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Posted: 12 years ago
#71

Originally posted by: SanjanaBw

Isn't this exactly what the creators/Ekta wanted? Long threads, vehement arguments, polarized opinions, party divide, increase page hits and all result in TRPS😊. Amazing how we fall into the trap every time.


Just my point of view, us as audience have always been forgiving. Manav and Archana mistrusted each other, not for 18 hours, or 18 days... for 18 years. We were OK with that in the end because it is just a show. In real life no two people who love each other just walk away like that.
Archana didn't see her kids for 18 years for no fault of the kids. I never watched the show that diligently so I am not sure what happened. But certainly doesn't hold any resemblance to real life. We moved on because it is just a show. I am surprised that her kids don't hold that against her. If it was my mother, I can't imagine living under the same roof no matter who is at fault because a lot happens in a girls life in 18 years. Her kids forgive, forget and move on. I guess it is just a show.

Savita abused her daughter-in-law mentally, psychologically. Lied, cheated, accused and what not. Any person with any level of self respect will not put up with that crap . I am not sure if us audience ever stood up against that and said enough is enough. We watched and ignored or came to terms.

Sachin and Shravani had a kid before wedlock. We were OK with that. Shravani left her kid for god knows what. I can't imagine how all these mothers walk away from their kids like that. But then she was just a side character in the show. Varsha had an affair with a married man, walked aways from her wonderful husband who I think was really cute (:-). Kidnapped a kid, lived with a goon without marriage. Not sure if we opposed that on moral grounds this strongly.

Vandu's husband Ajit abused her, harassed her and threatened her before and after marriage. Not sure how much of that was opposed. Vinod and Manju manipulated elders. God knows where Manohar is. May his soul rest in peace. We moved on.

For those who have watched the show more diligently I am sure they could find a lot more and may be this is the tip of the iceberg.

We seem to be OK with everything that is morally wrong. Why such a commotion now or may be this will pass too? Given all the history and forgiveness, in the end if Arjun marries/lives with Punni, Purvi, Ovi, Soham does it really matter? Nothing else seemed to matter in our cultured society.

Just my POV.
Cheers.



SUPERB POST. After this post read then I think any new comment need. No more bashing ARVI.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#72
Dear Ashfaque,

I agree, but are you sure you are ok with the biting satire in Sanjana's post?

She is not exculpating Arjun and Purvi, you know. What she is saying, in this excellent example of black humour, is that there has been a whole host of equally reprehensible happenings in PR ,that she has carefully listed, and which the forum swallowed without protest, so why the hungama now? The last sentence @ red sums up what she is saying, and it is refreshingly cynical enough to please me. But I am surprised that you are pleased with it as well.

As for me, my main problem is not with the morals angle, but with the stupidity of it all, and the totally irresponsible things that Purvi did AFTERWARDS. If she had not been incredibly lucky, she might have, besides demolishing Arjun's life, also ended up putting both her life and that of her (and Arjun's ) baby at grave (and totally avoidable) risk.

She does not have sole rights to the baby and she has unilaterally deprived Arjun of his rights.

More important, nothing gave her the right to put the baby's life or future at risk, when she could have, at least after the anniversary party when she found out the truth about the Arjun-Ovi marriage, told Arjun to get a divorce, then endured the scandal she deserved, and finally married him. What followed, which is a worse mess than ever, is thus solely her doing. Not Arjun's, except in the sense that he was fool enough to obey her every command, like a puppet.

Next, there is her passing off her running away to save herself from the scandal as another mahaan tyaag by her to save Ovi's marriage. Ok, you might argue that she had to tell this lie to let Archana agree to her going away. But she could as well have told her the truth, and Archana would have agreed just the same. It would have at least been honest.

Not just this, but Purvi repeats this lie ad nauseum to Archana in Kolkatta, lamenting that what she did then (aka her latest tyaag) had not borne the hoped for fruit of a normal Arjun-Purvi marriage. And all the while she knows that her real motivation was totally different, and anything but laudable.Is this hypocrisy or not?

All this apart, for me, what is unacceptable is for such folly and irresponsibleness on her part to be rewarded, as they are undoubtedly going to be, here and in PR, with hosannas and a halo (for Purvi, that is).

So I am fully with Sanjana, but perhaps (and pardon me if I am mistaken here) is a sense different from yours.

Aquanymph might object that I have drifted off topic, but I had to say this somewhere, before I quit this forum for keeps, and if might as well be here as anywhere else. From now on, I shall be spared all these dysfunctional goings in PR, which will undoubtedly be very good for me.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: ashfaque2012


SUPERB POST. After this post read then I think any new comment need. No more bashing ARVI.



