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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

Dear Abhi,

@comment in red.It is not clear to me which post of mine you are talking about here, the original curate's egg post or the later response to Janhvi and bee5 in this same thread.

As for Janhvi's post, to which you have responded here, if you have seen, or see my second post mentioned above, you will have my take on this. It is totally at odds with and has very little in common with Janhvi's, except in the conclusion that Purvi is now so obsessed with hitting out at Arjun that these repetitive diatribes are aimed at only thing, making him feel more and more guilty. It has become an end in itself for her. As for the ""kis mod par lakar khada kar diya hai", she has already said in, in exactly the same terms, at least three times, and mostly at a pitch that would shatter glass.

A girl with a bit more of pride, self respect and dignity would not make such a sad figure of herself every time she lands up in Arjun's office to report on things that could just as well have been conveyed over the phone. (He does not call her, does he ?- she comes on her own). Nor would she demean herself but endlessly moaning about how much she has suffered and is suffering because of him. It is deplorable.

The other thing: if it was her Manav Baba who was concerned, Purvi would instantly extend him blanket absolution for all his sins and acts of omission, which are far more serious than Arjun's. After all, Manav left his wife of many years to fend for herself for 18 long years, without making the slightest attempt to see how she was getting along or whether she needed any help.

Shyamala

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

Dear bee5 and Janhvi,

I think we will soon be well on the way to having a whole PhD thesis on our hands solely on Arjun-Purvi, and of course I myself am a none too minor culprit in the matter!

As for what I felt after last night's episode, if, as Janhvi says, Purvi is behaving like a wife, she is in the best tradition of nagging wives, fixing Arjun with a basilisk glare, and following him around the room with menacing intent (bee, you are quite right in your criticism of this unnecessary tactic).

The worst is her going ON and ON and ON about how miserable she is and how betrayed she feels because this wretch has broken her trust so badly. Exposing her hurt and vulnerability? She wallows in it herself, and insists on rubbing his face in it without fail.

Once she has spoken her mind to him in full on this theme - and in the highest decibels possible while still remaining out of the ultrasonic - long back (at that tete a tete in the office one evening), where is the need to keep on saying the same thing like an LP stuck in one groove?

Arjun deserves all this and more, but this is about Purvi. Doesn't the girl have ANY pride or self respect or dignity? Why does she have to parade her sorrows before Arjun every chance she gets? In her place, I would have been coldly but impeccably polite, not alternately huffy and accusing. Why does she not keep off him (he never visits her cabin these days) ? Does she have to report to him in person and can it not be done on the phone? It is not as though she had anything earth-shaking to communicate anyway.

The fact is that Purvi feels better by making Arjun squirm, and by now it has become an end in itself. The "poor betrayed Ovi who loved you since she was 14" leit motif has always been there in Purvi's harangues, but now it is being embellished with Ovi's own declarations of unquestioning trust in Arjun,and this without Ovi's knowledge or consent. It might have been an unexpected windfall for Purvi, and it does achieve its purpose of making Arjun feel even more guilty, but to what end?

Then again, letting, indeed forcing Arjun to listen in on Ovi's conversation with her was downright unethical. To try to excuse Purvi by saying that she did not know all this soul baring was coming is not does not work. She had NO business doing it without Ovi's consent, and that consent would never have been given.

As for trying to impress on Arjun that "You are going to hurt her, you have already hurt me. See where your cowardice has brought all of us, I don't think you can get out of this as easily as you think however long you take. You let me down, make sure you don't let her down at least.", hasn't all this been hurled in his face at least 3 times already - in the office, in the dark room, and again in the office? (There may be more such instances, for my memory fails me when I try to keep track of these unappetising Arjun-Purvi scenes over the last 3 weeks - they seem to be all blurring into a single depressing mass). Yesterday, it DID make Arjun feel and look more guilty than ever, but to what purpose, unless, as I suspect, this is an end in itself for Purvi now?

