !!).
I too agree and have said that it would not be possible for Ovi (or majority of us) to accept Pari in her life. But she should not ignore her till there is a possible solution for Pari. Be it Purvi or someone in Deshmukh family.. Ovi must still be breast feeding Pari till the party evening. Poor Pari is all I can say ..
I too would feel horrified on Purvi leaving Onir and start thinking of Arjun at this juncture. If she does not romance Onir, I would understand as her heart is not ready yet but she cannot be seen not fighting for him and see him out of jail safely.
I am sure Purvi would feel morally responsible for Onir till atleast he is safe (through the so called 'twists and turns'). If not, this will be the complete character assassination of Purvi. Looks like CVs are pulling at their last straws to keep the head above the water. But as they say " Thalaikku mela vellam ponnal, jaan enna, muzham enna". Atleast it will cure me of my 'pavitra' malice and goodbye to my first soap ever.


So true, it would be horrible if they make Purvi and Arjun fall in love all over again. Maybe arjun on the rebound and it will make his life easier if he had either Ovi or Purvi with him to take care of his nanhi Pari but it would be beyond despicable if Purvi forgets Onir and ends up romancing Arjun. They are old flames and maybe a thought here or there may be human but ignite old feelings when they are both married to others, would not be acceptable.

I agree with you too that after having nursed that baby and bonded with her for over 2 months, it would be cruel to abandon her, the baby thinks of Ovi as its mother, Ovi herself told Savita she feels good when the crying Pari stops crying as soon as she picks her up. Poor baby. Can understand Ovi's aversion to Arjun as this time the truth has hit her in the face and there is no way she can disallow what she knows to be real.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#63

Originally posted by: strega


Thank you for starting this thread, Janhvi. I have been reading all the wonderful and objective posts from all - such a nice change from the normal tone of the forum :)





Strega, you are welcome!
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Posted: 12 years ago
#64

Originally posted by: Dabulls23

Hi Janhavi

You know why your friend is OK with baby siting this boy? First she is out of this marriage so she is not a WIFI anymore...And she is not watching this child being married to the dude...But the operative word is she "Babysits"
She obviously have made peace with the affair her ex husband had by divorcing and dealing with it on an intellectual as well as emotional level..Not many can do it but she has and I say Kudos to her..Also she is not dealing with the boy 24/7/365 constant reminder..Makes a diff..Occasionally VS all the time 😃
Hope she is charging for babysitting this boy 😉 LOL she should charge even more than regular for it 😛
BTW fabulous posts everyone...Good reading 👏


Varsha, she is one of the kindest people I know. No, she does not charge for babysitting, she does it out of the goodness of her heart and the kid was with her everyday for a long while so it was a constant reminder. She is not a weak person either, she says she has no emotional attachment to the man anymore but that he is the father of her two kids and the little boy is her kids' half brother and it is not the fault of the kid that the father is a loser.

It was a traumatic break up as my friend did not work then and was left parenting two toddlers all on her own. He did not pay child support even for a long while and the 17 yr old's parents instead of chiding their daughter were all for it as they were getting a free ride. When the girl dumped him and kicked him out of the house, his own parents would not take him in and he came begging to my friend as he had no place to go, she put him up in her living room for a couple of months until he could find his own place. He has since married again (3rd time), his parents still consider my friend as their dil, she is still single, she says once bitten, twice shy.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#65

Originally posted by: naava


Jhanvi..i see the long discussions following your post are very involved and i don't have time to read though them today. I just wanted to compliment you on your excellent post and analysis. I really agree with the whole post.

Just a quick comment on 3 points.
1) Your analysis of Manav was so well said Really Jhanvi, it doesn't matter that it was Purvi - a daughter of Archana's and sort of step daughter, step sister etc. Any father OR mother who watches their daughter marry someone who has declared he doesn't love her and never will, because he loves someone else and everyone knows it to be true, MUST step in and annul that marriage. And if they DON'T, they must accept the responsibility of everything that happens from that point forward. It's only going to end up as a disaster, and if you really did love your daughter you wouldn't allow that to happen to her. A young woman who wants to marry someone who loves another person is emotionally unstable and needs help before entering into marriage. It's not so complicated.

2) This idea of rushing to judgement on everything, without ASKING the other person for their side of the story really irritates me. You can't just assume guilt without knowing both sides. Could'nt anyone stop to ask Purvi? or Arjun? But...in PR land...hhh it's different.

