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Posted: 14 years ago
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I have never understood the premise of expressing one's love by way of hatred. I hate all else EXCEPT you! For me it is almost an insult, to be loved by such a hard heart.

For me depth of love, an intensity and delicacy is found through love itself. I love everyone BUT I love you the most.

Like Mayank on his wedding night telling Nupur how wondrous it is that ALL brides look beautiful on their wedding day, AND that she is the most beautiful of them all. Now that's a compliment.

Being convinced of my convictions I know that I can come across as forthright BUT I do realize that my view is not the only way to understand one's life. As a dear friend pointed out during our debate over this issue, that she has a right to criticize as she finds the world, a right to hate as much as a right to love. Maybe she is correct, however...

The reason I began this topic is that in the aftermath of the end of MJHT, I find that many are caught in a lull. Waiting for something better and brighter. I am not only talking about the cast and crew BUT us fans, admirers too. Though we knew we may not find something to replace MJHT, we have been unable to make our hearts beat again along to a mellifluous melody. Good things came but nothing feels the same.

My point is that instead of supporting one another during the difficultly of these darker days, I find an atmosphere of competition. Like a race, the first past the post is deemed the best. If Gunjan, Samrat, Nupur or Mayank behaved as we did, would we, could we regard them as beloveds? That spirit of MJHT of support, of friendship and of family is what I find lacking.

It is heart warming to see Sanaya doing so well after MJHT, I wish success for all the rest too. Please do not misunderstand me, I am not asking for you to change your hearts' inclinations and love those whom you never have BUT I am humbly asking that we stop competing and begin supporting even if just by encouragement.

So whether if it is that daily post on your beloved's blog or IF profile, reminding them that you haven't forgotten them or that happiness they brought into your life OR whether you seek to promote their talents by all other means at your disposal, we should be happy to see such enthusiasm and not regard it as competition for it is not about who is best BUT it is about your beloved's happiness and success.

Feel free to whitewash, disagree, for as I said, I know only a drop in the ocean and could well be talking just plankton!

With all sincerity, your friend and supporter, Sabah
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Posted: 14 years ago
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wow!!...
i am just left in awe with the content of this post...
am in complete agreement with u dii...
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Hey Sabah 🤗

I Love your post, you have been Brave to put forward your opinion, and i think this whole topic couldn't have been said any better!

Competition was there But After MJHT I didn't really witness much of it, there was more of the attitude of being aloof or ignorance which i questioned myself about but didn't ask anyone Because as your friend said, everyone has their own opinion and their choice to Like/Dislike. I guess at India-Forums hatred should have no place. If a person hates someone it's their own personal thought and judgement, the emotion should be kept to oneself and not be spread around. For It is always better to speak Good or remain quiet something i try to practice in my life.The Spirit of MJHT in the forum according to me has been Lacking eversince season 2.

And i guess even you would agree, the state of heart and mind, or any possible hatred/Dislike once formed is Hard to change. Not Impossible but hard.
It requires a willingness to embrace and support, which i myself admit I Lack. I haven't been involved in the spirit of competing but i haven't been supportive of others either.

I think i wouldn't be either, the spirit of competition has spread a roughness around. I am hoping that you would understand what i am trying to say here. Lemme put it in a better manner

Please do not misunderstand me, I am not asking for you to change your hearts' inclinations and love those whom you never have

My point is If there was a lil inclination it has dimnished and nearly extinguished. I can forgive but not really forget, For there was a strong reason that it all happened at the first place.

At the End, we are at our places, and i agree with you that we should be happy to see such enthusiasm and not regard it as competition for it is not about who is best BUT it is about your beloved's happiness and success.

Once again Lovely post Sabah :)
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Everybody is as democratic as you, Philosopher and that includes people who just love one and hate all. I don't know if my feedback would make enough sense, but I call this obsession, because we cannot even faintly be truthful to say that we love all. Thing is, we do not love even those we claim to, I have acted besotted watching Arjun and Rati as Mayank and Nupur romancing on TV every night for six months. I have also wished to break my TV into as many pieces as possible when I wanted to see them go on yet further, but Sanaya would pop up just because Gunjan wanted to cry.