Originally posted by: SanjanaBw

Isn't this exactly what the creators/Ekta wanted? Long threads, vehement arguments, polarized opinions, party divide, increase page hits and all result in TRPS😊. Amazing how we fall into the trap every time.


Just my point of view, us as audience have always been forgiving. Manav and Archana mistrusted each other, not for 18 hours, or 18 days... for 18 years. We were OK with that in the end because it is just a show. In real life no two people who love each other just walk away like that.
Archana didn't see her kids for 18 years for no fault of the kids. I never watched the show that diligently so I am not sure what happened. But certainly doesn't hold any resemblance to real life. We moved on because it is just a show. I am surprised that her kids don't hold that against her. If it was my mother, I can't imagine living under the same roof no matter who is at fault because a lot happens in a girls life in 18 years. Her kids forgive, forget and move on. I guess it is just a show.

Savita abused her daughter-in-law mentally, psychologically. Lied, cheated, accused and what not. Any person with any level of self respect will not put up with that crap . I am not sure if us audience ever stood up against that and said enough is enough. We watched and ignored or came to terms.

Sachin and Shravani had a kid before wedlock. We were OK with that. Shravani left her kid for god knows what. I can't imagine how all these mothers walk away from their kids like that. But then she was just a side character in the show. Varsha had an affair with a married man, walked aways from her wonderful husband who I think was really cute (:-). Kidnapped a kid, lived with a goon without marriage. Not sure if we opposed that on moral grounds this strongly.

Vandu's husband Ajit abused her, harassed her and threatened her before and after marriage. Not sure how much of that was opposed. Vinod and Manju manipulated elders. God knows where Manohar is. May his soul rest in peace. We moved on.

For those who have watched the show more diligently I am sure they could find a lot more and may be this is the tip of the iceberg.

We seem to be OK with everything that is morally wrong. Why such a commotion now or may be this will pass too? Given all the history and forgiveness, in the end if Arjun marries/lives with Punni, Purvi, Ovi, Soham does it really matter? Nothing else seemed to matter in our cultured society.

Just my POV.
Cheers.



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Posted: 12 years ago
#73

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Dear Ashfaque,

I agree, but are you sure you are ok with the biting satire in Sanjana's post?

She is not exculpating Arjun and Purvi, you know. What she is saying, in this excellent example of black humour, is that there has been a whole host of equally reprehensible happenings in PR ,that she has carefully listed, and which the forum swallowed without protest, so why the hungama now? The last sentence @ red sums up what she is saying, and it is refreshingly cynical enough to please me. But I am surprised that you are pleased with it as well.

As for me, my main problem is not with the morals angle, but with the stupidity of it all, and the totally irresponsible things that Purvi did AFTERWARDS. If she had not been incredibly lucky, she might have, besides demolishing Arjun's life, also ended up putting both her life and that of her (and Arjun's ) baby at grave (and totally avoidable) risk.

She does not have sole rights to the baby and she has unilaterally deprived Arjun of his rights.

More important, nothing gave her the right to put the baby's life or future at risk, when she could have, at least after the anniversary party when she found out the truth about the Arjun-Ovi marriage, told Arjun to get a divorce, then endured the scandal she deserved, and finally married him. What followed, which is a worse mess than ever, is thus solely her doing. Not Arjun's, except in the sense that he was fool enough to obey her every command, like a puppet.

Next, there is her passing off her running away to save herself from the scandal as another mahaan tyaag by her to save Ovi's marriage. Ok, you might argue that she had to tell this lie to let Archana agree to her going away. But she could as well have told her the truth, and Archana would have agreed just the same. It would have at least been honest.

Not just this, but Purvi repeats this lie ad nauseum to Archana in Kolkatta, lamenting that what she did then (aka her latest tyaag) had not borne the hoped for fruit of a normal Arjun-Purvi marriage. And all the while she knows that her real motivation was totally different, and anything but laudable.Is this hypocrisy or not?

All this apart, for me, what is unacceptable is for such folly and irresponsibleness on her part to be rewarded, as they are undoubtedly going to be, here and in PR, with hosannas and a halo (for Purvi, that is).

So I am fully with Sanjana, but perhaps (and pardon me if I am mistaken here) is a sense different from yours.

Aquanymph might object that I have drifted off topic, but I had to say this somewhere, before I quit this forum for keeps, and if might as well be here as anywhere else. From now on, I shall be spared all these dysfunctional goings in PR, which will undoubtedly be very good for me.

