An honest comparison between Shankar and Shaan

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Posted: 15 years ago
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Please note that I am comparing the two with respect to their stint in MKMM as captain. Also I am not a blind supporter to ANYBODY in MKMM. I am just trying bring the positives and negatives as constructively as possible.

Shankar Mahadeven Positives:

1. Improves the team's position by singing outstandingly. (Although personally I did not like Mitwa..I think the essence or soul of the song was lost by unnecessary taankari)
2. Always comes up with good medley
3. Kept his cool throughout the competition

Shankar Mahadevan Negatives:

1. As far as I understand, the reality shows are supposed to showcase the yet undiscovered or struggling singing talents so that they get a good chance of getting noticed by music directors and prove their mettle. All the contestants in the competition are yet to establish themselves in the Bollywood and strugglers like Rehman, Munawar etc are fighing against all odds to continue their singing. The captains in MKMM are well established, financially sound and gets regular chance to work in HIndi cinema and regularly perform in concerts, shows etc. which are widely circulated via YouTube and other channels. But anyday the public does not get to hear Abhas, Sharib or any other contestants. The contestants get the least exposure compared to their captains. It was expected from the captains to give considerable and fair chance to all the team members. Shankar Mahadevan, Himmesh and Mika did criminal injustice to Sanjeev, Munawar and Tejinder by not projecting them at all. Shankar till date has played max no of matches and Sanjeev got to sing only twice (even when he got SOD for one performance). This is unacceptable.

2. Also in continuation of the above point, the captains do not need to project their singing capability in MKMM because for that we have films or programs like Yeh Sham Mastani (in Sony TV), Mission Ustaad etc. where only established singers sing. I absolutely see no reason of Shankar coming in the first or second round for the sake of entertaining audience (he came at least thrice, against Sharib, Anwesha and Aishwarya in the first round itself). In the first or second round, there is no pressure, his team is not lagging behind and Rahul or Sharib/sanjeev/Neeti could have given very good performance and yet Shankar comes to show his 'mastery' of the craft. This is absolutely unethical. (I laud Shreya here for sending Ujjaini after Anwesha giving an outstanding performance rather than coming herself even when Ujjaini did not give good performance till that date). For Shankar's behaviour, I can only say "Only one team played in the spirit of the game" as said in bodyline series and recently in Ind-Aus test cricket series in Australia.

3. When Shankar's match is on, he appreciates only his team members' performance (from the facial expression that is shown, only notable exception lauding Anwesha in stage) unlike Shaan who absolutely enjoys the performance of the opponent team members.

4. Shankar's team specially Rahul, Sharib, Neeti shows a lot of acting prowess (or rather say drama?) in the stage (like proposing a judge, bringing a girl on stage to "create the atmosphere" etc) which sometimes prompts me to think whether we are here to listen good songs or see the acting at the cost of sur and lyrics?

5. Sharib and Rahul were in arguments with the judges and were arrogant to some extent. Shankar should have controlled their behaviour.

6. If you break up the performances, then the number of times Shankar's team members came to perform are: Rahul - 65%, Sharib - 20%, Shankar - 14%, Neeti - 5% , Sanjeev - 1%. There is a huge disparity. Neeti also sang only once before Dil Se duets are introduced.


Shaan Positives:

1. The only captain in MKMM who have given fair chance to everyone in the team. He has sent each team member in every round. He does not overemphasize on one single performer and dares to send the Chhupa Rustom in the first round itself. It was lovely to hear that he wants to be in the final so that Shadab could win SOD. No one in MKMM has supported the Chhupa Rustom in their respective team so well.

2. He always enjoys opponent teams performance even when his team members are not doing well.

3. His team members never argued with the judges or showed disrespect to judges. They left only their captain to speak on their behalf.

4. He always sang against the captains only, NOT when some struggling singer singing well in the opponent team.

Shaan Negatives:

1. He has lost his cool, could have controlled his outburst.
2. He is not as good as a singer as compared to Shankar or Shreya. Sometimes, his high notes are strained.

All are welcome to agree or disagree with my opinions

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Posted: 15 years ago
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One request ... please listen to Shaan's 'Sada Kalo Kichu Dorakata Daag' a song from bengali movie Antaheen (MD: Shantanu Moitra) .. and then write on high note / pitch of Shaan ....

My fav singer was Shaan along with others earlier .. but after I (rather we .. some of my friends also did) listened to this song .. Shaan is our die hard fav singer .... His voice quality .. pitch throw .. expression was awesome in the song .. it was a bit underrated though compared to Ferari Mon and Jao pakhi, as this was one of a off-beat kind of song .. but if you understand music ... scale, pitch .. voice quality ... this one was the ace number ... same as Behti Hawa of 3 Idiots ... Zubi Dubi is more popular but song quality wise I give much more point to Behti Hawa ... Shantanu M gives his best song to Shaan :O)
And ... I do not want to compare SM and Shaan .... that would open a new series of fight again ... so "All Izz Well" ... but try to listen to Shaan's Antaheen movie song .....
Edited by navaneeta - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Hi Navneeta,