But after two years from my those beautifully obsessive six months, I know I have an absolutely stupendous regard for Gunjan Bhushan, the character or Samrat Shergil who had an insufferable English and I cherish Mayank and Nupur, without any deviation in my sentiment or even a scarce development in my regard. My Mayank and Nupur lie peaceful and untouched in my memory, and they ended the day they confessed their love to each other. My love for them ruled my love for the rest, so intrinsically Gunjan could never get her share of the happy ending in my head. But I have loved Samrat and Gunjan greatly in my head, even though much later than I normally would have. My thoughts about them have been changing, but an empathetic demeanor regarding Gunjan, the friend and lover about me never tapers. Matter of fact is, I expect to read and watch good fiction, be a good critique and also, learn to live with the fact that a lot of my major traits are with me because I have been into or am into reading and watching things and people who don't exist.

I believe everything a wastage of time beyond praising an actor for their acting ability. I have never been interested in Sanaya and Mohit's blog nor have I shown slightest of inclination in just assuming that the actors who played Mayank and Nupur are a thing. I don't care and it is not my job to care. Hence, I am not questionable when hating and loving them arises. However, as my two cents wind, my point remains the same, hatred marks obsession and there might be many forms of disguised love and affection, but the truest of all is not warm, not obsessive, not unreasonable and certainly not delusional (yes, I dun think there is any ArTi) but powerful. And that is why, I can always be close to Gunjan but never to Sanaya.


-Savage


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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: arjun-forever

wow!!...

i am just left in awe with the content of this post...
am in complete agreement with u dii...



You know I am in love with your name. 😳 You too. 😳 What I mean it is so beautiful in meaning and the way it sounds too.

Thank you for reading through my ramblings and trying to make sense out of them. Your kindness is once again evident.

That reminds me I haven't commented on Arjun's wall yet. 😆😳

With love, Sabah
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: TheWandmaker

Hey Sabah 🤗 Zeejay, It means so much that you read my musings, let alone replied to them. Dil se thanks. 🤗I Love your post, you have been Brave to put forward your opinion, and i think this whole topic couldn't have been said any better! I think it takes more courage to stand near me, by pressing like or even posting. 😳😆

Competition was there But After MJHT I didn't really witness much of it, there was more of the attitude of being aloof or ignorance which i questioned myself about but didn't ask anyone Because as your friend said, everyone has their own opinion and their choice to Like/Dislike. She is one of those four, that I mentioned to you before, that group of people in my life that I depend upon. She never becomes intoxicated by the fragrance of my flowery words and always seeks to question the substance at their stems.

After reading her views, I realized that people do have rights, that I can not ignore. For instance though I would beg people towards forgiveness there is a need for justice too. I can not annex rights of people without oppression and causing a type of suffocation.

@green, True.

I guess at India-Forums hatred should have no place. If a person hates someone it's their own personal thought and judgement, the emotion should be kept to oneself and not be spread around. For It is always better to speak Good or remain quiet something i try to practice in my life.This is my point, why do people seek affirmation of their convictions. If I think that Mohit is a good actor, deserves opportunities why should my conviction falter if I find no other to support it? I should have faith in my own feelings, and strive towards doing something about them NOT seek to prove their validity to others, others who even if convinced could do little to help the situation anyway.

It is this need to prove that others are weak or nothing when compared to their own beloved that irks me a little. I mean I don't want to sound like a whiny baby [too late] but sometimes I just need to say things once, just once, whether people heed at least I tried AND then again, I say these things because maybe I am missing something that debate may enlighten me, like with my friend, like with you. 😳


The Spirit of MJHT in the forum according to me has been Lacking eversince season 2. Even I am ashamed of my actions or rather lack of actions during that time, for which I am truly trying to make amends. 😳

And i guess even you would agree, the state of heart and mind, or any possible hatred/Dislike once formed is Hard to change. Not Impossible but hard.
It requires a willingness to embrace and support, which i myself admit I Lack. I haven't been involved in the spirit of competing but i haven't been supportive of others either. yes, there is this air of scorn BUT in the words of Adam Ant, Ridicule is nothing to be afraid of.

I do understand that there are worthier causes. I mean if a millionaire's daughter needs a shoulder to cry on, I would hesitate in running over NOT because her hurt isn't valid BUT that I pass many homeless people on the way to her house that demand my attention before I am able to give it to her. However I recently made a decision, right or wrong I don't know as of yet, that out of those causes that I give my time to, 90 % of my time I give to those truly needy and 10% to those whom I love, or rather love to love.