3) The penchant Ovi has for public display of her life is part of the problem.. But i guess that's Ekta's penchant too. 😆

It looks like a lot of the discussion has to do with the baby, but that's not your point as far as i can see. I think everyone is in agreement that the baby switch should not have happened, it was wrong, etc Ovi needed to grieve etc. All true. No one has an argument with that. But you can't get to point Z without considering and dealing with points A-Y. It just doesn't work that way

Anyway congratulations for a well thought out and well spoken post.


On the first point, agree, the parents and elders in this soap are sadly lacking in stature, They washed their hands off the whole thing and proceeded like a switch in brides was an everyday affair. Of course, at that point it was to the benefit of Manav, Archana, Ovi and the rest of the family, it was an opportunity for them to come together again and for Ovi to get her heart's desire. Manav cared not if it was by hook or by crook. Even if he did, he assuaged his guilt by bringing Purvihome and including her in his will, small price to pay for his happiness and his daughter's happiness. I did not like his behavior the day of the puja when Ovi accused Purvi (in the room later), he remained mum when Ovi wanted Purvi kicked to the curbside. Good man, he undoubtedly is, but sadly lacking in discipline where his Ovi is concerned.

On the second point, if everything was explained, there would be no misunderstandings, all would be hunky dory and Ekta mata would have to wrap up her show!

On the public display, yes, I found that completely distasteful as well. Ugly scenes always, dirty linen washed in public, the family has no sense of decorum.

And thank you for liking the post!
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Posted: 12 years ago
#66

Originally posted by: Ruchikaarvilove

Agreed yrr completely! What a description! 👏👏👏


Ruchika, thank you :)
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Posted: 12 years ago
#67

Originally posted by: rayadallie

Excellent post Jhanvi. You are very good with your analysis as always and have me hooked to them.

It makes no sense adding or subtracting from your topic and all the other discussions that are happening here. It has been a very long time since I have gone through a thread and read objective discussions by members . There is always some misunderstandings and emotions getting in the way.

Nevertheless. congrats to all of you for a well discussed topic. I enjoyed reading both sides of the story.👍🏼


I am glad you enjoyed reading everyone's posts, I think everyone made excellent points and succeeded in giving new facets to this show we all watch. Not sure if the CVs put as much thinking into it as we do.

Love reading your posts and your take on PR as well.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#68

Originally posted by: Ms.S.K.

very good points from all of you 👏. I also noticed at party, ovi was drunk but when it came to speaking she had cleared head and knew exactly what she had to say , and when it came to walking she was drunk as she could barely walk.


In all this, will Mittal's wrong doings re. organ stealing go unnoticed???


The CVs took liberties, I guess, and hoped we would not notice.

Mittal will pay, that will be another long drawn out affair.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

About Onir .


By refusing Punni's blackmail , Purvi made a choice . She would protect Aaji's house even if husband lost his career .

Then and there she decided to sacrifice Onir for Sulochana . Punni was not just talking on the basis of overhearing ...she had concrete proof . A proof that could damage him irrepairably that could shame him professionally .

And he had compromised his medical ethics for her word .

Yet she chose Sulochana 's house over him .

Today Mittal clearly told Sulochana that he would not give the CD to the police if she signed away her house to him .

Manav and Sulochana had come strutting self righteousy in offering Mittal property , money whatever for the CD .

But they looked shocked when Sulochana's house was demanded as if it was the Vatican Cathedral .

THAT was out of the question it seems . I was puzzled . Why , over a damad's career . Manav has plenty of money , if he chooses he can easily plant Sulochana in some flat . The matter , though highly embarassing and delicate was a family matter and both should have shown absolute distaste for police involvement . Especially since Manav was a reputed businessman and so was DK and Onir's arrest could cause scandalous publicity .

Besides , anger apart , the career of a hitherto good man was at stake .

But Sulochana refused to give up the house . Onir's career can be destroyed , not the sacred house .

And all this after Onir stood through thick and thin by Purvi , slept on the floor , did a medical crime for her sake , folded clothes , bed sheets and what not in Sulochana's house , slogged in Punni's wedding etc . Both ditched Onir after using him till it suited them is the bottom line .

I know this is far fetched but i want Onir realising this .



Kools, if Purvi had accepted Punni's deal she would have been hammered as well, just as she was for accepting Ovi's deal. Damned if she does and damned if she doesn't.

I take hope in that with the Arjun fiasco, Purvi kept him in the dark, this time around she not only said no to the blackmailing, deal proposing female but also informed Onir about the situation, albeit after the fact, though to her credit she did try to call him right away.

