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Posted: 12 years ago
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Of course, Jyothi, especially wrt @red. Why, nowadays you have not just kids but their mothers stuffing themselves into what they think are hep and with it clothes, forgetting that the shape and size of their derrieres are not suited for tight jeans. And then one has to watch all these unsightly females waddling past on the street. Even for those with excellent figures, I personally always felt that there is no dress as sensuous as the saree; one can display as much (or as little) as you want,. Plus it is all sizes one saree, and it packs flat, so that one can manage a full weekend of meetings and formal events both evenings with a carry on. That was always a lifesaver for me when I used to tour a lot across the US, and wanted of avoid the risk of losing my luggage. I could not have managed with one shirt like the men!

Finally, they should stop stereotyping NRIs as loud and obnoxious, but they have still not got to ridding their south Indian characters of strange accents. like Mehmood in Padosan!

Shyamala

Originally posted by: jdronamraju

You are right, Shyamala. In those days, I do agree situations were as such hence the opinions about NRI kids. The visits back and forth were much lesser, diff environments, unfamiliar culture, lack of 'american' amenities and not used to indianness, for lack of a better word and so many other issues caused this behavior. Not justifying but just stating possible issues for the nri kids too back then.. But times have changed and the familiarity with people, culture and habits is prevalent on both sides now. neither the grandparents nor the grandkids feel that alienness and most are much more comfortable in either surroundings and have better relationships. actually, nowadays when I visit India I feel that indian kids are more westernized in their habits and tastes than before. When I mentioned buying half saris for my daughter in India, some of the adults were surprised saying that kids dont wear those anymore :) what do I say to that? If it was the kids saying i would understand but the parents too...
Anyway, keeping that aside, all I am saying is that it is time to stop stereotyping NRIs and their kids in movies and television and judge them as individuals and not generalize them.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: mandy321

Originally posted by koolsadhu1000

See , this is my take on Arjun . I had given some of it in a post that said he was sidelined . I had agreed . But i will give it in more detail here as this thread is running well .


Arjun Kirloskar is the most flawed , credible and human character created in PR . He relates to even viewers who don't agree with his actions bcoz he is real . His weakness
[ love for Purvi] is real ...there r men like that who r besotted by their lovers and do even murder for them or if told by them .

Arjun also did a murder when told by his lover . He murdered his own happiness .

When he was introduced , he was the perfect businessman . Brusque , professional ...with office decorum followed to the hilt . He was called inhuman for that but i never saw him that way.Thats the way it should be . In the ARVI pair , i always found him the one with office etiquette . Never saw arrogance in him as often accused by Purvi ...it puzzled me . I only found a confusion in him in trying to understand the business psyche of a third world country.
I found her to be super arrogant , judgemental , lacking office etiquette and behaving like a fishwife by making public issues in front of the employees , near the gate , by threatening to sue him and inciting the office employees against him .

He was judged for his wealth and his Canadian upbringing . He was shown to lose each ARVI fight and 'learn' from Purvi . That the chote log lifestyle is the best , that India had the best sanskaars . I always felt that it was exactly the opposite . That it was she who could learn from him ...for he had a much much wider exposure than her . He had seen the cultures of many countries and he dealt with people having different lifestyles . If her exposure was limited , his was wider and she could have learnt a thing or two from him . Indian bosses r far too impatient too and clearly tell their employees that their personal problems should be kept aside and work should be done efficiently . This , inspite of living in India . They r very clear that they r running a business not a social service camp . Purvi's demands were atrocious and would have never been entertained by any Indian boss who would have told her to take a hike . Where his Canadian upbringing and the subsequent inhumanity came in the picture was a puzzle to me .

The serial has hyped on Purvi's love for her mother Archana . But i found Arjun's love for his dead mother Ashna more touching . Clearly , she was a part of the way his psyche developed. He was emotional about his mother and he gave hundred percent to a woman when he fell in love bcoz he clearly felt that woman would step in her void and make him immensely happy again by always being there for him . He was innocent that way . He really believed that .

But if his mother would have prioritized him and made him very happy , the girl he loved and expected her to love back like her deprirotized him and made him very unhappy . She did not love him uncondtionally like his mother but put conditions and conditions in front of him. She did not love him like his mother but loved her mother only . He had asked her in an emotional moment that she would never ever leave him like his mom . He got a very practical lesson ...lovers don't necessarily love unconditionally like moms .