Sometimes I do feel silly, commenting on Mohit's wall, telling him that I miss his smile BUT even if other's scoff at my silliness, INCLUDING Mohit, I did it with good intention, with all my heart. I just love to root for the underdog, it has always been my way. Maybe it is because I am an underdog myself, so that by helping others I think my own path will change. It is all very selfish. It reminds me of that friends episode where Phoebe tries to do one selfless act, for when we do good for others we feel that happiness, that contentment in our soul and hence the act no longer remains selfless. 😆


I think i wouldn't be either, the spirit of competition has spread a roughness around. I am hoping that you would understand what i am trying to say here. Lemme put it in a better manner

Please do not misunderstand me, I am not asking for you to change your hearts' inclinations and love those whom you never have

My point is If there was a lil inclination it has dimnished and nearly extinguished. I can forgive but not really forget, For there was a strong reason that it all happened at the first place.

At the End, we are at our places, and i agree with you that we should be happy to see such enthusiasm and not regard it as competition for it is not about who is best BUT it is about your beloved's happiness and success.

Zeejay, I understand you. Sorry for going off on tangents above. 😳 Any excuse to bring up Mohit.😆

As I said, I understand you, and so I understand why people can not be supportive. It is like that fence where others have hammered nails into. Even if they say sorry and pull the nail out OR you forgive regardless and pull it out yourself, there remains a hole.


Once again Lovely post Sabah :) Thank you for reading and replying and as always thinking the best of me. With much love, Sabah

Edited by a little faith - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: Savage

Kankshita, I am so honoured that you replied to my random outpouring. I don't even mind the silliness of it all now.

Everybody is as democratic as you, Philosopher and that includes people who just love one and hate all. I don't know if my feedback would make enough sense, but I call this obsession, because we cannot even faintly be truthful to say that we love all. Thing is, we do not love even those we claim to, I have acted besotted watching Arjun and Rati as Mayank and Nupur romancing on TV every night for six months. I have also wished to break my TV into as many pieces as possible when I wanted to see them go on yet further, but Sanaya would pop up just because Gunjan wanted to cry.
I do understand, or rather have understood as much as my heart has perceived. Their are objects so grand that affect our hearts, like the sun and moon that cause a thing so tremendous as the ocean to move back and forth. So how can I be so arrogant to think I can sway movements of mightier objects, the hearts and souls of people?

But after two years from my those beautifully obsessive six months, I know I have an absolutely stupendous regard for Gunjan Bhushan, the character or Samrat Shergil who had an insufferable English and I cherish Mayank and Nupur, without any deviation in my sentiment or even a scarce development in my regard. My Mayank and Nupur lie peaceful and untouched in my memory, and they ended the day they confessed their love to each other. My love for them ruled my love for the rest, so intrinsically Gunjan could never get her share of the happy ending in my head. But I have loved Samrat and Gunjan greatly in my head, even though much later than I normally would have. My thoughts about them have been changing, but an empathetic demeanor regarding Gunjan, the friend and lover about me never tapers. Matter of fact is, I expect to read and watch good fiction, be a good critique and also, learn to live with the fact that a lot of my major traits are with me because I have been into or am into reading and watching things and people who don't exist.

I do understand myself too, that I take things too seriously. So many times I have had to suspend my feelings and remind myself that these people are acting out a part, that they are not hurting like Gunjan or Mayank, and right this moment are quite comfortably sitting somewhere with their feet up, laughing themselves silly.


I believe everything a wastage of time beyond praising an actor for their acting ability. I have never been interested in Sanaya and Mohit's blog nor have I shown slightest of inclination in just assuming that the actors who played Mayank and Nupur are a thing. I don't care and it is not my job to care. Hence, I am not questionable when hating and loving them arises. However, as my two cents wind, my point remains the same, hatred marks obsession and there might be many forms of disguised love and affection, but the truest of all is not warm, not obsessive, not unreasonable and certainly not delusional (yes, I dun think there is any ArTi) but powerful. And that is why, I can always be close to Gunjan but never to Sanaya.