Shyamala B.Cowsik







Yes Purvi is fault but only say that all people are fault. We expect something but happen others then we follow our heart not brain. Purvi's action is same. Purvi want all time good thing but destiny is very cruel for her & written others things. Another thing if we blame ARVI this incident then very first blame to CVs of PR & Ekta Mata.

Only say to U that Please don't leave the forum as we all enjoy your posts/comments and your brilliant writing.


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Posted: 12 years ago
#74
Dear Sanjana,

I always pleases me when young people like you like my writing and appreciate my views, for that justifies my belief that the generation gap need not exist. Thank you.

I took your post more as a brilliant exercise in satire than in philosophy, and maybe my take is valid too, for any piece of writing is as much what the readers make of it as it is what the writer intended it to be.

The satire interpretation will be, I think, more helpful than the philosophy one, especially to those like me who do not have the stomach for PR any longer. When there is not a single character left (except Onir, and who knows what fate awaits him?) who is worth watching, there is no longer any reason for staying with the serial.

Plus I do not want to come across as the Grinch, which is what I would end up as, since I can find nothing worthwhile here any more and my posts would be relentlessly negative. I am by nature a sunny person, and I do not like so much negativity, least of all in myself.

Take care, my dear, and stay safe and happy. God bless.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: SanjanaBw

Dear Shyamalaji,

Thank you for the kind words. I hope I didn't offend any ones feeling with my philosophical post. I guess it is the after effects of 'Life of Pi' . My response/reflection was directed more towards myself. I wanted to put checks and balances on my own emotions and come to terms with this show and somehow justify the reason for continuing to watch the show. If it has helped anyone else along the process it is just a coincidence. Please don't leave the forum as we all enjoy your posts/comments and your brilliant writing. Would love to follow you if you blog or post on your experiences in general. I agree that in spite of not knowing each other, there is still sense of community here and we all belong here actively or passively (:-) and in this camp or that camp.

Regards

Sanjana B





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Posted: 12 years ago
#75
My dear Ashfaque,

Thank you so much for such a warm and generous compliment. It perked me up at a time when I am really feeling very blue.

But my dear, you will all be much better off without me. I am so totally cheesed off by all these dysfunctional developments that the heart for any writing has quite gone out of me, and I would not at all want to subject you to unadulterated negativity. It will corrode you and me both.

Take care, have fun with PR, and I hope the year is good for you in every way. God bless.

Shyamala B.Cowsik


Originally posted by: ashfaque2012

Yes Purvi is fault but only say that all people are fault. We expect something but happen others then we follow our heart not brain. Purvi's action is same. Purvi want all time good thing but destiny is very cruel for her & written others things. Another thing if we blame ARVI this incident then very first blame to CVs of PR & Ekta Mata.

Only say to U that Please don't leave the forum as we all enjoy your posts/comments and your brilliant writing.

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Posted: 12 years ago
#76
But Sanjana, where has the text of this post gone? It is there in my response above, and ashfaque had read it too, but how has it vanished here?

Shyamala

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Posted: 12 years ago
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love and lust both was there , whats so hurry if it is not lust ??? after few hours they about to get married but what they did ???
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Tanyaz

In m yeyes , it is the betrayal of her mother trust ..
I blamed Varsha for Soham's wrong actions .
Blamed Manav for Ovi's wrong actions ...
Now I will blame Archana for spoiling Purvi so much and Purvi's wrong actions ...Archanh was getting Purvi married by going against her whole family .The least Purvi could have done for her mother was to wait for one more day ...

ok, purvi should have waite done more day fr archana's sake then why did ur'll all bash her when she did a sacrifice i mean she did it for archana's sake
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: TALIRAlinda

love and lust both was there , whats so hurry if it is not lust ??? after few hours they about to get married but what they did ???



lust is one of the seven deadly sin.
it will lead to doing wrong thing and make even more sins.



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Posted: 12 years ago
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ur'll are getting to conclusions very fast
i mean ovi could have a dirty secret and the baby could not be arjun's but someone else's i mean the girl (ovi) who can use her mother (archana) as a pawn to get the man she "supposedly" loves, can do anything to keep that man with her...
though arjun did look happy when ovi said she was pregant so MAYBE they did do it...
a question to all:
why was arjun happy when ovi said that she is pregnant?
why did arjun not question her about who's the fatehr unless arjun is the father?
but if arjun is the father of alo's child then im sorry,i will not support arjun and neither will i like him

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