More to the point, even if Arjun had been the epitome of courage and honour, and had 'fessed up right then at the engagement party, does Purvi imagine that all would have been hunky dory? If she does think that, she needs to have her head examined. The uproar and the condemnations would have raised the roof, and the scarring of many relationships so close to Purvi's heart would have been permanent.

Most important, as bee asked so pertinently, WHAT does Purvi actually want Arjun to do? She is decidedly ambivalent, and thus inconsistent. The result is that we are terminally confused.

Lastly, there was NO need for her to grandstand for effect and tell Ovi that she has never loved anyone. She meant it as a jab at Arjun, but it is bound to backfire on her badly when Ovi learns the truth.

It is a cardinal principle in diplomacy, as in life in general, that when you cannot tell the truth, you should avoid actual lies as much as possible. This blatant lie of Purvi's, spoken solely to turn the knife in Arjun's (metaphorical) wound, was worse than unnecessary, it was stupid. It is very likely to damage her credibility at a crucial moment in the future.

Arjun-Purvi is not merely in the doldrums, it is going backwards. Most of their interactions these days are as fresh and appealing as last week's buns.

And does Purvi have to repeat that lunch-with-Vinay outfit for the 18th time? (Well, I made up that number, but it would not be less that 12 times!). I am no admirer of Ovi's sartorial choices, but her buttercup yellow, flounced top yesterday was as least both cheerful and new.

Shyamala


Dear Shyamala, I am just reading this just now...sorry had not read earlier...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

Dear Ashu,

Thanks for the kind words. As for the title, I always knew that 'like the curate's egg' meant something that was good in parts, but I never checked up the why and how of the curate. The Wiki entry about this is very entertaining,and has an excellent 19th century illustration as well. Do look it up.

As far as our duo is concerned, I am beginning to get terminally fed up of both of them, and with Purvi in the first place. If you have the time, ltake a ook at my response to bee5 and Janhvi a little earlier in this thread.

Shyamala



i will take a look Shymala😃...now free time...😆

in ur , abhi, Laurie & Jhanvi thread..daily i get to learn some new words😃, which i never head before...in my college days too i had easy words😉😆..mine is commerce bg, so these tough words go above my head..of literature...

i like only words like accounting, taxation liability, assets & etc 😆

i know, these ARVI scene got stuck thr after Arjun got engaged..Arjun with same repetitive dial..of he will do everything proper...& same sulking face & being showing strong Purvi...& same Ovi's insecurities🥱
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Dear Shyamala,
I agree to each and every sentence in your post, very much on the question you raise about what would have happened if Arjun did declare about Purvi during his engagement, which she often seems use to blame it on Arjun.

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Why does she not keep off him (he never visits her cabin these days) ? Does she have to report to him in person and can it not be done on the phone? It is not as though she had anything earth-shaking to communicate anyway.

She is going in there to resolve the issue for her Ovi Ma'am and Arjun Sir😆, for they are in deep trouble😆, but instead, as you said, ends up parading her sorrows!


Originally posted by: sashashyam

Dear bee5, did she really use Vicks Vaporub? It must have been awful for her very pretty eyes. Glycerine is MUCH better.

Yes, that is what they said in the off screen video segment - "Everyone uses Glycerin, but Ankita uses Vicks!". Maybe she sees some advantage or maybe there is some other reason.

Shyamala this is the 2nd time I have noticed that your 2nd outing is much better than the 1st. Not that the original is bad. But the 2nd one has more grit it in. If I have to highlight what I liked, then I would be highlighting all the paras. Brilliant post.👏

Originally posted by: soapwatcher1

Bee, I think at that point Purvi is so bent on making Arjun rue the day of the engagement that she forgets Ovi is still on the line There is a significant pause in the conversation as she glares accusingly at Arjun, the conversation in her mind is between Arjun and her. Even Ovi realizes there is silence on the other end and is confused for an instant until she hears Teju's voice and cuts short the conversation. Purvi wants to hurt Arjun with that lie and she is not thinking of the consequence of that lie. She is at the end of her tether as I said and I think she has all but given up hope that he will ever muster the courage to set things right between them. She does not doubt his love but she does doubt his guts to do anything about it. (Left to him, they could silently love each other forever and he might come clean on his deathbed after fathering umpteen children with Ovi perhaps!) I think her resolve to step aside for Ovi vaccilates with each encounter with Arjun. If she really was firm about it, she would not keep throwing his shortcomings at his face every opportunity she gets, she likes to rub it in hard and deep and in my mind he deserves every bit of it.