As you say obsession. They did their jobs as we do ours. Though your way is undoubtedly safe, saner and of more substance, I can not help be enamoured a little by the actors that brought such wonderful characterizations to life, that fusion of flesh and ink. I wish them well because they brought me much merriment and what is the worth of one moment of happiness? I am not trying to persuade you to my way, for it is tumultuous indeed, I laugh at myself every time I write on their blogs. Rather I would defend myself to you BECAUSE specifically with you, I would like to have some footing, even if crumbling.

For me it is about the underdog. In this industry it is about contacts and connections, talent comes somewhere down the line. Even in America it is the same, I see so much talent wasted whereas mediocrity runs rampant. That is why when people of worth are given a chance it makes me feel just stupendous! For instance recently with Ranveer in BBB. Despite not being a fan of YRF productions, just for the fact that they gave him a chance, based upon his excellent acting skills, I hold them in the highest esteem.

I wish so much success for Ranveer BUT then I fear for him too having that lack of connections. Then after a while I laugh at myself, shake my head and continue to fix my own life as well as helping the truly needy. However just one portion of my week, just one moment or one prayer, I still wish Ranveer well.

Even though you won't agree, I hope you understand me a little better. 😳 With love, Sabah

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Zeejay, It means so much that you read my musings, let alone replied to them. Dil se thanks.. 🤗

It's always a pleasure Sabah :)

I think it takes more courage to stand near me, by pressing like or even posting. 😳😆
I don't think by voicing my opinions in ur thread i have put myself in any kind of trouble 😆 My friends understand me, and eventhough they don't agree with me, they respect my opinion, it's time like these when i feel blessed to have them in my life. And at the end, my friends are all that matter.

She is one of those four, that I mentioned to you before, that group of people in my life that I depend upon. She never becomes intoxicated by the fragrance of my flowery words and always seeks to question the substance at their stems.

After reading her views, I realized that people do have rights, that I can not ignore. For instance though I would beg people towards forgiveness there is a need for justice too. I can not annex rights of people without oppression and causing a type of suffocation.

True Sabah, See we all learn and gather from each other. I agree with your friend, your voice and opinion stand firm and so you did your part by making this post, the response it gets is other's opinion. Also things that are asked for after persuasion don't hold the same value when given on free will wholeheartedly.

This is my point, why do people seek affirmation of their convictions. If I think that Mohit is a good actor, deserves opportunities why should my conviction falter if I find no other to support it? I should have faith in my own feelings, and strive towards doing something about them NOT seek to prove their validity to others, others who even if convinced could do little to help the situation anyway.

It is this need to prove that others are weak or nothing when compared to their own beloved that irks me a little. I mean I don't want to sound like a whiny baby [too late] but sometimes I just need to say things once, just once, whether people heed at least I tried AND then again, I say these things because maybe I am missing something that debate may enlighten me, like with my friend, like with you. 😳

@Red- Completely agree! Similarly if a person loves someone, why do they want others to like them too, why can't there be respect of opinion?

@Green- I feel the same. To prove one, people demean the other, i think it doesn't serve their purpose but is rather an insult to themselves and the one they love.
The very opening line of your post sums it up.

"I have never understood the premise of expressing one's love by way of hatred. I hate all else EXCEPT you! For me it is almost an insult, to be loved by such a hard heart. "

It's only natural to have an outlet for those thoughts which you want to say just once, and it is equally important to put forward that opinion in a good manner, which you did Sabah.

Even I am ashamed of my actions or rather lack of actions during that time, for which I am truly trying to make amends. 😳

You know Sabah, at times i think that people here are young, majority atleast. And these fights, bashings well these are something i imagine myself laugh about later in future, just like i would about loving Mohit so much 😆 People commit mistakes, I have. they change, i have and am sure all they will grow, i have and will continue to. Your post right now acts as a stepping stone for many including myself to reach that stage which you desire and seek.

yes, there is this air of scorn BUT in the words of Adam Ant, Ridicule is nothing to be afraid of.

I do understand that there are worthier causes. I mean if a millionaire's daughter needs a shoulder to cry on, I would hesitate in running over NOT because her hurt isn't valid BUT that I pass many homeless people on the way to her house that demand my attention before I am able to give it to her. However I recently made a decision, right or wrong I don't know as of yet, that out of those causes that I give my time to, 90 % of my time I give to those truly needy and 10% to those whom I love, or rather love to love.