In the ARVI pair , he really and truly ' loved' . Ever since he met Purvi , life was one big test for him comprised of many many small tests and he gave each of them without blinking . Right from staying in a chawl to listening to her atrocious suggestions of marrying Ovi ...he listened to everything . She was his priority ...but for her , Archana was the priority .

I have always maintained that Purvi doesn't know the L of love .

Arjun gave his hundred percent when he fell for a girl bcoz

He was untouched by the feminine psyche as he had paid no attention to them . He was always heavily immersed in work . He did not sleep around nor did he have girlfriends . Just as he was shown to be mystified by the joy of new fatherhood when he felt the baby's first kick or upon seeing it for the first time , he was mystified by the joy or euphoria of meeting the love of his life and decided then and there to give his commitment his hundred percent .

He also gave his hundred % bcoz he missed his mother and innocently thought that the girl who came in his life would love him back uncondtionally like her .

The girl , however , witheld . She did not love him back hundred % but rather carefully.

Where he went wrong

In listening to everything whatever Purvi said .

He should have refused to marry Ovi . He should have told Purvi , fine u don't marry me if u wish , but I won't marry Ovi especially after being intimate with u .

He should not have given Archana's test . He should have told her clearly i am sorry , i won't disown my father or my upbringing even for a month as he has brought me up with the same love u have brought up your daughter after my mother's death . Being rich is not a crime . Accept me as i am coz i love ur daughter as she is .

He should have been shown worrying about his childhood friend after the break up coz he had spent his childhood with her . He was not shown giving her any thought but just as a lover .

In not truly working on his marraige once he made the commitment . He thought that giving a wife food , shelter and clothing is doing his 'farz' and there is a dialogue to this effect . No ...the wife did not lack this in her father's house . He kept her unhappy even when she was pregnant .


Not basically a liar and has courage

Arjun is not a pathological liar like Purvi . He became the bad guy and took a lot of flak from the Deshmukh family by honestly breaking off with Ovi . This action can be crtiqued but it takes a lot of courage too . He told honestly in a public party that he still loved his ex . He could not hide his feelings and even daydreamed in the bedroom till his wife noticed . Arjun cannot pretend as he is basically truthful and lies only when coached by Purvi which i find shameful . His character must be evolved not destroyed .

What he needs

Growing up , power packed dialogues and a POV of his own .

Power packed dialogues r just not given to him . I have already said that an angry Arjun can pull in the TRPs . When Purvi traded him in the infamous deal they could have shown him saying

Both of u made a deal but the difference was she wanted me in the deal while u gave me up .

I wanted him to learn about the pregnancy and fight a custody battle and win by proving in court that Purvi lied and that he could give more to the child and that he was not at all unwilling to take responsibilty of the child .

But CVS took another route . The custody case can still happen , i want this tyaag to bombard on Purvi's face .

It should be shown that after giving up the child , Purvi regrets her decision and plays the mamta card and says i cannot live without her and i want her back . Onir then tells all that is indeed Purvi's child .

Well this is where the unpredictable should happen . Arjun should refuse to give his daughter back . Uptill now he has not refused Purvi any thing but he should refuse this demand and tell her to fight it out in court .

I listened to everything u said but she is not just ur daughter she is my daughter too . I lost my other child in the accident , not this one .

You should have thought before giving her up , where was your mamta then

You were going to keep her from me if my other baby had survived ...i would have never known my blood had arrived in this world

With all due respect , u gave up ur own kids ...so why cannot ur daughter do the same
[ this to Archana ]

I am going to fight for my kid unlike u who just gave them up without a fight as my thoughts r different .[ this to Archana when she pleads on Purvi's behalf .]

RD needs power packed dialogues like this . Right now the CVs have given him only 2 dialogues ...Relax and Sit Sit Sit . And weep weep weep .

His love for his blood must outweigh his love for his ex . He has capability of loving 100 %
well the same crazy , passionate love he had for Purvi should be there for his daughter and that should be something Purvi had not bargained for .

Why r CVs so afraid of showing that a man can love his blood as passionately as he loved his ex once . Why this hesitation .

Viewers will relate to any filial passion track .

If this is done Arjun will become popular once more . Instead of weeping , he should be shown growing up and loving his daughter and as a dad . If this angle is focussed on , his past mistakes will be forgiven .