...He deserves every bit of it, and She has to do it? 😲And this is the guy she will later marry?😔 'You hurt me, so I hurt you, now that we are equal on our scores, lets get married'.🤔 He did wrong, but neither is she doing anything right here by grating his face on the issue at every opportunity.
She knows he doesn't have the guts and he clearly stated that he will not tell until her legal issue is resolved. In that case, Purvi should either stand up and do something concerely for their relationship or move on with her head held high. I would want her to show some dignity. She has told him once, twice, thrice. How many more times is she going to tell the same thing and wallow in self-pity?😒 She should make him come behind her, but not like this nagging and being persistent to no end. Now it looks like she want him more than he wants her. She seems to be stuck to him.


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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

Dear bee5 and Janhvi,

I think we will soon be well on the way to having a whole PhD thesis on our hands solely on Arjun-Purvi, and of course I myself am a none too minor culprit in the matter!

As for what I felt after last night's episode, if, as Janhvi says, Purvi is behaving like a wife, she is in the best tradition of nagging wives, fixing Arjun with a basilisk glare, and following him around the room with menacing intent (bee, you are quite right in your criticism of this unnecessary tactic).

The worst is her going ON and ON and ON about how miserable she is and how betrayed she feels because this wretch has broken her trust so badly. Exposing her hurt and vulnerability? She wallows in it herself, and insists on rubbing his face in it without fail.

Once she has spoken her mind to him in full on this theme - and in the highest decibels possible while still remaining out of the ultrasonic - long back (at that tete a tete in the office one evening), where is the need to keep on saying the same thing like an LP stuck in one groove?

Arjun deserves all this and more, but this is about Purvi. Doesn't the girl have ANY pride or self respect or dignity? Why does she have to parade her sorrows before Arjun every chance she gets? In her place, I would have been coldly but impeccably polite, not alternately huffy and accusing. Why does she not keep off him (he never visits her cabin these days) ? Does she have to report to him in person and can it not be done on the phone? It is not as though she had anything earth-shaking to communicate anyway.

The fact is that Purvi feels better by making Arjun squirm, and by now it has become an end in itself. The "poor betrayed Ovi who loved you since she was 14" leit motif has always been there in Purvi's harangues, but now it is being embellished with Ovi's own declarations of unquestioning trust in Arjun,and this without Ovi's knowledge or consent. It might have been an unexpected windfall for Purvi, and it does achieve its purpose of making Arjun feel even more guilty, but to what end?

Then again, letting, indeed forcing Arjun to listen in on Ovi's conversation with her was downright unethical. To try to excuse Purvi by saying that she did not know all this soul baring was coming is not does not work. She had NO business doing it without Ovi's consent, and that consent would never have been given.

As for trying to impress on Arjun that "You are going to hurt her, you have already hurt me. See where your cowardice has brought all of us, I don't think you can get out of this as easily as you think however long you take. You let me down, make sure you don't let her down at least.", hasn't all this been hurled in his face at least 3 times already - in the office, in the dark room, and again in the office? (There may be more such instances, for my memory fails me when I try to keep track of these unappetising Arjun-Purvi scenes over the last 3 weeks - they seem to be all blurring into a single depressing mass). Yesterday, it DID make Arjun feel and look more guilty than ever, but to what purpose, unless, as I suspect, this is an end in itself for Purvi now?

More to the point, even if Arjun had been the epitome of courage and honour, and had 'fessed up right then at the engagement party, does Purvi imagine that all would have been hunky dory? If she does think that, she needs to have her head examined. The uproar and the condemnations would have raised the roof, and the scarring of many relationships so close to Purvi's heart would have been permanent.