I also like Shaan's singing a lot. But I am here talking about Shaan's performance in MKMM only. I find in some of the performances in MKMM, the high notes are strained..I felt they should be more smooth.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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I think it shd be named An honest comparison between Shankar's team and Shaan's team......anyways i agree with most of ur pts except the comment abt Shaan. He has been an awesome singer even in MKMM according to me.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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@musimanic i agree with u all points,not last 2..
see the fact wer shaan outburst..i dont ve strength to argue on same basis..we ve discussed on this in lots of topics,shaan was totally justified with his anger..
Shankar was good in alaps,classical type songs..
Shreya was good in her melodious voice,romantic numbers of songs duet with mainly shaan,peoples love duets of shaan and shreya,many..
wer shaan was good as pop numbers,romantic numbers,feeling based touching songs,shaan is more popular in remix type,romantic songs duet with shreya,many..,

So all good in there geners,shankar cant sing shaans remix numbers,romantic numbers as shaan do,shaan cant to shankar numbers..
Shaan,Shreya is d best in all way wen come to singers among three..Shankar was grtd singer in songs wat he sang and he is a grt MD..

Edited by safeenafarheen - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Regarding comparison between shaan and shankar as captain. there is no doubt that shaan is much better than shankar..But uska ek reason hai..Shaan has got some of the best singers in his team while shankar has got much weaker singers except rahul vaidya (i dont know y this partiality to shankar)..
Now in this show everyone wants to win..even shaan wants to win too.. his team memebers can do it for him but shankar's team is too weak to do it..isliye shankar comes again and again..(but guys he only comes jab saamne wali team ko kafi acche points mile hote hain aand tats an ok strategy if u want to win)..
Apart from that the positive thing that shaan has as a captain is that he really encourages his team like no one else do..So for this Shana deserves credit..
Now as a singer, no comparison between shaan and shankar in terms of classsical music because shaan is not that trained in classical music..In terms of voice quality as a playback singer shaan is much better..tats y he gets all the hit numbers..As far as high notes a re concerned yes he is a bit weak..Live shows mein u come to know about it..film songs to recording studios mein record hote hain where anyone can sing on high scale (even atif seems in sur in his film songs).. 😉
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: anutech2006

Regarding comparison between shaan and shankar as captain. there is no doubt that shaan is much better than shankar..But uska ek reason hai..Shaan has got some of the best singers in his team while shankar has got much weaker singers except rahul vaidya (i dont know y this partiality to shankar)..
Now in this show everyone wants to win..even shaan wants to win too.. his team memebers can do it for him but shankar's team is too weak to do it..isliye shankar comes again and again..(but guys he only comes jab saamne wali team ko kafi acche points mile hote hain aand tats an ok strategy if u want to win)..
Apart from that the positive thing that shaan has as a captain is that he really encourages his team like no one else do..So for this Shana deserves credit..
Now as a singer, no comparison between shaan and shankar in terms of classsical music because shaan is not that trained in classical music..In terms of voice quality as a playback singer shaan is much better..tats y he gets all the hit numbers..As far as high notes a re concerned yes he is a bit weak..Live shows mein u come to know about it..film songs to recording studios mein record hote hain where anyone can sing on high scale (even atif seems in sur in his film songs).. 😉

Very well balanced comments. Agreed with the whole post. Good to see there are some people who analyze things through neutral POV instead of fanatic POV.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Good post. Well laid out.

anutech brings out another point too. Shankars singers are no less talented compared to Shaans Singers, but they have been unable to do so in MKMM and Anwesha sang very good in the whole MKMM and Debo was allright and Shadab was good too.

Sharib was one of my favorites and I thought Rahul was good enough too. But they havent clicked enough in this series. I dont know why Shankar hasnt used Sanjeev much.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Every singer has his own pros and cons.
I also think Shaan is little uncomfortable when it comes to high notes. A good example of this is 'Chand Sifarish' where the Subhaan-allah part was performed by Kailash Kher. I haven't heard his Bengali song which navaneeta has mentioned. He might be improving. But this in no way means that Shaan is not a good singer. When a song requires a little naughtiness in the song, there is no better singer than Shaan. Overall if we see Shankar is no doubt superior to Shaan. But common Shankar ji has been in the industry for a long time now. Shaan has still many heights to conquer.
As a captain in MMKM, Shaan without a shatter of doubt has been the best.
Edited by brahmabul - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Agree with everything in the original post. But there is one qualification to be made about Shaan's outbursts - he is put in the most unfair situations all the time! And then others wind him up further....

Also, I would like to second all of anutech's points. Shankar comes to sing because he has a weaker team than Shaan. But I would say that Shaan has shown better captaincy by making his team so strong. OK in terms of female singers, Shaan's team has an advantage - but if Shankar polished his team, his male singers could be amazing, even better than Shaan's. Anyway, what's happened has happened... As of now, Shankar's team is weaker than Shaan's, which is why Shaan deserves to win.

And I completely endorse anutech's analysis that Shankar is wayyy better than Shaan as a singer, due to his classical base. But Shaan has a much better, more filmi voice quality.

Overall, in a battle of singers, Shankar would win handsdown. But in the battle of teams and team captains, Shaan deserves to win.

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