This is originally posted by Kools.. I hope she doesn't mind me posting it here as I like it and want it to be at the first page. I am sorry Kools,I am posting it without your permission .. I hope you don't mind.




omg how can i miss this post 😲
wot a brilliant post kools 👏

Edited by Huma- - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Mandy a selfless act by you...Thanks for posting it on the first page..God bless!!
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Posted: 12 years ago
#64

Originally posted by: Dabulls23

Mandy a selfless act by you...Thanks for posting it on the first page..God bless!!


Dabulls:) Thank you and Kools have written so beautifully. Would come back soon to post my reply:)
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: mandy321


Dabulls:) Thank you and Kools have written so beautifully. Would come back soon to post my reply:)


i think v shld open sep thread for this awesome post &send link to cvs & channel!!
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Posted: 12 years ago
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😆🤣 ..Hilarious, Shyamala ! I know what you are saying.. I had a visual of some of them in my recent visit ... :)

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Of course, Jyothi, especially wrt @red. Why, nowadays you have not just kids but their mothers stuffing themselves into what they think are hep and with it clothes, forgetting that the shape and size of their derrieres are not suited for tight jeans. And then one has to watch all these unsightly females waddling past on the street. Even for those with excellent figures, I personally always felt that there is no dress as sensuous as the saree; one can display as much (or as little) as you want,. Plus it is all sizes one saree, and it packs flat, so that one can manage a full weekend of meetings and formal events both evenings with a carry on. That was always a lifesaver for me when I used to tour a lot across the US, and wanted of avoid the risk of losing my luggage. I could not have managed with one shirt like the men!

Finally, they should stop stereotyping NRIs as loud and obnoxious, but they have still not got to ridding their south Indian characters of strange accents. like Mehmood in Padosan!

Shyamala

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Thank u guys who have appreciated my post and may i say thanks [ if i don't sound vain 😆😆] to those who will appreciate it ...sometimes in a hurry i fail to go over each thread . Many thanks guys .😊
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Pancham101

In a beautifully written lyrical piece this line
but he sweats first and bleeds next in the venture of love test

is my favorite ...

I did a double take ...one which is classic RD from his repertoire of expressions...when he arrived at the Mumbai airport. That is the day he really arrived for me. I doubled back to check out this character that was Arjun, from it's inception.

There was not a moment that I thought he was arrogant or rude. If he expected the best from his sub-ordinates, he expected even more from himself. The love and respect he afforded to all his family and friends was unpretentious. He never had any hidden agendas and wore his admiration...then love...as soon as he realized...on his sleeve

The subtle moments caught my attention more:
When he wanted to buy his mom's painting
When he did not want to discuss his mom with Purvi
When he was mesmerized by the raindrop
When he tugged at Purvi's dupatta at the escalator
When he looked on with such pride as Purvi and DK chatted
When...
..you get the drift...

And then he was not able to get through to Ovi. Could not tell her about Purvi. That ...was the beginning of the end for our beloved Arjun. He was resurrected for a bit until the night we all wiped the floor ( driveway, in this case ) with him, on the ill- fated night of the wedding.

Our favorite character, which used to be a strong author-backed role, was left, out cold. But, even as recent as today, the enduring strength and underlying consistency of this character is unmatched. The abject pain stemming from confusion as to why Purvi will not talk to him; the heartbreak of letting Purvi go, willingly, yet again are vintage Arjun/ RD ...since it is almost impossible to separate the two.

Arjun, we had, have, and will always have your back..till such a time that your creators will resurrect you...
And even beyond that.


@bold red: Impressive repertoire indeed...how many actors can we say that for, leave aside the ones in younger lot.

He has been honest about his feelings...as the song goes kee kasoor si mera (what's my fault) 😔

@bold blue: oh yes, we're supporting him through this, and waiting for the resurrection to begin.

Enough of tears, it's payback time now! Bring the khadoos Arjun back.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: jdronamraju

😆🤣 ..Hilarious, Shyamala ! I know what you are saying.. I had a visual of some of them in my recent visit ... :)





U have an excuse of having a visual on ur last visit Jyo. I just had my own visual in my mind's eye here 🤣.

Ohh... we are not in India, but we are indians and we have some of those right here. Shyamala Aunty this post made me smile quite early :).
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: peachesnplums


@bold red: Impressive repertoire indeed...how many actors can we say that for, leave aside the ones in younger lot.

He has been honest about his feelings...as the song goes kee kasoor si mera (what's my fault) 😔

@bold blue: oh yes, we're supporting him through this, and waiting for the resurrection to begin.

Enough of tears, it's payback time now! Bring the khadoos Arjun back.


@Purple:) Good promise for him:)

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