Also, it is good that the truth be dealt with now in all its ugly aspects rather than hang over their heads eternally. Onir should be punished for his part, he will be acquitted, Mittal needs to be brought to justice for his sickening trade and the latter can be done only if Onir and Purvi have a reason to go after Mittal which the imprisonment will provide.

As for Arjun being a male chauvinist, I think all these soaps are geared to make the women seem inferior and appear long-suffering and the men to misunderstand and act like lords. That said, I was trying like our Pari to analyze Arjun's psyche. I have been one of his harshest critics so I am trying to be as objective as possible. The guy is without a backbone, sure but why and when? When it comes to the women he loves. He loves Ovi but is in love with Purvi, he cannot disappoint or hurt either and because of this he fails. He is not a strong person mentally, maybe cos of his age, maybe cos of his lack of a mother growing up (we are granting that to Ovi and granting the adopted syndrome to Purvi so let us make that admission for him as well).

I do not think Arjun liked baby Pari any less before and more now that she is Purvi's. In fact, I don't think he considers the baby as Purvi's at all but just as his. At the party, he thanked Ovi for Pari and I think he means it, Ovi is Pari's mother so to speak, she has taken care of the baby to date and to him Ovi, Pari and him are family now. He apologizes to Ovi for not telling the truth, he does realize her hurt, he did not disclose the truth the other day because he felt she would break if she knew the truth. His intentions were not bad, yes, he should never have lied to her about the phone call but we all know how Ovi has reacted in the past and it was an innocent call. As he told her, he has not been unfaithful to her, he even tells her lets chuck all this and head back to Canada. When he asks her to think of Pari, he is not seeing Pari as Purvi's daughter but as "their" (Ovi's and his) child. Dumb, yes, idiotic, yes, inconsiderate, perhaps. Of course, it is easier said than done, Ovi is a woman scorned and hell hath no fury to beat that. His plea for them to remain a family is a sincere request to put the past behind them and move on. He has laid his ghosts to rest and he wants Ovi to do the same. Revenge, hurt, separation can go round and round, what these two need is healing. If Ovi divorces Arjun, what is the guarantee that the next man will not be just as inconsiderate. Better a known devil than an unknown angel. If she were my daughter, I would console her, cry with her (even though I know in my heart that she went into it knowing he loved another) but will try to help her make peace with her husband. Arjun will never be able to forget how much she loves him, he will owe her an eternal debt of gratitude, the buniyad that Manav was talking about would be as strong as a house built with mortar and bricks and not flimsy like a house built with a deck of cards, and Purvi will be a forgotten dream of Arjun's.


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Posted: 12 years ago
#70

Originally posted by: splendidaura

u know what , veera is a brilliant show and it has dealt with this issue most sensitively. in that show ratan's in laws never rubbed it on her face to accept veera. ratan was in a much better situation than ovi and had ranvijay. still nobody asked her to forgive sampooran's mistake.
when sampooran left the house in guilt , that time nobody from ratan's sasuraal tortured her that because of her non forgiving he had to leave. nobody blamed her for anything nor pressurized her for anything.
arjun is of extreme low standards and will never have any guilt. moreover the person who will be the first one to rub it on ovi and taunt her and pressurize her will be her own sister teju !! watch out for that !! teju is extremely insensitive and airheaded and will be the first person to force ovi to accept pari and i can bet on that. as it is teju is not like ovi. ovi truly loved only arjun whole and soul while teju has started falling for her jeth who is supposed to be like elder brother sachin.
teju herself doesnt have any morals and so it is very easy for her to open her outspoken mouth and preach ovi.


If Teju does, kudos to her. She is the less emotional of the lot, she is coldly sensible and if she urges her sister to move on, that will be done out of love and care for her sister not otherwise. Remember this same Teju wanted to drive her taxi over Purvi for deigning to cast an eye on Arjun. With no Aai there to comfort or advise Ovi, Teju is the next best thing Ovi has. It is easy to break relationships, we have seen that enough on PR, mending relationships is a much more difficult task. A reformed rake makes the best husband, the saying goes. While Arjun is no rake, he will be properly contrite and eternally grateful to Ovi if she decides to give their family a second chance. She will have him where she has always dreamed of having him, in the palm of her hand. Purvi is already a distant dream to Arjun, we heard his monologues and how he wants to remain a family with Ovi and Pari. Not immediately, for Arjun does deserve to stew a while, but ultimately I hope Ovi changes her mind and takes back Arjun with his Pari.

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