Sometimes I do feel silly, commenting on Mohit's wall, telling him that I miss his smile BUT even if other's scoff at my silliness, INCLUDING Mohit, I did it with good intention, with all my heart. I just love to root for the underdog, it has always been my way. Maybe it is because I am an underdog myself, so that by helping others I think my own path will change.
It is all very selfish. It reminds me of that friends episode where Phoebe tries to do one selfless act, for when we do good for others we feel that happiness, that contentment in our soul and hence the act no longer remains selfless.

The world in its whole has various elements, the basic and most evident difference is that of the rich and the poor and it is asked as for the sake of humanity and brotherhood, for every individual to make sure that a brother/sister outside the four walls of their house isn't sleeping without food and shelter. But this world is made of different people, each with different priorities in Life, otherwise wouldn't this place be Just Perfect?
I am glad that you have taken your next step and aim to accomplish it. May God grant you success on this path.
@Pink- That initiates a lot of thought. At one point i agree, with everything we do, we are so selfish, we seek assurance, blessing, pleasure of the Almighty or something in return. But i am not sure if selfish is the right word here, because it is a negative term.
There is a selfish person and a selfless person. I don't think there is anything like the second term. Take for example, when i do an act of kindness e.g. helping the poor i don't seek aything from that person, but rather from the Almighty to accept my act as a good deed. I am pretty confused right now, i will think this through..

Zeejay, I understand you. Sorry for going off on tangents above. 😳 Any excuse to bring up Mohit.😆
L0L don't be sorry, am like that too i understand 😳

As I said, I understand you, and so I understand why people can not be supportive. It is like that fence where others have hammered nails into. Even if they say sorry and pull the nail out OR you forgive regardless and pull it out yourself, there remains a hole.

^^ you penned it perfectly :) Thank you Sabah for being so kind and understanding 🤗

Love
Zeejay :)
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Wonderful post di, ⭐️

OKay so coming your point, competitions and hatred and fights.

Firstly, i do not condemn obsessiveness and likeness for the actor itself, because no matter how practical you try to be, it is the actor which makes you LOVE the character, so it is very human to love the actor, as much as we love the character, and where there is love and attachment, there comes a sense and desire to protect.

So, all the fights and competitions we see are only due to that desire of fans to protect the image of their BELOVED celebrity.

Differences of opinion is HUMAN, we all so different people, and thus have different views on the same thing, but to allow someone to cling to their views, respecting their personal space is a virtue of brave people, with large hearts, esp when their opinions are totally opposite to you.

The only thing which needs to be understood is that just because YOU find him best DOESN'T MAKES him BEST!!.
He is best for you and ordinary for the other, just like someone else's best is ordinary for you.

Wonderful and enlightening discussion di!!
hoping it will bring some change!!

Love you. 🤗
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@Philosopher

Things have become more subjective to me in general than they'd ever been before and given my nature of extracting business out of whatever I do, I find it strangely amusing to yet read your thoughts about the same matter, in a different light, altogether. :)

I am less than half your age, and yet I'd have to say I've found your present mindset a predicament for as long as I had owned it. I was like too touchy about people I spent a considerable amount of time with too, and they were these actors who may have been having the times of their lives whilst I was, well messing around with my head an my hormone, all the same. My call is saner than yours, but not essentially what I'd buy best. I have this really agitating habit of relating myself with characters, and thus propelling myself into a heavy-duty analysis of the same, which continues. But guess, I have disciplined myself a wee bit so it does not disturb me like it did before. The world has more pressing issues, I have more pressing issues rather and I have realized and started to practice the institution of treating fiction as fiction is, I'd let it please me but not violate my confines of discipline and reality. The notion is simple and straight. However, I do catch up sophisticated conversations with actors sometimes, but sadly, they are more or less the big-banner-SBS-tamaasha to me, so well, I sternly maintain my head and praise what must be praised and avoid what I have been hooked with and I am quite sure I am making sense. 😆

MJHT is integrally a phase of my life, and not just fiction as I perceive it now. And I keep it in mind to watch it and let every other thought rest, enjoy the quality and smile as much and as hard as I can. Although, I laugh more than I receive a chance to smile, but yes, the reruns are a treat and do not really spare me enough time to muse about who is the best. :)



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