Most important, as bee asked so pertinently, WHAT does Purvi actually want Arjun to do? She is decidedly ambivalent, and thus inconsistent. The result is that we are terminally confused.

Lastly, there was NO need for her to grandstand for effect and tell Ovi that she has never loved anyone. She meant it as a jab at Arjun, but it is bound to backfire on her badly when Ovi learns the truth.

It is a cardinal principle in diplomacy, as in life in general, that when you cannot tell the truth, you should avoid actual lies as much as possible. This blatant lie of Purvi's, spoken solely to turn the knife in Arjun's (metaphorical) wound, was worse than unnecessary, it was stupid. It is very likely to damage her credibility at a crucial moment in the future.

Arjun-Purvi is not merely in the doldrums, it is going backwards. Most of their interactions these days are as fresh and appealing as last week's buns.

And does Purvi have to repeat that lunch-with-Vinay outfit for the 18th time? (Well, I made up that number, but it would not be less that 12 times!). I am no admirer of Ovi's sartorial choices, but her buttercup yellow, flounced top yesterday was as least both cheerful and new.

Shyamala



Shyamala there is only one word that came to my mind when I read this post of yours: AMEN!!! You hit every nail in the center of the head on this one. Arjun is dense...and is at fault...but Purvi's constant haranguing is indeed coming dangerously close to sheer cattiness. That mean streak is starting to om out, aside from making Arjun a coward it seems the CVs are hell bent on ruining Purvis sweetness- I pray to God they don't turn her into a shrew. A shrew and a coward---what a gift the CVs have given us on our ARVI.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: samarp2



i will take a look Shymala😃...now free time...😆

in ur , abhi, Laurie & Jhanvi thread..daily i get to learn some new words😃, which i never head before...in my college days too i had easy words😉😆..mine is commerce bg, so these tough words go above my head..of literature...

i like only words like accounting, taxation liability, assets & etc 😆

i know, these ARVI scene got stuck thr after Arjun got engaged..Arjun with same repetitive dial..of he will do everything proper...& same sulking face & being showing strong Purvi...& same Ovi's insecurities🥱

Hi Ashu,
Me too...commerce background...i second that i too learn and love the language of some of these brilliant writers here like Shyamala, Janhvi, Laurie and Archana... i learn new words too...but that is what draws me to their wonderful writing...and love Shyamala's -as Laurie qualified- "wicked humor" (can't get over Krack cream for Purvi's feet...🤣) and her very very wise words and practical advice whether to us or to ARVI or the CVs of PR, and as Shyamala had once said to me Janhvi is like an ever flowing river...with her words/posts/language..and Laurie is the equivalent of RWE and other poets, imaginative and creative too, but sprinkled with plenty of peppiness and humor...and Archana is very detailed and thorough in her analysis and background...along with superb language...so love all these lovely ladies and their writing...👏
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Wow, Abhi so i m not alone who feels lost in literature world😆..i have 1 nice Co.😳

i second u at ur last comment on all these ladies here👍🏼
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Abhi, you are too kind, at least in regards to me.😊
Bee, in answer to one of your posts (I have yet to learn the easy way to copy paste multiple posts on my phone to respond to all of them together like you do so efficiently!), I would prefer Purvi to walk away from Arjun with head held high and dignity intact given the present impasse with him, unfortunately that is not how the CVs will play it! 😔
Shyamala, a PhD thesis and whatever else may come after😃, we have become so attuned to seeing nuances and catching hidden meanings, when perhaps none are intended or exist, that we infuse life and feeling into these characters so much so that they seem like every day friends or acquaintances whose sorry lives we see unfolding before us and feel an urgent need to rectify their mistakes before it is too late to turn back the clock. Alas, the clock and the control are in the hands of Ekta Mata and all our anguished entreaties and fervent pleas continue to fall on deaf ears until her Majesty so pleases to change the tides in our favor.
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Thank you so much for your kind words Abhi! 😊 Glad to hear you enjoy reading our posts!

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